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Are the Reapers good? Theory time :D

Débuté par HeyBlade789 , mars 06 2010 05:20

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HeyBlade789
Posté 06 mars 2010 - 05:20

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We all view reapers as evil, killing everything then skulking off to the end of the galaxy.
What is their mission of killing is actually good.
Hear me out :
The habitants of the universe are killing stealing, mining and generally destroying the universe, so the "Care takers of the universe" the reapers, sweep in and clean up the damage and stuff before it gets too bad, and make a few babies on the way.
So technically they are not bad at all, and in fact helping to save the galaxy from us
This could present an interesting final decision,
1. Kill the reapers therefore saving the civilisations but therefore dooming the galaxy
OR
2. Let the reapers run their course, saving the galaxy, but dooming the civilisation.
What do you guys rekon? :)

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Dave the Seagull
Posté 06 mars 2010 - 05:21

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The good guys and bad guys is determined by the winners.



I intend to win.



YEEEEAAAAAAAHHHHH

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The Angry One
Posté 06 mars 2010 - 05:22

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Not this again.



Look, the Reapers kill everybody to consume them. That's evil.

End of story. You do not help the galaxy by turning it into a slaughter house.

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Karstedt
Posté 06 mars 2010 - 05:23

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I rekon you been watchin' too much anime.

The Angry One wrote...
Look, the
Reapers kill everybody to consume them. That's evil.
End of story.
You do not help the galaxy by turning it into a slaughter house.


Unless of course, turning the galaxy into a slaughterhouse helps the galaxy.

Modifié par Karstedt, 06 mars 2010 - 05:25 .

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Vaenier
Posté 06 mars 2010 - 05:23

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Yes, they are the good guys.

Sapient life is a virus, a plague on the galaxy. and the Reapers are the cure. We go about spreading, taking more resources, more space, never finding balance. They clean us out, making room for evolution.

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marshalleck
Posté 06 mars 2010 - 05:24

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The Angry One wrote...

You do not help the galaxy by turning it into a slaughter house.


Says the Reaper chow. You're biased. :whistle:

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Doomhams
Posté 06 mars 2010 - 05:25

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Killing things against their will is evil. Reapers kill things against their will. Reapers are evil.

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HeyBlade789
Posté 06 mars 2010 - 05:26

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But is there evil a means to and end, save the galaxy but have to kill something in the path

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Posté 06 mars 2010 - 05:27

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I remember Ammon Jerro's Haven in NWN 2. There was a test where you had to choose whether or not to kill a leader of a tribe. For the tribe, he was a hero and the ultimate good because he was saving them. But to save them, he had to destroy everyone else, including you. In the end, the accepted answer was to kill him because even though he was saving his people, he was still a threat to your own.



That was the gist of it. Probably got a few details wrong.

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Karstedt
Posté 06 mars 2010 - 05:27

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Doomhams wrote...

Killing things against their will is evil. Reapers kill things against their will. Reapers are evil.


So it's evil to kill someone trying to rape you? Good to know, I'll pass that along to the inmates.

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Posté 06 mars 2010 - 05:27

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I'm sure they're going to have some kind of "WE'RE DOING THIS FOR GREAT JUSTICE!" moment. At which Shepard will promptly shoot them.

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Dijohn17
Posté 06 mars 2010 - 05:28

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2(but only if me, my LI, Garrus, and Jacob get to live)

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The Angry One
Posté 06 mars 2010 - 05:29

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HeyBlade789 wrote...

But is there evil a means to and end, save the galaxy but have to kill something in the path


The galaxy is a place. Not an entity of it's own.
This reminds me of the nihilist bull**** about killing humanity to save the planet. Only amoral nitwits think it's clever to murder innocent intelligent life to preserve objects.

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Mallissin
Posté 06 mars 2010 - 05:29

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HeyBlade789 wrote...
The habitants of the universe are killing stealing, mining and generally destroying the universe, so the "Care takers of the universe" the reapers, sweep in and clean up the damage and stuff before it gets too bad, and make a few babies on the way.


