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[Count Viceroy]

Dokarqt wrote...

Funny_chan wrote...
 and Anora
is also infertile),.

Where do you get this from? Its just
as likely that Cailan was shooting blanks.

It's only implied by Eamon, who is about as biased as one can be when it comes to the throne, hardly reliable

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 14 mars 2010 - 09:48 .

[Funny_chan]

Noir201 wrote...

I playing as a HNF at the minute, and found out something new, which was shocking, if you remember Iona and Dairren at castle highever, when first meeting with your HN mother, after the talk, you can go to the study, and speak with them, even strongly hinting about asking one of them to join for the night.

Then during the attack, you see who you been speanding the night with, killed right in front of you, i was shocked and it added to the feeling with the story, very few games do that.

I remember that. If you're a female warden Lady Landra tries her hardest to push Dairren into your arms. What I find weird is that if you're a male, Lady Landra herself is the one that is interested in you. 

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Funny_chan, I too have read that. Gave me alot of insight, also told me Al knew I was going to possibly bring it up. He already knew HNF was going to ask or discuss the ritual walking into his room, it was up to you what he did. Morrigan asking for that ritual was hard to swallow, honey that is my man, back off.

[Funny_chan]

Count Viceroy wrote...

Dokarqt wrote...

Funny_chan wrote...
 and Anora
is also infertile),.

Where do you get this from? Its just
as likely that Cailan was shooting blanks.

It's only implied by Eamon, who is about as biased as one can be when it comes to the throne, hardly reliable

I believe I found a paper stating that during the game, but perhaps I'm wrong.
Anyway, it doesn't change what I stated, in fact it only makes the theory more likely.

Edit: yes,  there is a codex entry you find in Ostagar that states that, and, as you said, is written by Eamon.

Modifié par Funny_chan, 14 mars 2010 - 10:09 .

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Dokarqt wrote...

Funny_chan wrote...
 and Anora is also infertile),.

Where do you get this from? Its just as likely that Cailan was shooting blanks.

I forget if it's party camp vendor, or Gnawed Noble Tavern guy when you ask what gossip they've heard.  This also comes up if you talk to Calian's guard in Ostagar at Calian's tent.  It's also gossip in Denerim that Loghain betrayed Calian because he was sleeping around on Anora, possibly because she was barren and a shrew.  Lothering barkeep also mentions this.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Funny_chan wrote...

Noir201 wrote...

I playing as a HNF at the minute, and found out something new, which was shocking, if you remember Iona and Dairren at castle highever, when first meeting with your HN mother, after the talk, you can go to the study, and speak with them, even strongly hinting about asking one of them to join for the night.

Then during the attack, you see who you been speanding the night with, killed right in front of you, i was shocked and it added to the feeling with the story, very few games do that.

I remember that. If you're a female warden Lady Landra tries her hardest to push Dairren into your arms. What I find weird is that if you're a male, Lady Landra herself is the one that is interested in you. 

Ok, gagging here, no way I'm a HNM and sleeping with that hag. 

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Funny_chan wrote...

Noir201 wrote...

I playing as a HNF at the minute, and found out something new, which was shocking, if you remember Iona and Dairren at castle highever, when first meeting with your HN mother, after the talk, you can go to the study, and speak with them, even strongly hinting about asking one of them to join for the night.

Then during the attack, you see who you been speanding the night with, killed right in front of you, i was shocked and it added to the feeling with the story, very few games do that.

I remember that. If you're a female warden Lady Landra tries her hardest to push Dairren into your arms. What I find weird is that if you're a male, Lady Landra herself is the one that is interested in you. 

Ok, gagging here, no way I'm a HNM and sleeping with that hag. 

Edit, sorry double post.

Modifié par ElvaliaRavenHart, 14 mars 2010 - 10:01 .

[Dokarqt]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

I forget if it's party camp vendor, or Gnawed Noble Tavern guy when you ask what gossip they've heard.  This also comes up if you talk to Calian's guard in Ostagar at Calian's tent.  It's also gossip in Denerim that Loghain betrayed Calian because he was sleeping around on Anora, possibly because she was barren and a shrew.  Lothering barkeep also mentions this.

Not all rumors are true,  some are simply assuming that anora was barren. Which is reasonable enough, Married for 5 years and anora not being pregnant can only mean 3 things:
1) Cailan and Anora were never having sex
2) Anora was barren
3) Cailan was shooting blanks

Now I agree that the first option seem very unlikely, but I dont see why option 3 is not just probable as option 2.

[Zabaniya]

I find Funny_chan's entry on the previous page valid, but then again, there's a counterpoint for HNM in every aspect, which leads back to perspective. Which is well done on Bioware's part.

Modifié par Zabaniya, 14 mars 2010 - 10:06 .

[Funny_chan]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

Funny_chan wrote...

Noir201 wrote...

