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[Collider]

Organics do a great job of killing themselves already. We don't need the reapers to do it. Good and evil are subjective, there IS no "what if the reapers are good." The very fact that they are threatening to kill us justifies our defense in context of not knowing why they are doing it.

Modifié par Collider, 06 mars 2010 - 05:37 .

[Dijohn17]

The Angry One wrote...

Not this again.

Look, the Reapers kill everybody to consume them. That's evil.
End of story. You do not help the galaxy by turning it into a slaughter house.

Actually if you think about the Reapers could be good. Lets take a look at this very closely, we all know someone had to make the Reapers millions of years ago, but the reason for making the Reapers could be that the people who made them almost killed of the galaxy by using up resources, starting wars, and making planets unihabitable. So maybe the reason for creating the Reapers was to infact save the galaxy and let other creatures to get a shot to evolve and explore the galaxy. I mean what if the Reapers never existed? Do you think humans would've evolved? Its like the asteroid that killed the Dinosaurs, sure it lead to massive loss of life and the ending entire species but it also lead to the rise of mammals and ultimatly humans.

[jklinders]

Ok next I'm going to see a post on how the Reapers are simply rabid environmentalists out to save the galaxy. Oops, sorry too late. Am I reading the OP correct in that the reapers are destroying civilizations for the environment? Is this the final evolution of PETA?



I'll take the effort to deconstruct this argument when I see a post affirming this interpretation.

[Mallissin]

Vaenier wrote...
Whats your opinion on the motives in the Avatar movie? I am intrigued.

Are you serious?

[marshalleck]

The Angry One wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

HeyBlade789 wrote...

But is there evil a means to and end, save the galaxy but have to kill something in the path

The galaxy is a place. Not an entity of it's own.
This reminds me of the nihilist bull**** about killing humanity to save the planet. Only amoral nitwits think it's clever to murder innocent intelligent life to preserve objects.

Well look. Either people manage the population on their own or nature will do it for us through famine and disease.

What's your point? Neither will kill us entirely, nor will the Earth somehow be "better off" with people dying.

My point is there's a sort of austere beauty to the thought that the corpses of millions or billions of people will become fertile soil for future generations. Cycle of life and all that.

Modifié par marshalleck, 06 mars 2010 - 05:38 .

[The Angry One]

Vaenier wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

HeyBlade789 wrote...

But is there evil a means to and end, save the galaxy but have to kill something in the path

The galaxy is a place. Not an entity of it's own.
This reminds me of the nihilist bull**** about killing humanity to save the planet. Only amoral nitwits think it's clever to murder innocent intelligent life to preserve objects.

Whats your opinion on the motives in the Avatar movie? I am intrigued.

Seeing as Avatar doesn't promote the murder of innocents to preserve some object that is percieved by ignorant hippies as better off without that life, I don't see your comparison.
Unless you mean Jake Sully's "We killed our planet!" whining. Well he's a dork so I don't care what he says.

[Sunnie]

Vaenier wrote...

Yes, they are the good guys.
Sapient life is a virus, a plague on the galaxy. and the Reapers are the cure. We go about spreading, taking more resources, more space, never finding balance. They clean us out, making room for evolution.

/fail attempt at Matrix quote...

[Zemore]

Evil and good are a matter of perspectibe the Reapers think what they are doing is how things must be they see it as that.



They on the other hand are forcing what they want on everyone else and ill be damned if some space robot bugs will tell me to become a slury fed in to a gaint terminator !!

[Onyx Jaguar]

Jake Sully has the personality of a plastic bottle. Its empty and useless unless its full of garbage.

[Dave the Seagull]

Dijohn17 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Not this again.

Look, the Reapers kill everybody to consume them. That's evil.
End of story. You do not help the galaxy by turning it into a slaughter house.

Actually if you think about the Reapers could be good. Lets take a look at this very closely, we all know someone had to make the Reapers millions of years ago, but the reason for making the Reapers could be that the people who made them almost killed of the galaxy by using up resources, starting wars, and making planets unihabitable. So maybe the reason for creating the Reapers was to infact save the galaxy and let other creatures to get a shot to evolve and explore the galaxy. I mean what if the Reapers never existed? Do you think humans would've evolved? Its like the asteroid that killed the Dinosaurs, sure it lead to massive loss of life and the ending entire species but it also lead to the rise of mammals and ultimatly humans.

So what, the Reapers are just killing everyone off so the next doomed generation can live for a few millienia, before wiping them out like they did with the last group? What kind of cruel "saviours" would allow life to live in it's own flawed existance, just to destroy it later?

They're either massivly stupid and arrogant, or just Space Pricks.

Also, Avatar was about the Iraq War. Think about it.

Modifié par Dave the Seagull, 06 mars 2010 - 05:40 .

[addiction21]

Doomhams wrote...

Killing things against their will is evil. Reapers kill things against their will. Reapers are evil.

Do you brush your teeth and use mouthwash? I hope not or you are evil.

[The Angry One]

Dijohn17 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Not this again.

Look, the Reapers kill everybody to consume them. That's evil.
End of story. You do not help the galaxy by turning it into a slaughter house.

Actually if you think about the Reapers could be good. Lets take a look at this very closely, we all know someone had to make the Reapers millions of years ago, but the reason for making the Reapers could be that the people who made them almost killed of the galaxy by using up resources, starting wars, and making planets unihabitable. So maybe the reason for creating the Reapers was to infact save the galaxy and let other creatures to get a shot to evolve and explore the galaxy. I mean what if the Reapers never existed? Do you think humans would've evolved? Its like the asteroid that killed the Dinosaurs, sure it lead to massive loss of life and the ending entire species but it also lead to the rise of mammals and ultimatly humans.

