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[Nhadalie]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

Not only that, my son plays on the ps3 and during his HNM play he got Bella to kiss him in front of Morrigan and Lelianna, he won't tell me how he did that.  The nerve of that boy!

I've seen that on youtube before. Funny scene.


I only made a HNM to see how the origin was different from the female one. I doubt I'll actually play through it. I find playing male characters to be rather.. Awkward. Since I'm female.

[UKZenosis]

Imust admit, I have completed the HNF as a warrior a few times, and the mage once I think, I just can't get into the sotry with the other ones. maybe beacause I have playede the HNF so many times, must find out how to do that Threesome :S with Duelists and Allister?! but I am crazy!

[Emerald Melios]

shedevil3001 wrote...

all i meant is there are more male hero games out there than there is female hero games it would be nice for once if there was an option for both or if us women got some attention for a change but i get your meaning maybe an option for male or female would make most happy :}

That's part of the reason why I create female characters; there's already so many male protagonists, why not go for something diffderent? The fact that Dragon Age allows them to be lesbians/bisexual makes things even more interesting.....

[Urazz]

Nhadalie wrote...

I agree. If a book were ever to be written about this, the HN would probably be the main character. Possibly even a HNF, since she ties into the main storyline a bit better. What with marrying Alistair and all.

I like all of the origins as well, and they all tie into the plotlines well. But the HN is the most tightly knit into the storyline I feel.

Technically the correct word is canon. Not cannon, which is a heavy artillery weapon used in pirate ship battles and sieges.

How does the HNF marrying Alistair tie into the story better?  We can use that logic for the HNM getting together with Morrigan and giving her the godbaby ties in better as well.  The point is that the story will move along fine if you don't have any romance with any of the main characters.

I do agree though that the HN origin does feel the most tightly knit into the main storyline.  The others are tied into various allies you recruit or are part of a sub plot.

[Nhadalie]

Urazz wrote...

Nhadalie wrote...

I agree. If a book were ever to be written about this, the HN would probably be the main character. Possibly even a HNF, since she ties into the main storyline a bit better. What with marrying Alistair and all.

I like all of the origins as well, and they all tie into the plotlines well. But the HN is the most tightly knit into the storyline I feel.

Technically the correct word is canon. Not cannon, which is a heavy artillery weapon used in pirate ship battles and sieges.

How does the HNF marrying Alistair tie into the story better?  We can use that logic for the HNM getting together with Morrigan and giving her the godbaby ties in better as well.  The point is that the story will move along fine if you don't have any romance with any of the main characters.

I do agree though that the HN origin does feel the most tightly knit into the main storyline.  The others are tied into various allies you recruit or are part of a sub plot.

Partially because being involved with Alistair, and both of you surviving means convincing him to sleep with Morrigan. Which is a very dramatic moment all together. Especially if the HNF is friends with Morrigan too. There's a comic strip made by David Gaider and Aimo about it that shows the situation very well.

It has a stronger effect than the whole "You need to sleep with someone you may or may not be in love with to survive the battle with the archdemon." Instead it's something along the lines of you needing to trust someone you feel is a friend, by letting them do things with someone you love despite it hurting you massively. Morrigan's motivations in that situation are especially complex as well. If she feels the character is her friend, she wishes to save them from dying, even if it means taking a huge risk and possibly setting herself into a situation that she has no idea how to deal with. Really, Morrigan as a mother? She doesn't know how to deal with children at all. The dark ritual is quite possibly either the most selfless act that Morrigan has ever done, or the most selfish one. It depends on her relationship with the PC and if her personal quest was done or not.

[alexa_025]

Nhadalie wrote...

Partially because being involved with Alistair, and both of you surviving means convincing him to sleep with Morrigan. Which is a very dramatic moment all together. Especially if the HNF is friends with Morrigan too. There's a comic strip made by David Gaider and Aimo about it that shows the situation very well.

It has a stronger effect than the whole "You need to sleep with someone you may or may not be in love with to survive the battle with the archdemon." Instead it's something along the lines of you needing to trust someone you feel is a friend, by letting them do things with someone you love despite it hurting you massively. Morrigan's motivations in that situation are especially complex as well. If she feels the character is her friend, she wishes to save them from dying, even if it means taking a huge risk and possibly setting herself into a situation that she has no idea how to deal with. Really, Morrigan as a mother? She doesn't know how to deal with children at all. The dark ritual is quite possibly either the most selfless act that Morrigan has ever done, or the most selfish one. It depends on her relationship with the PC and if her personal quest was done or not.

