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[Cuthlan]

Revya wrote...

...We already have a canon Warden he is in The Sacred Ashs Trailer.(I personally think he was an Arcane Warrior )

Why, because of all of the spells he uses in the trailer?

[Vaeliorin]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...
I'd like to see the canonical character be something entirely out of left field - like a Female Dwarf Noble, or a Male City Elf.

I'd like Female Dwarf Commoner.  Honestly, between the origin itself and it's effects on the rest of the game, dwarf commoner is definitely my favorite origin.

[Revya]

Cuthlan wrote...

Revya wrote...

...We already have a canon Warden he is in The Sacred Ashs Trailer.(I personally think he was an Arcane Warrior )

Why, because of all of the spells he uses in the trailer?

No, because I WANT him to be one

[Drasanil]

Johnny Jaded wrote...
Having said that, given that no matter what origin you play in DA:O, all the others happen and are referenced, I can't see any reason why they would pretend none of them existed

True but in pretty much all those cases it's assumed the person in question died, and that none of the origin specific boons will come into play, which kind of sucks for the whole bunch of people that have played -or prefer- an origin that is not HN of some gender.

I'm hoping the promotional poster characters from before launch are actually all canon that way every one gets at least a little lovin'.

[Ceridraen]

I thought the human origin was the weakest, other than the emotional angle of 'wiped out family.' When I got mine through, it just felt 'eh' to me. Big deal. The 2nd most important family now has the hero who saved the land, & now tells the king what to do, after he smacks around his weedy nemesis. The City Elf & Commoner Dwarf stories were much, much better. Even the Dalish, as untouched as they are, seem more touching, in that saving a world they're not accepted in, nor do they belong to, seems more heroic. I remade my human warrior as an elf - when he tells the kids the 'hero elf' story, it meant something, & it meant something when he kills the archdemon. With my human warrior, it was just 'ya? So?'

[Osena109]

well i liked thr Human nobel origin and i am playing dwarf commoner right now i felt that the human noble story was the best cos it had such deep Ties to main events in the game Howe was power hungery and hade Logian eating out of the plam of his hand

[Funny_chan]

Ceridraen wrote...

I thought the human origin was the weakest, other than the emotional angle of 'wiped out family.' When I got mine through, it just felt 'eh' to me. Big deal. The 2nd most important family now has the hero who saved the land, & now tells the king what to do, after he smacks around his weedy nemesis. The City Elf & Commoner Dwarf stories were much, much better. Even the Dalish, as untouched as they are, seem more touching, in that saving a world they're not accepted in, nor do they belong to, seems more heroic. I remade my human warrior as an elf - when he tells the kids the 'hero elf' story, it meant something, & it meant something when he kills the archdemon. With my human warrior, it was just 'ya? So?'

We are not trying to say that the human origin is the best one, but just that it is the one "fits more" with the rest of the history, as Osena 109 said it has "deep ties" to the main events.

[Cuthlan]

Funny_chan wrote...

Ceridraen wrote...

I thought the human origin was the weakest, other than the emotional angle of 'wiped out family.' When I got mine through, it just felt 'eh' to me. Big deal. The 2nd most important family now has the hero who saved the land, & now tells the king what to do, after he smacks around his weedy nemesis. The City Elf & Commoner Dwarf stories were much, much better. Even the Dalish, as untouched as they are, seem more touching, in that saving a world they're not accepted in, nor do they belong to, seems more heroic. I remade my human warrior as an elf - when he tells the kids the 'hero elf' story, it meant something, & it meant something when he kills the archdemon. With my human warrior, it was just 'ya? So?'

We are not trying to say that the human origin is the best one, but just that it is the one "fits more" with the rest of the history, as Osena 109 said it has "deep ties" to the main events.

I'll say it! The Human Noble origin is the best.

(imo, obviously).

[Nhadalie]

I think we can all agree that most, if not all of the origins are amazing. And that we all love the game, yes?



The Human noble one seems to be the most interconnected story wise however. All of the higher up NPCs know who you are, and knew your family. Even Anora knew your family. They're more tied into the storyline. Whereas other origin characters are just going along with everything to end the blight. The HN is personally tied into everything, which makes it the most canonical PC.

[Nhadalie]

Accidental double post. Sigh. <_<

Modifié par Nhadalie, 07 mars 2010 - 05:07 .

