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[Behindyounow]

I dont care what gender the canon is, but they better be evil. Evil characters are never canon. Atleast the Exile is female in canon.

[Johnny Jaded]

Nhadalie wrote...

I'm seriously hoping they choose the HNF for the canon character instead. They always make the canon characters male. But I feel like the female one fits the canon better, since she's more involved with Alistair usually.

It's far more likely to be male and have Alistair marry Anora, leaving the Warden free to do his thang...but I seriously doubt BioWare will make a canon ending

Oh and KotOR2's canon was female exile, so canons aren't always male...just most of the time

Drasanil wrote...

Yea it does seem like Bioware is gearing up for the HMN to be their canon character, I just hope that if they  expand on the story in later games or in books, they put in nods to the  other origins and don't simply pretend they didn't exist.

David Gaider has already stated that any future games will have nothing to do with Blights or darkspawn, so there probably won't be any need to make any mention save something basic along the lines of "the Warden that ended the fifth Blight". Having said that, given that no matter what origin you play in DA:O, all the others happen and are referenced, I can't see any reason why they would pretend none of them existed

Modifié par Johnny Jaded, 06 mars 2010 - 07:42 .

[Cuthlan]

Behindyounow wrote...

I dont care what gender the canon is, but they better be evil. Evil characters are never canon. Atleast the Exile is female in canon.

Evil is boring.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Cuthlan wrote...
Evil is boring.

Are you saying you would rather help an old lady across the street, than steal candy from a baby?

[Nhadalie]

Eli-da-Mage wrote...

Nhadalie wrote...

I'm seriously hoping they choose the HNF for the canon character instead. They always make the canon characters male. But I feel like the female one fits the canon better, since she's more involved with Alistair usually.

They probably have the canon as male because Alistair can turn down the ritual but its your chice if a male sleeps with her or not.

I've never seen Alistair turn down the ritual with a HNF who is in a romance with him.

I just wish they'd do a female canon character for once. I think it'd be a lot more interesting. And quite frankly, I'm sick of male characters always being the canonical characters for the stories.(The Bhaalspawn from BG was canonically a male as well. And so have pretty much all the characters that these types of stories have been written about.)

[Behindyounow]

Cuthlan wrote...

Behindyounow wrote...

I dont care what gender the canon is, but they better be evil. Evil characters are never canon. Atleast the Exile is female in canon.

Evil is boring.

Being a self righteous pansy is even more boring.

[Nhadalie]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Cuthlan wrote...
Evil is boring.

Are you saying you would rather help an old lady across the street, than steal candy from a baby?

No no. Cookies from a chubby kid in the last village. Or saving a cat from a tree for apples as rewards.

[Cuthlan]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Cuthlan wrote...
Evil is boring.

Are you saying you would rather help an old lady across the street, than steal candy from a baby?

Every day. And twice on Tuesdays.

[Cuthlan]

Behindyounow wrote...

Cuthlan wrote...

Behindyounow wrote...

I dont care what gender the canon is, but they better be evil. Evil characters are never canon. Atleast the Exile is female in canon.

Evil is boring.

Being a self righteous pansy is even more boring.

Being a decent person doesn't make you self righteous.

[errant_knight]

Nhadalie wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Cuthlan wrote...
Evil is boring.

Are you saying you would rather help an old lady across the street, than steal candy from a baby?

No no. Cookies from a chubby kid in the last village. Or saving a cat from a tree for apples as rewards.

Sten was helping that child, who clearly needed no more cookies.

[Behindyounow]

Self Righteousness is just in your face decency.

[Nhadalie]

And actually doing nice things doesn't make you a good guy necessarily. It's all a matter of perspective and motivation.



Like I have a Dalish elf who couldn't care less about most humans. But in particular, the Keeper cursing humans into werewolves bothers the hell out of her. Because he did it selfishly, without thinking how it might affect his clan. So she chooses to force him into ending the curse, even though she would never normally draw a weapon against one of her kind.



Motivations and actions are very complex and depend on the character/person. You can make anyone interesting if you delve deep enough.

[Nhadalie]

errant_knight wrote...

Nhadalie wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Cuthlan wrote...
Evil is boring.

Are you saying you would rather help an old lady across the street, than steal candy from a baby?

No no. Cookies from a chubby kid in the last village. Or saving a cat from a tree for apples as rewards.

Sten was helping that child, who clearly needed no more cookies.

Yes. He was also helping himself to his favorite confection, which he kindly gave to Carroll as a bribe.

I was waiting for someone to get my references. Makes me kinda sad not to see anyone poking at the latter one, since that's probably the funniest moment in NWN2.

[Ignus Burns]

What happened to the cannon? Take your off-topic chatter somewhere else.

I want this one: www.instablogsimages.com/images/2008/04/08/cannon_7548.jpg

[Osena109]

meh you can highjack this tread if you like i have got what i wanted out of it lol

[Ignus Burns]

You can't fool me. I know what this topic is about.