Nicely put. When I read that comic I always thought the 'terrible thing' Morrigan was referring to was asking her friend to ask the man she loves to sleep with another woman. That would have been terribly painful the PC, but the alternative is she dies, or Alistair does as you said. It's a difficult choice to make; do you take the selfless path and die or will you compromise and save the one last thing in the world that means something to you? Much as Wynne preaches too much, she was right about this one thing; love is selfish and it would be a big reason why you bite the bullet and agree to Morrigan's 'offer'. I've said it before, but the HNF playthrough is my favorite as well, and this is why.

Modifié par alexa_025, 15 mars 2010 - 06:47 .

[Altima Darkspells]

I too also have problems playing male characters. For some reason, all the modern CRPG male characters never run right to mine eyes. Always seem to be running around with a broomstick up their arse...



This, of course, wasn't a problem in the old days, and I have many dear memories of The Nameless One.



I think how we see the 'canon' version, or what one would prefer, is based partially on the first origin one finishes. Myself, I finished the game with a Female City Elf rogue first, and while there are some things I would've liked to have seen happen (such as the slavers having killed her father), it was a rather traumatic playthrough full of drama--she was kidnapped, nearly raped, her fiance killed before her eyes, then her sister-cousin actually was violated (on a side note, I'd like to think that my elf opened Vaughn from loins to chest--in that order--with a very dull dagger, or spoon), then the rest of the game happened. She romanced with Alistair, only to have him leave her after he gained the crown, had a wonderful friendship with Morrigan only to be abandoned by her 'new' sister on the eve of battle, and couldn't stop the man she loved and who loved her from sacrificing himself to save her and the entire country. And after all that bunk, having to face that twit Anora, and all the humans that don't give two craps about her or her race.



I have to say, Dragon Age is one of the few games that there seems to be more enjoyment out of the female path than the male one. Between being able to romance Alistair and friend Morrigan, you can have your cake and eat it too. At least, until the Landsmeet anyway.



As for children and the tainted, well, it's strongly hinted at that Alistair himself is a second generation tainted, and any children he may have (with Morrigan or otherwise) will be third generation



As for Anora, she's at least thirty years old in Origins, if not more, and been married to Cailan for what, five years? I find it hard to believe that she didn't bed anyone before her 25th birthday. Given the importance of having at least ONE heir, I highly doubt that there's any other problem than fertility.



On the note of the heir, I wouldn't be too worried. Have you forgotten what country Cailan is king of? Of course he slept around on Anora, and probably produced a child. The nobles of Fereldan can't seem to keep their little Arls in the castle.

[Vim]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

Nhadalie wrote...

If you play as a HNM, in the conversation with your mother, Lady Landra says something along the lines of "You're too kind dear boy. Didn't I spend half the salon flirting with you?" And Dairren interjects something like "Right infront of your family too, mother." Later in the conversation, you get the idea that Iona is interested in you as well. It's pretty funny, I think. So is telling Fergus "No less than three, if you please." when he talks about you finding someone special eventually. His reaction is funnier if you're a HNM. He tells you that someday you'll meet a real woman, who you'll want something more than a roll in the hay with. As a HNF, Oriana tells you that such a thing could scandalize your house and to be careful.

The generic HNM is such a player. He's got Delilah, Lady Landra, AND Iona.


Even playing as a chastely uninterested HN makes you feel very connected to the Cousland family as a whole. My HNF plays with the possibility of marrying either Dairren or Thomas at the beginning of the origin. Being polite, and conveying slight interest without throwing herself at Dairren. Mostly because her mother wants her to marry, and have children as well.

Not only that, my son plays on the ps3 and during his HNM play he got Bella to kiss him in front of Morrigan and Lelianna, he won't tell me how he did that.  The nerve of that boy!

My character convinced her to kiss him not once, but twice.   Of all the minor characters in the game, I think she's the one I remember most fondly.

[Nhadalie]

alexa_025 wrote...

Nhadalie wrote...

Partially because being involved with Alistair, and both of you surviving means convincing him to sleep with Morrigan. Which is a very dramatic moment all together. Especially if the HNF is friends with Morrigan too. There's a comic strip made by David Gaider and Aimo about it that shows the situation very well.