I playing as a HNF at the minute, and found out something new, which was shocking, if you remember Iona and Dairren at castle highever, when first meeting with your HN mother, after the talk, you can go to the study, and speak with them, even strongly hinting about asking one of them to join for the night.

Then during the attack, you see who you been speanding the night with, killed right in front of you, i was shocked and it added to the feeling with the story, very few games do that.

I remember that. If you're a female warden Lady Landra tries her hardest to push Dairren into your arms. What I find weird is that if you're a male, Lady Landra herself is the one that is interested in you. 

Ok, gagging here, no way I'm a HNM and sleeping with that hag. 

LOL Actually thanks God you don't have the option to sleep with her. But she admits to be hitting on you.

[qalan]

Dokarqt wrote...

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

I forget if it's party camp vendor, or Gnawed Noble Tavern guy when you ask what gossip they've heard.  This also comes up if you talk to Calian's guard in Ostagar at Calian's tent.  It's also gossip in Denerim that Loghain betrayed Calian because he was sleeping around on Anora, possibly because she was barren and a shrew.  Lothering barkeep also mentions this.

Not all rumors are true,  some are simply assuming that anora was barren. Which is reasonable enough, Married for 5 years and anora not being pregnant can only mean 3 things:
1) Cailan and Anora were never having sex
2) Anora was barren
3) Cailan was shooting blanks

Now I agree that the first option seem very unlikely, but I dont see why option 3 is not just probable as option 2.

Option 4: They are incompatable.  There are plenty of instances where a couple has been unable to have children, they separate and both end up having children with their new spouses...

[Dokarqt]

qalan wrote...

Option 4: They are incompatable.  There are plenty of instances where a couple has been unable to have children, they separate and both end up having children with their new spouses...

Another interpretation of that situation would be that the man in the relationship was in fact shooting blanks and was simply cuckolded by his new cheating spouse.

Ergo, I win anyway!

[Funny_chan]

Either way, the point stands. Unless Anora is made queen alone and marries someone that is fertile (and assuming that Anora is also fertile) can Ferelden have a legitimate heir to the throne. Those are lots of  "ifs". I believe that the lack of a heir is a plot point that is intended to be brought up in the future.

[shedevil3001]

Dokarqt wrote...

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

I forget if it's party camp vendor, or Gnawed Noble Tavern guy when you ask what gossip they've heard.  This also comes up if you talk to Calian's guard in Ostagar at Calian's tent.  It's also gossip in Denerim that Loghain betrayed Calian because he was sleeping around on Anora, possibly because she was barren and a shrew.  Lothering barkeep also mentions this.

Not all rumors are true,  some are simply assuming that anora was barren. Which is reasonable enough, Married for 5 years and anora not being pregnant can only mean 3 things:
1) Cailan and Anora were never having sex
2) Anora was barren
3) Cailan was shooting blanks

Now I agree that the first option seem very unlikely, but I dont see why option 3 is not just probable as option 2.

its simple if you marry anora and alistair it says shes unable to produce an heir but mean as alistair impregnates morrigan during the ritual if your a female warden that means its anora with the defective parts so theres your answer

[Zabaniya]

Funny_chan wrote...

Either way, the point stands. Unless Anora is made queen alone and marries someone that is fertile (and assuming that Anora is also fertile) can Ferelden have a legitimate heir to the throne. Those are lots of  "ifs". I believe that the lack of a heir is a plot point that is intended to be brought up in the future.

Of course.  Just there to serve as a voice for the other side.  :happy:

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

True, the gossip maynot be true but that doesn't stop it from being spread; however, most gossip does have a ring of truth somewhere.

Funny-chan, thank the maker I don't have that option, no way I'd use it if I did. Don't give me a cut scene to see it either. Gagging here! hehehe!

Shedevil.  I knew there was something not right with Anora, her and Goldanna.

Modifié par ElvaliaRavenHart, 14 mars 2010 - 10:25 .

[Bratt1204]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

Dokarqt wrote...

Funny_chan wrote...
 and Anora is also infertile),.

Where do you get this from? Its just as likely that Cailan was shooting blanks.

I forget if it's party camp vendor, or Gnawed Noble Tavern guy when you ask what gossip they've heard.  This also comes up if you talk to Calian's guard in Ostagar at Calian's tent.  It's also gossip in Denerim that Loghain betrayed Calian because he was sleeping around on Anora, possibly because she was barren and a shrew.  Lothering barkeep also mentions this.

Very interesting. I need to trigger the 'gossip' dialogue a bit more, I've never heard this before. 

[Cuddlezarro]

anora possibly being barren is also brought up in Return to ostagar in a note from Arl Eamon

[qalan]

Dokarqt wrote...
Another interpretation of that situation would be that the man in the relationship was in fact shooting blanks and was simply cuckolded by his new cheating spouse.

