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[SLPr0]

So if you've played both Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2, you end up in Mass Effect chasing down some Cerberus leads and taking out some Cerberus bases, I believe these were patched in pre-ME2 to give some Cerberus history which wasn't there on release.

Anyways there is something of a mission based scenario which leads more or less to a dead end. Dr. Chloe Michel is being threatened/blackmailed by someone, you chase it down and the person doing the threatening is a middle man for someone named "Banes".

Dr. Michel reveals that it might be Armistan Banes, a co-worker on her unmentioned former posting.

The Banes lead, leads you to Captain Anderson, who really in the only time in Mass Effect reacts to your question in an extremely evasive manner. He tells you Banes was involved in some top secret research and is dead and to ask Rear Admiral Kahoku about it.

Rear Admiral Kahoku doesn't know much about Armistan Banes either other than he was found dead adrift on a ship in the Sparta system and the marines that found the body are now missing, but not only are the marines missing but the body and the ship are too.

You of course find these marines in the UNC: Missing Marines mission, only to find that they've been lured to their deaths in a Thresher Maw nest in the Sparta system, an alliance emergency beacon was used to lure them there, informing Kahoku of their deaths launches a small mission arc (Hade's Dogs) which introduces Shepard to Cerberus, which was apparently a deep cover Alliance operation which went rogue.

You take out several Cerberus facilities only to find Kahoku dead in one of them, then take out a main base supposedly averting a "great danger" to the galaxy.

But no where in all of this is Armistan Banes further referenced. And Anderson's reaction to the name was extremely out of character for him, Anderson spends most of Mass Effect/Mass Effect 2 appearing to be a patriarchal benefactor to the Shepard character, his reaction to the Banes name comes out as almost like he was caught doing something wrong.

So with that in mind, I keep looking at the Armistan Banes link, and Captain/Councilor Anderson, and wondering how much Anderson REALLY knows about Cerberus. The fact that hes aware of Banes being involved in a classfied Alliance Military project, and Kahoku identifying that classfied military project as Cerberus, means that Anderson knows more about Cerberus than he lets on.

And the ship and body of Banes have no further information. Who is Banes then? Is it possible that the Lazarus project used on Shepard in ME2 is not its first use? Could Armistan Banes be The Illusive Man? Brought back from the dead by the first use of the Lazarus Project technology?

Could it be that the Alliance Military is a lot more involved with Cerberus than we actually believe given our player point of view on the two titles?

The Armistan Banes case in Mass Effect leaves a trailing mystery, one that is never answered fully in Mass Effect 2, but I believe has relevance to the story itself....and the intents and machinations of the characters you've been dealing with between the Alliance and Cerberus in the two titles.

They may not be as far removed from each other as Captain/Councillor Anderson might like you to believe.

Modifié par SLPr0, 07 mars 2010 - 05:52 .

[BobbyTheI]

I'm beginning to wonder if Banes wasn't just cut content from ME1 that never got finished, with how that plot thread just completely trailed off and didn't even warrant a mention in ME2. Guess we'll have to see in ME3.

[kraidy1117]

I still think Banes is TIM. Just too much evidence in ME to point to that.

[DuffyMJ]

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[drew.winters]

http://en.wikipedia....i/Chekhov's_gun



For the record, I think it's unlikely that Banes is an example of Chekhov's Gun, but I thought you might like to know that there is a term for the technique to which you refer.

[War Houndoom]

kraidy1117 wrote...

I still think Banes is TIM. Just too much evidence in ME to point to that.

I never made that connection before but that seems to make sense, good observation.

[applehug]

Hmm..... You can clearly see TIM eyes show signs of cybernetic implants so TIM may just be Banes.

Modifié par applehug, 07 mars 2010 - 02:49 .

[kraidy1117]

War Houndoom wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

I still think Banes is TIM. Just too much evidence in ME to point to that.

I never made that connection before but that seems to make sense, good observation.

The point that the people who found Banes dead where killed by Cerberus and Kakuku who was investageting the case was also killed. Also we know that Cerberus was a top secret group with ties to the Alience which they broke around 10 to 1 year before the events in ME. Banes was part of a secret project for the Allience. While it might not look like much evidence, it is very fishy.