It has a stronger effect than the whole "You need to sleep with someone you may or may not be in love with to survive the battle with the archdemon." Instead it's something along the lines of you needing to trust someone you feel is a friend, by letting them do things with someone you love despite it hurting you massively. Morrigan's motivations in that situation are especially complex as well. If she feels the character is her friend, she wishes to save them from dying, even if it means taking a huge risk and possibly setting herself into a situation that she has no idea how to deal with. Really, Morrigan as a mother? She doesn't know how to deal with children at all. The dark ritual is quite possibly either the most selfless act that Morrigan has ever done, or the most selfish one. It depends on her relationship with the PC and if her personal quest was done or not.

Nicely put. When I read that comic I always thought the 'terrible thing' Morrigan was referring to was asking her friend to ask the man she loves to sleep with another woman. That would have been terribly painful the PC, but the alternative is she dies, or Alistair does as you said. It's a difficult choice to make; do you take the selfless path and die or will you compromise and save the one last thing in the world that means something to you? Much as Wynne preaches too much, she was right about this one thing; love is selfish and it would be a big reason why you bite the bullet and agree to Morrigan's 'offer'. I've said it before, but the HNF playthrough is my favorite as well, and this is why.

Indeed. I felt the same way about the comic. I really like how it showed that Morrigan does honestly care about the PC in that case. Which leads me to believe, at least that if the PC and Morrigan are friends, it's the most selfless act she does. She gives you a way to survive the fight with the archdemon, and puts herself into the difficult situation of having to become a mother. Meanwhile, she realizes how horrible what she is asking you to do is, and that you might very well hate her for it. Which is quite likely part of the reason why she leaves, because she can't bear for the only friend she's ever had to hate her for what she did.


Wynne is right about several things. But I agree, she does get preachy depending on what sort of PC you're playing. You are given the opportunity to make a selfish choice for once. To convince Alistair to do something he views as abhorrent, so that you both may live.

Basically, the HNF version is a much more complex emotional scene. It would make a better scene in a novel than possibly sleeping with someone you love already.

[shedevil3001]

very true Nhadalie and also a woman doesnt get to have a child so theres no ties to sway her either way if it comes to killing morrigans child so it would make more sense for the female canon as who could kill their own child

[Vim]

Altima Darkspells wrote...

I too also have problems playing male characters. For some reason, all the modern CRPG male characters never run right to mine eyes. Always seem to be running around with a broomstick up their arse...

This, of course, wasn't a problem in the old days, and I have many dear memories of The Nameless One.

I think how we see the 'canon' version, or what one would prefer, is based partially on the first origin one finishes. Myself, I finished the game with a Female City Elf rogue first, and while there are some things I would've liked to have seen happen (such as the slavers having killed her father), it was a rather traumatic playthrough full of drama--she was kidnapped, nearly raped, her fiance killed before her eyes, then her sister-cousin actually was violated (on a side note, I'd like to think that my elf opened Vaughn from loins to chest--in that order--with a very dull dagger, or spoon), then the rest of the game happened. She romanced with Alistair, only to have him leave her after he gained the crown, had a wonderful friendship with Morrigan only to be abandoned by her 'new' sister on the eve of battle, and couldn't stop the man she loved and who loved her from sacrificing himself to save her and the entire country. And after all that bunk, having to face that twit Anora, and all the humans that don't give two craps about her or her race.

I totally agree with you that the city elf origin is the most gripping of them all. Of all the origins I've played, my most vivid memories are of the city elf origin, and I played as a male. It was also not the first origin I played, but the third.

I have to say, Dragon Age is one of the few games that there seems to be more enjoyment out of the female path than the male one. Between being able to romance Alistair and friend Morrigan, you can have your cake and eat it too. At least, until the Landsmeet anyway.

While the choices for male and female characters weren't entirely congruent I'm not entirely certain that one had more enjoyable paths than the other. I for one was glad I was able to rescue my city elf's father.

As for children and the tainted, well, it's strongly hinted at that Alistair himself is a second generation tainted, and any children he may have (with Morrigan or otherwise) will be third generation

Nowhere does it say that having a parent who is tainted results in the child being tainted as well. I'd think that if this were the case they'd have mentioned it given how many centuries the Grey Wardens have been active.

As for Anora, she's at least thirty years old in Origins, if not more, and been married to Cailan for what, five years? I find it hard to believe that she didn't bed anyone before her 25th birthday. Given the importance of having at least ONE heir, I highly doubt that there's any other problem than fertility.

