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[Revya]

Mages seem to have the least connections to the overall plot...guess you trade in story, so you can be a minor diety XD

[Funny_chan]

I know what I'm going to say is only a rumour, but another reason why I find the HNF the most likely candidate for canon is the possibility that Alistair and Morrigan are brother and sister. So, if he made the Dark Ritual it would be a parallel to King Arthur and Morrigana.

Modifié par Funny_chan, 08 mars 2010 - 07:51 .

[Osena109]

ninfan1 wrote...

Osena109 wrote...

ninfan1 wrote...

My issue with the Human noble origin, and it's a truly minor issue, is that one person's "cohesion" is another person's lack of personality. The story seems too planned out in front of you. Another poster commented on how the events carried more impact playing as the Dalish origin because in most cases you were assisting people who would probably strip you of your weapons and spit on you, given the chance. In the best of situations you're Joe Louis vs. Max Shmeling, people are only cheering for you because it's marginally better than cheering for the ****.

There aren't a lot of times where the pursuit of vengeance (as the human noble) takes you on the darker path. The same is true for the Dwarf Noble. It would be interesting if, for instance, Harrowmont refused to aid the wardens, and thus putting Bhelen on the throne serves the greater good, even at the cost of supporting the brother that killed your other brother and blamed the murder on you.

Ultimately it just feels to me that with both of the noble stories, the personal saga is so closely tied to fighting the blight that you get everything given to you(like a noble is used to?) and that to truly appreciate hard choices, you're far better off with the dwarf commoner/city elf origin.

All of that said, it still probably makes the best candidate for canon for the same reasons that make it less itneresting.

MY HN hade nothing handed to him i hade to gian  the respect of those races just as every other race hade to

I was speaking more in terms of story.  You're not subjected to the same difficult choices regarding personal motivations vs. the blight.  You can get your revenge and still come out looking like the greatest hero to ever walk the earth.  The key choices are still there, but they're there for everyone, there aren't the same layers of subtext motivating you to take the "Evil" choice, or making the "Good" choice the more emotionally difficult.  For a casteless dwarf, putting harrowmont on the throne means all but condemning your sister to a life of slavery.  For a Dalish elf, siding with witherfang means putting Humans above your own kind, and losing a keeper with a great deal of otherwise lost knowledge about your people.  Mages have a difficult choice at the circle (I would have loved to see an option to kill the Templars...).  for me, personally, the noble origins both allow you to have your cake and eat it too.

well (zatharien?)AKA tim russ voyagers tuvok was a complate nutt job driven made by his anger raceist hatered of humans  he is better off dead in my books his apprentice  makes better keaper  and Harramount  is useless king he dos not help his people he drives them away form  modren socity (Bahlen?)  as ruthless as he is makes better leader his grants the castless more rights heck he even married rica on my dwarf commoner ( i have nothing for the mages i can't get in to playing them lol)

[Funny_chan]

Eli-da-Mage wrote...

Funny_chan wrote...

I know what I'm going to say is only a rumour, but another reason why I find the HNF the most likely candidate for canon is the possibility that Alistair and Morrigan are brother and sister. So, if he made the Dark Ritual it would be a parallel to King Arthur and Morrigana.

WTF?

Have you read the books? I don't wanna spoil anyone, but...

[MColes]

Uhm.. No. Morrigan is not Alistair's sister. And yes, -I- have the books, you're simply not reading properly.



Also, cinematic trailers have a Human Noble Male, sword/board warrior as the main character.



Also on the flip side, Howe kills the couslands in every origin, whether you're a Cousland or not. If you are, one of them escapes, if not, they all die as Duncan isn't there to help.

[Funny_chan]

MColes wrote...

Uhm.. No. Morrigan is not Alistair's sister. And yes, -I- have the books, you're simply not reading properly.

Also, cinematic trailers have a Human Noble Male, sword/board warrior as the main character.

Also on the flip side, Howe kills the couslands in every origin, whether you're a Cousland or not. If you are, one of them escapes, if not, they all die as Duncan isn't there to help.

I said it was a possibility. I never said that she was, for sure, his sister. Anyway, I believe you can't deny the possibility either.

Modifié par Funny_chan, 08 mars 2010 - 07:50 .

[MColes]

That's like saying because you never see Luke and Leia do it on screen, they could have.

[Funny_chan]

MColes wrote...

That's like saying because you never see Luke and Leia do it on screen, they could have.