[Louis deGuerre]

Well, Cerberus is an Alliance 'black' project group that went rogue as Hackett explains to you so yes, Cerbus and the Alliance are closely related,

The whole Banes thing was never satisfactorily resolved in me1. Especially Anderson's extreme reaction gave me the nagging feeling I was doing something wrong.

[kraidy1117]

Louis deGuerre wrote...

Well, Cerberus is an Alliance 'black' project group that went rogue as Hackett explains to you so yes, Cerbus and the Alliance are closely related,
The whole Banes thing was never satisfactorily resolved in me1. Especially Anderson's extreme reaction gave me the nagging feeling I was doing something wrong.

Thats why, while the eivdence is not put right in your face, if you look at it carefully, there is just to much that point to TIM. Plus, no one knows what TIM looks like expect for Cerberus opertives, and even then only top level ones know what he looks like.

[JMKnave]

Banes = TIM or Shadow Broker? -shrugs-

[Ecael]

He knows the answer, he just won't tell you.



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[Sikayda]

kraidy1117 wrote...

I still think Banes is TIM.

^^^

[kraidy1117]

JMKnave wrote...

Banes = TIM or Shadow Broker? -shrugs-

I don't think SB can be human, as far as we can tell, SB has been in buisness before humans even met the council, unless SB is just a title and is given to the next person.

[Sialater]

Then... Dr. Michel knows TIM?

[Commander Shepard]

I dont know about TIM being resurrected as well, however you have some great and interesting points. He could be TIM. After what you've said, I'm sure we haven't heard the last of Banes. Very very interesting!!

Modifié par Commander Shepard, 07 mars 2010 - 03:08 .

[Louis deGuerre]

Sialater wrote...

Then... Dr. Michel knows TIM?

I was when I realized I could not visit her in me2, even after I got that nice message from her.

[anmiro]

I agree and I think Armistan Banes is only one of many unanswered questions about Cerberus. The side quests of ME1 that involved investigating Cerberus were some of my favorite. I really thought I would have an opportunity to make them pay for their crimes at some point over the course of the trilogy. Like a lot of people, I was disappointed that we are forced to work with them in ME2. I can accept the fact that Shepard really has no choice but to work with them, he would be stupid not to. Cerberus is the enemy of your enemy and they make for a very powerful ally. My hope for ME3 is that Paragon Shepard will have a profound impact on how the organization operates. For example Yeoman Kelly Chambers, along with a couple other crew members, has a very naive perspective of Cerberus, but it also paints a nice picture of what Cerberus could be under different management.

[ChuckNorris18]

Edit: NVM was thinking of someone else

Modifié par ChuckNorris18, 07 mars 2010 - 03:41 .

[anmiro]

For another Cerberus Conspiracy Theory Check out: 
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/105/index/1523972

[SLPr0]

Well an agent of the Shadow Broker contacts you in regards to the Cerberus data you pick up at the end of the Hade's Dogs missions. You can choose to give it to him or refuse him, regardless the odd part of that is Shadow Broker agents being able to contact the most advanced covert Alliance frigate in the fleet on supposedly encrypted channels.

You would assume that these communication channels used between Arcturus and the Normandy would be classified. As the only other people that contact you via secure comm are Rear Admiral Hackitt and the Citadel Council.

The "agent" knowing how to contact the Normandy in regards to attempting to procure the Cerberus data is another loose end in this thread of the story. The Shadow Broker knows a lot of course, but, the agent in question would have to have had access to the secure FTL communications frequencies, pointing at someone on the inside at Arcturus.

Theres also no real way to know the contacting agent is actually an agent of the Shadow Broker other than their word.

Could be another indication of the Alliance/Cerberus link, and the brass at Arcturus attempting to cover it up, or it could actually be Banes(perhaps TIM) attempting to recover the data under a false front. Either way it points to deeper connections than the character is led to believe from people the character is basically stroked to "trust" between the two titles.

Modifié par SLPr0, 07 mars 2010 - 03:57 .

[SLPr0]

Arcturus Station

Arcturus Station is the capital of Human Alliance Military operations. The full details are available at the link to the Wiki.