[Funny_chan]

Nhadalie wrote...

Eli-da-Mage wrote...

Nhadalie wrote...

I'm seriously hoping they choose the HNF for the canon character instead. They always make the canon characters male. But I feel like the female one fits the canon better, since she's more involved with Alistair usually.

They probably have the canon as male because Alistair can turn down the ritual but its your chice if a male sleeps with her or not.

I've never seen Alistair turn down the ritual with a HNF who is in a romance with him.

I just wish they'd do a female canon character for once. I think it'd be a lot more interesting. And quite frankly, I'm sick of male characters always being the canonical characters for the stories.(The Bhaalspawn from BG was canonically a male as well. And so have pretty much all the characters that these types of stories have been written about.)

I agree that the canon should be the HNF.
For instance, if you read that recent comic "The Revelation" illustrated by Aimo, even if you ignore the fact that the warden is referenced as a "she", you'll see that the situation kinda fits better with a female warden (specially one that romanced Alistair).
Actually, I'll even say that the canon would more likely be the one in wich the HNF marries Alistair.
The history of the game kinda compels you to choose Alistair as the King, and it also kinda forces the fact that he will not have a legitimate heir (a warden alone can hardly have a children, 2 wardens together have even less chances, Anora is also infertile). And we should have in mind that it also states several times that Alistair dislikes Anora and she "is also very much her father's daughter, and like her father she is
capable of setting morals aside to achieve the ends she desires", as described in the toolset - a fact that makes me wonder if she is indeed destined to be the canon Queen of Ferelden.
Having the HNF as the canon queen would not only nulify the possibility of a legitimate heir (wich seems to be the intended outcome), but it would also avoid Anora being Queen and make the Dark Ritual something unavoidable (both the PC and Alistair would have to be alive at the ending).

[Sylvius the Mad]

I'd like to see the canonical character be something entirely out of left field - like a Female Dwarf Noble, or a Male City Elf.

[Nhadalie]

Funny_chan wrote...

Nhadalie wrote...

Eli-da-Mage wrote...

Nhadalie wrote...

I'm seriously hoping they choose the HNF for the canon character instead. They always make the canon characters male. But I feel like the female one fits the canon better, since she's more involved with Alistair usually.

They probably have the canon as male because Alistair can turn down the ritual but its your chice if a male sleeps with her or not.

I've never seen Alistair turn down the ritual with a HNF who is in a romance with him.

I just wish they'd do a female canon character for once. I think it'd be a lot more interesting. And quite frankly, I'm sick of male characters always being the canonical characters for the stories.(The Bhaalspawn from BG was canonically a male as well. And so have pretty much all the characters that these types of stories have been written about.)

I agree that the canon should be the HNF.
For instance, if you read that recent comic "The Revelation" illustrated by Aimo, even if you ignore the fact that the warden is referenced as a "she", you'll see that the situation kinda fits better with a female warden (specially one that romanced Alistair).
Actually, I'll even say that the canon would more likely be the one in wich the HNF marries Alistair.
The history of the game kinda compels you to choose Alistair as the King, and it also kinda forces the fact that he will not have a legitimate heir (a warden alone can hardly have a children, 2 wardens together have even less chances, Anora is also infertile). And we should have in mind that it also states several times that Alistair dislikes Anora and she "is also very much her father's daughter, and like her father she is
capable of setting morals aside to achieve the ends she desires", as described in the toolset - a fact that makes me wonder if she is indeed destined to be the canon Queen of Ferelden.
Having the HNF as the canon queen would not only nulify the possibility of a legitimate heir (wich seems to be the intended outcome), but it would also avoid Anora being Queen and make the Dark Ritual something unavoidable (both the PC and Alistair would have to be alive at the ending).

Exactly. Thank you for showing all the reasons that I thought the HNF would be the best canonical character.


A HNF who marries Alistair and becomes princess-consort ties into the storyline the most neatly out of all the possible origins.

[Daerog]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

I'd like to see the canonical character be something entirely out of left field - like a Female Dwarf Noble, or a Male City Elf.

What would really be left field is if the Grey Warden you played never really existed. Alistair did everything in DA:O himself, including getting the group together and defeating the Archdemon.

[Nhadalie]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

I'd like to see the canonical character be something entirely out of left field - like a Female Dwarf Noble, or a Male City Elf.

What would really be left field is if the Grey Warden you played never really existed. Alistair did everything in DA:O himself, including getting the group together and defeating the Archdemon.

That's as likely as Alistair leading us to lunch.

"Meeee? Lead? No no no. Bad things happen when I lead."

[Cuthlan]

To me, a male fits better. All things are equal, so my being a male probably has something to do with it. There is as much value in the "buddy story" aspect the male can have with Alistair as their is with the love story of the female, in my opinion.



There are some things that definitely fit females more, though. Like the city elf origin. MUCH better when told from the female perspective.

[Revya]

...We already have a canon Warden he is in The Sacred Ashs Trailer.(I personally think he was an Arcane Warrior )