[Wowlock]

If Morrigan will play a big part in the future stories then HNM fits better because Alistair potencially the king even marry Anora. That leaves HNM took his revenge and now helping Grey Wardens and maybe even look for Morrigan. We cannot know that for sure though. Maybe Awakening give us more clues about it but male fits better.



My complain is that if you are a Dwarf Noble, you cannot have the chance to be the King or Queen. There is only Harrowmount or Bhelen. Thats kinda sucks. We need some dwarf love too

[CybAnt1]

Wait, you mean Human Nobles are supposed to get a cannon as part of their origin? KABOOM! Archdemon down in 2 hits!



I thought only Qunari had cannons ...



Oh wait, nevermind.

[Abyss Vixen]

Sten lent you the cannon he was keeping in his pants for such a special occasion as a Archdemon attack, why else you think he was prying for battle tactics?

[Sable Rhapsody]

Abyss Vixen wrote...

Sten lent you the cannon he was keeping in his pants for such a special occasion as a Archdemon attack, why else you think he was prying for battle tactics?

I'm Sable Rhapsody, and this is my favorite comment in this thread 

"Cannon," *snerkle*.  But seriously, just because a character is used in the ads doesn't make it canon.  God, if Sheploo and his creepy-ass smile were canon...*shudders*  Only two games of BioWare's contain canonization--Revan's gender and backstory thanks to LucasArts <_<, and the Bhaalspawn thanks to the adaptation novels of EPIC PHAIL and Wizards' own rules when it comes to Forgotten Realms canon 

[bukittyan]

I'm going to agree with the HN probably being the most likely candidate for canon. I was speaking with a friend the other day, and the Grey Wardens are mostly interested in saving humans from the Darkspawn; not dwarves, not elves, but humans. If they were interested in saving the entire world and all races, they'd be down in Orzammar with the Dead Caste. And the Dark Ritual would be more interesting as a female if she was romancing Alistair.



But, I like all the origin stories. And I'm biased 'cause I like the Dalish.

[Deception_2112]

You would assume so, just as you would assume its a male warden, and he takes the dark ritual with Morrigan as the ending. It'll be interesting to see how BioWare takes this story from here, when/if they do a direct sequel for this Warden.

[shedevil3001]

i have to agree as well hn is the best origin for me personaly though it would be fhn as all my main characters are female i found it quite difficult to play as a male but if the option was for male or female then it would be better as it would keep most happy as for the morrigan thing i'm not so sure about that as in 1 of my main play throughs i never did the ritual so there'd be no child

[Noir201]

HN story line is more griping imo, mostly due to the fact of Arl Howe role in things, city elf is really good also, i play 100% of the time as female chars, and in the case of city elf origin, has more impact when you see the person you was about to marry killed infront of you.

[RangerSG]

Osena109 wrote...

If you think about it it is more cannon due to the fact Arl Howl killed your family and was the master mind behide loghian bid for power 

so what do you all think?

Do you mean the Qunari loaded Arl Howe into their guns during an attack on the Tevinter Imperium? That might be possible.

If you mean canon, as an official version of events, then until DA2 at least, there is no canon.

I have to admit, the sight of Arl Howe being shot from a cannon ala the Chicken in "Hot Shots Part Deux" is amusing though.

Modifié par RangerSG, 08 mars 2010 - 01:53 .

[shedevil3001]

yeah i thought that bit was so sad i was like omg no they killed neleros i said i'm going to enjoy killing you and then it was attack i actually felt happy to kill them for killing poor neleros too

[ninfan1]

My issue with the Human noble origin, and it's a truly minor issue, is that one person's "cohesion" is another person's lack of personality. The story seems too planned out in front of you. Another poster commented on how the events carried more impact playing as the Dalish origin because in most cases you were assisting people who would probably strip you of your weapons and spit on you, given the chance. In the best of situations you're Joe Louis vs. Max Shmeling, people are only cheering for you because it's marginally better than cheering for the ****.

There aren't a lot of times where the pursuit of vengeance (as the human noble) takes you on the darker path. The same is true for the Dwarf Noble. It would be interesting if, for instance, Harrowmont refused to aid the wardens, and thus putting Bhelen on the throne serves the greater good, even at the cost of supporting the brother that killed your other brother and blamed the murder on you.