Depending on which of the conflicting sources you count, she could be anywhere between 23 or so and 30 at the end of Origins. Her source file says she's 23, but in RtO, Eamon's letter says she's "approaching 30". We do know that she's less than a year older than Cailan due to her in-game dialog, but Cailan's age is just as difficult to nail down given all of the inconsistencies in the different versions of The Calling. Supposedly they grew up together and were married young, and that would support the lower number over the higher number. Their personalities, especially Cailan's, also support the lower numbers. But I can easily understand why you might go with the higher ones given Eamon's letter in RtO.

On the note of the heir, I wouldn't be too worried. Have you forgotten what country Cailan is king of? Of course he slept around on Anora, and probably produced a child. The nobles of Fereldan can't seem to keep their little Arls in the castle.

I'm not entirely sure I buy this. Male characters will never see the slightest hint that Cailan cheated. It's only if a female character who is in a romance with Alistair brings the subject of Anora marrying Alistair up to Anora that Anora brings up that Cailan cheated. And quite honestly, I don't entirely trust Anora not to exaggerate things to make them seem like something they were not. (eg. her life being in danger at Howe's estate when it never was.) Several characters in the game including her own father will tell you that Cailan was totally enamored on Anora and that she lead him around as if he were on a leash. It's hard for me to see Cailan cheating on Anora unless she saw it as an effective way to get him out of her hair so she could get on with the important business of ruling the realm without him continually trying to hump her.

Modifié par Vim, 15 mars 2010 - 02:12 .

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Vim wrote...

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

Nhadalie wrote...

If you play as a HNM, in the conversation with your mother, Lady Landra says something along the lines of "You're too kind dear boy. Didn't I spend half the salon flirting with you?" And Dairren interjects something like "Right infront of your family too, mother." Later in the conversation, you get the idea that Iona is interested in you as well. It's pretty funny, I think. So is telling Fergus "No less than three, if you please." when he talks about you finding someone special eventually. His reaction is funnier if you're a HNM. He tells you that someday you'll meet a real woman, who you'll want something more than a roll in the hay with. As a HNF, Oriana tells you that such a thing could scandalize your house and to be careful.

The generic HNM is such a player. He's got Delilah, Lady Landra, AND Iona.


Even playing as a chastely uninterested HN makes you feel very connected to the Cousland family as a whole. My HNF plays with the possibility of marrying either Dairren or Thomas at the beginning of the origin. Being polite, and conveying slight interest without throwing herself at Dairren. Mostly because her mother wants her to marry, and have children as well.

Not only that, my son plays on the ps3 and during his HNM play he got Bella to kiss him in front of Morrigan and Lelianna, he won't tell me how he did that.  The nerve of that boy!

My character convinced her to kiss him not once, but twice.   Of all the minor characters in the game, I think she's the one I remember most fondly.

See, HNMs have all the fun!    HNFs only get Sweet Darrien, Alistair, or Zev or Lelianna if you play it gay.  I liked Bella as well. 

[Emerald Melios]

Default137 wrote...

HN has the connection to Howe.

CE has the connection to the Alienage/Loghain

DN has the connection to Bhelen, Gorim, and Loghain.

DC has the connection to Bhelen

Dalish and Mage have no real connection, since nobody comments on you being Dalish, and only Jowan seems to recognize you as a Mage. ( IRVING SAYS NOTHING, WHY DOES HE SAY NOTHING )

HN fits the storyline a bit better, but really, any story can be canon, from the DN to the CE, as they all have their specific things that fit them in to the overall story fairly well, especially since all of the stories sans Mage/Dalish are actually mentioned again later in the game as actually having happened, but Duncan wasn't there to save the person. ( The CE took Vaughns offer and was killed by the guard, the Cousland didn't make it out of Highever, the DC was killed, the DN was killed in the Deep Roads.... )

Really, it makes the most sense to be a DN or DC if you want to get technical, Duncan has no reason to be at Highever other then an attempt to find a recruit that he knew he wouldn't be able to get, same with the CE, he wouldn't have conscripted a newlywed, however with the Dwarves, it makes perfect sense for the Gray Wardens to be at Orzammar helping during the push against the Blight in the hopes they'd send some forces back with the Wardens to Ostagar.

Err....what connection does City Elf have to Loghain?