As I said in my first post in this page, I'm completely aware that this is only a rumour. That's the reason that I didn't include it on the list I did of the main reasons for that "the HNF is the closest to canon", IMHO, of course.
However, I quoted this possibility anyway because if (and this is a big if) this rumour turns out to be true it would indeed be another reason.
BTW, I think this is kinda different to the Luke/Leia situation, but I believe everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

[ankuu]

They can't be brother and sister since Maric was rather young back then, and Morrigan should have been even older that Cailan. And she doesn't look like it. Also, doing sex doesn't take HOURS mostly if you wanna hide it.

[MColes]

Well I didn't mean literally. But implying something happened off screen (Or rather off-page) without any actual proof on the pages, nothing to even imply they did it.

[Default137]

HN has the connection to Howe.

CE has the connection to the Alienage/Loghain

DN has the connection to Bhelen, Gorim, and Loghain.

DC has the connection to Bhelen

Dalish and Mage have no real connection, since nobody comments on you being Dalish, and only Jowan seems to recognize you as a Mage. ( IRVING SAYS NOTHING, WHY DOES HE SAY NOTHING )

HN fits the storyline a bit better, but really, any story can be canon, from the DN to the CE, as they all have their specific things that fit them in to the overall story fairly well, especially since all of the stories sans Mage/Dalish are actually mentioned again later in the game as actually having happened, but Duncan wasn't there to save the person. ( The CE took Vaughns offer and was killed by the guard, the Cousland didn't make it out of Highever, the DC was killed, the DN was killed in the Deep Roads.... )

Really, it makes the most sense to be a DN or DC if you want to get technical, Duncan has no reason to be at Highever other then an attempt to find a recruit that he knew he wouldn't be able to get, same with the CE, he wouldn't have conscripted a newlywed, however with the Dwarves, it makes perfect sense for the Gray Wardens to be at Orzammar helping during the push against the Blight in the hopes they'd send some forces back with the Wardens to Ostagar.

Modifié par Default137, 08 mars 2010 - 09:36 .

[Alikain]

Revya wrote...

Mages seem to have the least connections to the overall plot...guess you trade in story, so you can be a minor diety XD

That true. when i played the mage origin, i was hoping to at last find some connection to your past but nothing. it like you never had a family. it would have been nice to meet a friend of your parent or something to really connect you to the world. like wynne said to alistair baby don't come frome the fade, it kind of feels like it i mean for mages.

[macrocarl]

Funny_chan wrote...

MColes wrote...

Uhm.. No. Morrigan is not Alistair's sister. And yes, -I- have the books, you're simply not reading properly.

Also, cinematic trailers have a Human Noble Male, sword/board warrior as the main character.

Also on the flip side, Howe kills the couslands in every origin, whether you're a Cousland or not. If you are, one of them escapes, if not, they all die as Duncan isn't there to help.

I said it was a possibility. I never said that she was, for sure, his sister. Anyway, I believe you can't deny the possibility either.

Morrigan of Arthurian legend comes from The Morrigan, from Celtic mythology, which is a shape shifting evil goddess that eventually becomes friends with Cu Chulainn. Anyway, obviously Bioware is pulling from that area of Mythology but the previous incarnation of Morrigan better fits the template for DA:O's than the Arthurian one. Just an observation.

[Ariella]

macrocarl wrote...

Funny_chan wrote...

MColes wrote...

Uhm.. No. Morrigan is not Alistair's sister. And yes, -I- have the books, you're simply not reading properly.

Also, cinematic trailers have a Human Noble Male, sword/board warrior as the main character.

Also on the flip side, Howe kills the couslands in every origin, whether you're a Cousland or not. If you are, one of them escapes, if not, they all die as Duncan isn't there to help.

I said it was a possibility. I never said that she was, for sure, his sister. Anyway, I believe you can't deny the possibility either.

Morrigan of Arthurian legend comes from The Morrigan, from Celtic mythology, which is a shape shifting evil goddess that eventually becomes friends with Cu Chulainn. Anyway, obviously Bioware is pulling from that area of Mythology but the previous incarnation of Morrigan better fits the template for DA:O's than the Arthurian one. Just an observation.

Uhm... I remember Dave Gaider saying something about Morrigan being the name of a friend's RPG character and that's why he used it...

I also remember there being something about that there's no "canon" Warden as much as there is an Iconic Warden (ie the one they use for promotional purposes).

[Revya]

Ariella wrote...

macrocarl wrote...

Funny_chan wrote...

MColes wrote...

Uhm.. No. Morrigan is not Alistair's sister. And yes, -I- have the books, you're simply not reading properly.

Also, cinematic trailers have a Human Noble Male, sword/board warrior as the main character.

Also on the flip side, Howe kills the couslands in every origin, whether you're a Cousland or not. If you are, one of them escapes, if not, they all die as Duncan isn't there to help.