Ultimately it just feels to me that with both of the noble stories, the personal saga is so closely tied to fighting the blight that you get everything given to you(like a noble is used to?) and that to truly appreciate hard choices, you're far better off with the dwarf commoner/city elf origin.

All of that said, it still probably makes the best candidate for canon for the same reasons that make it less interesting.

Modifié par ninfan1, 08 mars 2010 - 03:59 .

[Osena109]

Noir201 wrote...

HN story line is more griping imo, mostly due to the fact of Arl Howe role in things, city elf is really good also, i play 100% of the time as female chars, and in the case of city elf origin, has more impact when you see the person you was about to marry killed infront of you.

I got the feeling the City Elf did not want to get married in the frist place

[Osena109]

ninfan1 wrote...

My issue with the Human noble origin, and it's a truly minor issue, is that one person's "cohesion" is another person's lack of personality. The story seems too planned out in front of you. Another poster commented on how the events carried more impact playing as the Dalish origin because in most cases you were assisting people who would probably strip you of your weapons and spit on you, given the chance. In the best of situations you're Joe Louis vs. Max Shmeling, people are only cheering for you because it's marginally better than cheering for the ****.

There aren't a lot of times where the pursuit of vengeance (as the human noble) takes you on the darker path. The same is true for the Dwarf Noble. It would be interesting if, for instance, Harrowmont refused to aid the wardens, and thus putting Bhelen on the throne serves the greater good, even at the cost of supporting the brother that killed your other brother and blamed the murder on you.

Ultimately it just feels to me that with both of the noble stories, the personal saga is so closely tied to fighting the blight that you get everything given to you(like a noble is used to?) and that to truly appreciate hard choices, you're far better off with the dwarf commoner/city elf origin.

All of that said, it still probably makes the best candidate for canon for the same reasons that make it less itneresting.

MY HN hade nothing handed to him i hade to gian  the respect of those races just as every other race hade to

[Cuthlan]

Noir201 wrote...

HN story line is more griping imo, mostly due to the fact of Arl Howe role in things, city elf is really good also, i play 100% of the time as female chars, and in the case of city elf origin, has more impact when you see the person you was about to marry killed infront of you.

The city elf origin is much better from the female side. You see the person you were going to marry killed infront of you yes, but even larger for me was that you have to fight your way out in fear of rape and death.
 
From the male side, you get ****slapped like a punk and then break in to save the life of the fiance you hadn't met before that day.

[ninfan1]

Osena109 wrote...

ninfan1 wrote...

My issue with the Human noble origin, and it's a truly minor issue, is that one person's "cohesion" is another person's lack of personality. The story seems too planned out in front of you. Another poster commented on how the events carried more impact playing as the Dalish origin because in most cases you were assisting people who would probably strip you of your weapons and spit on you, given the chance. In the best of situations you're Joe Louis vs. Max Shmeling, people are only cheering for you because it's marginally better than cheering for the ****.

There aren't a lot of times where the pursuit of vengeance (as the human noble) takes you on the darker path. The same is true for the Dwarf Noble. It would be interesting if, for instance, Harrowmont refused to aid the wardens, and thus putting Bhelen on the throne serves the greater good, even at the cost of supporting the brother that killed your other brother and blamed the murder on you.

Ultimately it just feels to me that with both of the noble stories, the personal saga is so closely tied to fighting the blight that you get everything given to you(like a noble is used to?) and that to truly appreciate hard choices, you're far better off with the dwarf commoner/city elf origin.

All of that said, it still probably makes the best candidate for canon for the same reasons that make it less itneresting.

MY HN hade nothing handed to him i hade to gian  the respect of those races just as every other race hade to

I was speaking more in terms of story.  You're not subjected to the same difficult choices regarding personal motivations vs. the blight.  You can get your revenge and still come out looking like the greatest hero to ever walk the earth.  The key choices are still there, but they're there for everyone, there aren't the same layers of subtext motivating you to take the "Evil" choice, or making the "Good" choice the more emotionally difficult.  For a casteless dwarf, putting harrowmont on the throne means all but condemning your sister to a life of slavery.  For a Dalish elf, siding with witherfang means putting Humans above your own kind, and losing a keeper with a great deal of otherwise lost knowledge about your people.  Mages have a difficult choice at the circle (I would have loved to see an option to kill the Templars...).  for me, personally, the noble origins both allow you to have your cake and eat it too.