That doesn't justify it at all, and accusing the Reapers' victims of overconsumption when that's exactly what the Reapers are guilty of doesn't make any sense.
As for what killed the dinosaurs, whether or not it resulted in us, if it had been directed by someone it would've been a vicious act of vandalism at best, outright evil genocide at worst if it's victims were intelligent.

[The Angry One]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Jake Sully has the personality of a plastic bottle. Its empty and useless unless its full of garbage.

Win.

[marshalleck]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Jake Sully has the personality of a plastic bottle. Its empty and useless unless its full of garbage.

Who puts garbage in plastic bottles? 

[HeyBlade789]

jklinders wrote...

Ok next I'm going to see a post on how the Reapers are simply rabid environmentalists out to save the galaxy. Oops, sorry too late. Am I reading the OP correct in that the reapers are destroying civilizations for the environment? Is this the final evolution of PETA?

I'll take the effort to deconstruct this argument when I see a post affirming this interpretation.

Think about it this way, if the civilisations of the universe totally mined out the universe there would be nothing, end of.
I think killing the civilisation off is a better idea than having nothing
(BTW i arent an uber environmentalist, its just a theory not ym belief, im 15 for christ sake no Al Gore)

[Vaenier]

Sunnie22 wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

Yes, they are the good guys.
Sapient life is a virus, a plague on the galaxy. and the Reapers are the cure. We go about spreading, taking more resources, more space, never finding balance. They clean us out, making room for evolution.

/fail attempt at Matrix quote...

I think there is a quote about humanity and a virus. I didnt try recreating it, that thought came after the post.

But the theory they do it for evolution is sound. Its moral reasoning is nonexistant though.

[InvaderErl]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Jake Sully has the personality of a plastic bottle. Its empty and useless unless its full of garbage.

I like this man. This Jaguar.


Nutritionally speaking, soda IS garbage.

*Takes a sip of soda.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 06 mars 2010 - 05:43 .

[Mallissin]

I think it's hilarious that people who enjoyed Avatar and espousing extremist environmentalist beliefs are arguing the Reapers are good.



Have you become that confused and overwhelmed by guilt for being the dominant species on the planet?

[Das Wolfen]

No idea if they constitute good or evil, as I reckon their motives likely elevate them above such classification (if Soveregin's (sp?) words are to be believed). All I know is, Harbringer says something right at the end of ME2 which really has me intrigued and makes me think the Reapers view themselves as the 'good guys'.



HARBRINGER: We are your salvation through destruction.



He doesn't seem to deliver that line with any arrogance or contempt, or atleast not as much as would be expected with him being required to speak to us 'puny mortals' so many he really does think he's doing the right thing.

[Dave the Seagull]

HeyBlade789 wrote...

jklinders wrote...

Ok next I'm going to see a post on how the Reapers are simply rabid environmentalists out to save the galaxy. Oops, sorry too late. Am I reading the OP correct in that the reapers are destroying civilizations for the environment? Is this the final evolution of PETA?

I'll take the effort to deconstruct this argument when I see a post affirming this interpretation.

Think about it this way, if the civilisations of the universe totally mined out the universe there would be nothing, end of.
I think killing the civilisation off is a better idea than having nothing
(BTW i arent an uber environmentalist, its just a theory not ym belief, im 15 for christ sake no Al Gore)

If you don't feel confident about your own opinions on something, don't post them. That's not how it works.

[The Angry One]

HeyBlade789 wrote...

Think about it this way, if the civilisations of the universe totally mined out the universe there would be nothing, end of.
I think killing the civilisation off is a better idea than having nothing
(BTW i arent an uber environmentalist, its just a theory not ym belief, im 15 for christ sake no Al Gore)

The universe? Hey sure if that civilisation has trillions of years to fart around with.

Modifié par The Angry One, 06 mars 2010 - 05:43 .

[InvaderErl]

Like I said, I'm sure they have a reason for what they're doing but that doesn't make them any less genocidal maniacs.

[Mallissin]

HeyBlade789 wrote...
Think about it this way, if the civilisations of the universe totally mined out the universe there would be nothing, end of.
I think killing the civilisation off is a better idea than having nothing
(BTW i arent an uber environmentalist, its just a theory not ym belief, im 15 for christ sake no Al Gore)

You don't get it. We mine something to make something. That thing we made still exists and we can convert that into something else. Look at a car, it's made of mostly recycled steel.

Get your head on straight, kid. Don't let the econuts confuse you into doing stupid crap.... like supporting the Reapers.

Modifié par Mallissin, 06 mars 2010 - 05:45 .

[HeyBlade789]

Das Wolfen wrote...

No idea if they constitute good or evil, as I reckon their motives likely elevate them above such classification (if Soveregin's (sp?) words are to be believed). All I know is, Harbringer says something right at the end of ME2 which really has me intrigued and makes me think the Reapers view themselves as the 'good guys'.

HARBRINGER: We are your salvation through destruction.

He doesn't seem to deliver that line with any arrogance or contempt, or atleast not as much as would be expected with him being required to speak to us 'puny mortals' so many he really does think he's doing the right thing.

Thank you Das Wolfen, instead of being ripped up in a tide of environmentalism, lets focus on whats in the game!

[Dijohn17]

By the way people I'm not an enviromental extremist. In fact I dislike PETA very much and don't really care for the WWF(Not the wrestling I loved that, but the World Wildlife Foundation).