Great. As if the Reapers weren't bad enough, now we're being invaded by space hippies.

As Joker says, it never ends.

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HeyBlade789
Posté 06 mars 2010 - 05:30

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Angry one lives up to her name, i arent suggesting to kill everything on earth, its a game!

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Onyx Jaguar
Posté 06 mars 2010 - 05:32

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I give up.



The Reapers are the good guys, at the end my character will pull a Saren and the Galaxy will be at peace.



Literally

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The Angry One
Posté 06 mars 2010 - 05:32

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HeyBlade789 wrote...

Angry one lives up to her name, i arent suggesting to kill everything on earth, its a game!


It's the same kind of philosophy; to suggest killing intelligent life to preserve something you prescribe some sort of nebulous higher meaning to, whether it's a planet or a galaxy.

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marshalleck
Posté 06 mars 2010 - 05:33

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The Angry One wrote...

HeyBlade789 wrote...

But is there evil a means to and end, save the galaxy but have to kill something in the path


The galaxy is a place. Not an entity of it's own.
This reminds me of the nihilist bull**** about killing humanity to save the planet. Only amoral nitwits think it's clever to murder innocent intelligent life to preserve objects.

Well look. Either people manage the population on their own or nature will do it for us through famine and disease.

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Posté 06 mars 2010 - 05:33

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The Angry One wrote...

HeyBlade789 wrote...

But is there evil a means to and end, save the galaxy but have to kill something in the path


The galaxy is a place. Not an entity of it's own.
This reminds me of the nihilist bull**** about killing humanity to save the planet. Only amoral nitwits think it's clever to murder innocent intelligent life to preserve objects.

Whats your opinion on the motives in the Avatar movie? I am intrigued.

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The Angry One
Posté 06 mars 2010 - 05:34

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marshalleck wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

HeyBlade789 wrote...

But is there evil a means to and end, save the galaxy but have to kill something in the path


The galaxy is a place. Not an entity of it's own.
This reminds me of the nihilist bull**** about killing humanity to save the planet. Only amoral nitwits think it's clever to murder innocent intelligent life to preserve objects.

Well look. Either people manage the population on their own or nature will do it for us through famine and disease.


What's your point? Neither will kill us entirely, nor will the Earth somehow be "better off" with people dying.

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Posté 06 mars 2010 - 05:34

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The Angry One wrote...

You do not help the galaxy by turning it into a slaughter house.


This

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Onyx Jaguar
Posté 06 mars 2010 - 05:35

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Sunnie22 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

You do not help the galaxy by turning it into a slaughter house.


This


Maybe its like brush fires, you burn it down in order for it to grow again, bigger, better and more #$##$#

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redguppie
Posté 06 mars 2010 - 05:36

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they could have a very good reason for what they are doing. That doesn't change that they are evil from the perspective of everyone they are slaughtering, which includes Shepard.

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Dave the Seagull
Posté 06 mars 2010 - 05:36

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marshalleck wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

HeyBlade789 wrote...

But is there evil a means to and end, save the galaxy but have to kill something in the path


The galaxy is a place. Not an entity of it's own.
This reminds me of the nihilist bull**** about killing humanity to save the planet. Only amoral nitwits think it's clever to murder innocent intelligent life to preserve objects.

Well look. Either people manage the population on their own or nature will do it for us through famine and disease.


You mean like Ebola did? Or that flesh eating disease? Or Swine flu did?

I had swine flu for Christ's sake, and I lived. Hell, I went to classes and everything. But now I'm just bragging.

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Posté 06 mars 2010 - 05:36

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marshalleck wrote...
Well look. Either people manage the population on their own or nature will do it for us through famine and disease.


Or we produce over a hundred times the food per acre than our ancestors could two hundred years ago.

And I dunno if you noticed, but the population of the planet hasn't grown a hundred fold in two hundred years.

We haven't even hit ten fold yet, so I think we'll be okay for awhile.
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