I said it was a possibility. I never said that she was, for sure, his sister. Anyway, I believe you can't deny the possibility either.

Morrigan of Arthurian legend comes from The Morrigan, from Celtic mythology, which is a shape shifting evil goddess that eventually becomes friends with Cu Chulainn. Anyway, obviously Bioware is pulling from that area of Mythology but the previous incarnation of Morrigan better fits the template for DA:O's than the Arthurian one. Just an observation.

Uhm... I remember Dave Gaider saying something about Morrigan being the name of a friend's RPG character and that's why he used it...

I also remember there being something about that there's no "canon" Warden as much as there is an Iconic Warden (ie the one they use for promotional purposes).

By the way has any one been able to make the trailor Warden yet?

[Invalidcode]

There should be no canon PC, all six origins' events were supposed to happen at a very close period of time, you pick one origin, you can still see/heard/know other origins' fate (for example both Dwarf events happened back to back in two days). Ducan only saved one of 'us'.

[sleepwatcherrpsg]

Nhadalie wrote...

I'm seriously hoping they choose the HNF for the canon character instead. They always make the canon characters male. But I feel like the female one fits the canon better, since she's more involved with Alistair usually.

I agree HNF plays best. Currently my HNF is a DW rogue decked in warden commander armor, I Personally had allistar have a bastard child with Morrigan (that lucky bastard) and became queen with both of us surviving the end. Alister also got a three some with HNF and the duelist at the pearl. ( Damn you alister you lucky bastard) . I can't wait to continue as the queen of ferelden

[sleepwatcherrpsg]

as per origion stories some were much better than others.



HNF or HNM is a perfect canon fit



Dwarf Noble I really enjoyed because of the dwaren politics and the felling of royalty. I actually never spoke to anyone less than me I. " Gorim is this that address me as If I would speak to them"



The mage is okay? I just wished I could recruit Jowan



Dwarf commoner- sucked IMO



Dalish is by far the worst one which is a shame



city Elf was the first one I ever did which was shocking at first I liked that one

[Fishy]

Has for the other origins . The most tragic one   . When you're into Jarvia hideout the dwarf that could be you his dead on the other cell.

It's sadden me each time ..Especialy after playing the dwarf commoner.Imo it's the most sad and original origins.

[Fishy]

sleepwatcherrpsg wrote...

as per origion stories some were much better than others.

HNF or HNM is a perfect canon fit

Dwarf Noble I really enjoyed because of the dwaren politics and the felling of royalty. I actually never spoke to anyone less than me I. " Gorim is this that address me as If I would speak to them"

The mage is okay? I just wished I could recruit Jowan

Dwarf commoner- sucked IMO

Dalish is by far the worst one which is a shame

city Elf was the first one I ever did which was shocking at first I liked that one

Shocking .. Because the best origin imo was the commoner one and the city elf sucked.The mage one was boring..The human noble was fine..The dalish elf one was boring and the dwarf noble was awesome.

I

[Elanareon]

macrocarl wrote...

Funny_chan wrote...

MColes wrote...

Uhm.. No. Morrigan is not Alistair's sister. And yes, -I- have the books, you're simply not reading properly.

Also, cinematic trailers have a Human Noble Male, sword/board warrior as the main character.

Also on the flip side, Howe kills the couslands in every origin, whether you're a Cousland or not. If you are, one of them escapes, if not, they all die as Duncan isn't there to help.

I said it was a possibility. I never said that she was, for sure, his sister. Anyway, I believe you can't deny the possibility either.

Morrigan of Arthurian legend comes from The Morrigan, from Celtic mythology, which is a shape shifting evil goddess that eventually becomes friends with Cu Chulainn. Anyway, obviously Bioware is pulling from that area of Mythology but the previous incarnation of Morrigan better fits the template for DA:O's than the Arthurian one. Just an observation.

Speaking of Arthurian legend, isn't the Chantry and Old Gods of the elves sounds like Christianity and Old religion from the Arthurian legend? Not that im complaining, i like that concept! lol

[Haasth]

I feel discriminated against as a Mage. Where is the Convention on the Elimination of all Forms of Discrimination against Mages?

[westiex9]

There is no canon, except YOUR canon folks, dragon age is the ultimate personal roleplaying game and i don't think there should be any one origin which is slated as "canon" because that doesnt do other people who chose differant origins any justice.



I really hope in future games choices and events are carried over into the codex in a reactive way (eg events of the fifth blight in the codex for dragon age 2 match player choices).



The human noble origin is my canonical playthrough and the one i feel most attached to, primarily because i felt the character had more to lose and because it was my first origin.

[DarthCaine]

There are no cannons in Dragon Age. They haven't been invented yet