Ergo, I win anyway!

Not at all.  One historical example of what I'm talking about is King Henry I of England who had 2 children by his first wife and 20+ children from various mistressess.  There's no way he was 'shooting blanks'.  After his only legitimate son from his first marriage died, he re-married and in 14 years of marriage had no children at all with his 2nd wife.  Yet after he died, his 2nd wife re-married and had several children by her 2nd husband.  I personally know of at least 2 people who went through similar situations.  There's a lot about genetic incompatability we simply don't know and that goes even more so for Ferelden, where they've never even heard of Darwin! LOL

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

anora possibly being barren is also brought up in Return to ostagar in a note from Arl Eamon

Dang, I missed that note.

[Dokarqt]

qalan wrote...


Not at all.  One historical example of what I'm talking about is King Henry I of England who had 2 children by his first wife and 20+ children from various mistressess.  There's no way he was 'shooting blanks'.  After his only legitimate son from his first marriage died, he re-married and in 14 years of marriage had no children at all with his 2nd wife.  Yet after he died, his 2nd wife re-married and had several children by her 2nd husband.  I personally know of at least 2 people who went through similar situations.  There's a lot about genetic incompatability we simply don't know and that goes even more so for Ferelden, where they've never even heard of Darwin! LOL

Hey I believe you, what I wrote was mostly in jest^_^

[Nhadalie]

If you play as a HNM, in the conversation with your mother, Lady Landra says something along the lines of "You're too kind dear boy. Didn't I spend half the salon flirting with you?" And Dairren interjects something like "Right infront of your family too, mother." Later in the conversation, you get the idea that Iona is interested in you as well. It's pretty funny, I think. So is telling Fergus "No less than three, if you please." when he talks about you finding someone special eventually. His reaction is funnier if you're a HNM. He tells you that someday you'll meet a real woman, who you'll want something more than a roll in the hay with. As a HNF, Oriana tells you that such a thing could scandalize your house and to be careful.

The generic HNM is such a player. He's got Delilah, Lady Landra, AND Iona.


Even playing as a chastely uninterested HN makes you feel very connected to the Cousland family as a whole. My HNF plays with the possibility of marrying either Dairren or Thomas at the beginning of the origin. Being polite, and conveying slight interest without throwing herself at Dairren. Mostly because her mother wants her to marry, and have children as well.

[Dokarqt]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

anora possibly being barren is also brought up in Return to ostagar in a note from Arl Eamon

Again, this is only a rumour coming from a very biased person as another poster pointed out. Im not saying that theres no way anora is barren, that may very well be. Im simply saying that I dont understand why alot of people seem so eager to accept that as the only explanation.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Nhadalie wrote...

If you play as a HNM, in the conversation with your mother, Lady Landra says something along the lines of "You're too kind dear boy. Didn't I spend half the salon flirting with you?" And Dairren interjects something like "Right infront of your family too, mother." Later in the conversation, you get the idea that Iona is interested in you as well. It's pretty funny, I think. So is telling Fergus "No less than three, if you please." when he talks about you finding someone special eventually. His reaction is funnier if you're a HNM. He tells you that someday you'll meet a real woman, who you'll want something more than a roll in the hay with. As a HNF, Oriana tells you that such a thing could scandalize your house and to be careful.

The generic HNM is such a player. He's got Delilah, Lady Landra, AND Iona.


Even playing as a chastely uninterested HN makes you feel very connected to the Cousland family as a whole. My HNF plays with the possibility of marrying either Dairren or Thomas at the beginning of the origin. Being polite, and conveying slight interest without throwing herself at Dairren. Mostly because her mother wants her to marry, and have children as well.

Not only that, my son plays on the ps3 and during his HNM play he got Bella to kiss him in front of Morrigan and Lelianna, he won't tell me how he did that.  The nerve of that boy!

[LadyDamodred]

Funny_chan wrote...
- The game also makes practically canon the fact that Ferelden won't have a legitimate heir for it's throne in the near future (afterall it states that wardens are infertile and Anora is also infertile), and having a HNF as the queen would reduce even more the chances of having a legitimate heir (and thus secure what seems to be the authors original intent).

The game does not state that Wardens are infertile.  The game merely says it is difficult.  Wardens can, and do, have children.   I've seen people in all sorts of places saying that being a GW makes you barren/sterile even when that directly contradicts fact.  *points to The Calling*  The problem is whether or not two Grey Wardens can have children together.  I would contend that it would make it very hard to have children, yes, but not impossible. As my PC says to Alistair, it won't be for a lack of trying.    So anything's possible.

At this point, I wouldn't say it's the authors intent that the Theirin bloodline end here or that the only heir is Morrigan's kid.  But there's no way to know for certain.  We shall just have to wait and see.

And yes, my favorite playthrough is as the HNF.  I lub that character, and would be thrilled were it canon.