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[Saurel]

Asheer_Khan wrote...


I agree that Anderson's reaction on Banes name was too strange if he was just a mere special agent...

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Well if Banes was the human equivalent of Saren, I wouldn't see his reaction as being that off.

Look at how Anderson reacted to Harkin.

Modifié par Saurel, 08 mars 2010 - 12:49 .

[SLPr0]

Schroing wrote...

Threads like these annoy me so much. Nothing of what we know about Banes points to TIM, and our lack of information on TIM doesn't point to Banes. We know nothing.

I'm not just focusing on Banes as potentially TIM, I'm focusing on the Banes link as an indication that all is not as it may seem between the SAN and Cerberus.

Banes being TIM is one of those things you can surmise given the death of Banes, but him apparently being alive to threaten Dr. Michel, his connection to TIM is looking at the fact that TIM is obviously cybernetically enhanced in a manner similar to Shepard, at least in the eyes....though Shepards eyes don't glow bright blue if hes all Paragon, they do go violently evil red in a similar configuration to TIM's eyes if you go all Renegade.  The open display of the modified eyes on TIM could be a fact of early Lazarus technology usage, something they couldn't hide about it. Whereas in the Shepard project they were able to reconstruct the body perfectly and only aggravation of the psychology through negative actions somehow causes the implants and scarring to worsen.

Another thing to consider in regards to TIM is his eyes. There is no one, and I mean absolutely no one, in Mass Effect or Mass Effect 2 using ocular cybernetic implants as a matter of course. People tend to blindly overlook this "oh well its the future they have technology, obviously his eyes replace glasses/he was blind and its like Geordi's eyes from Star Trek Nemesis...blah blah blah" when your own pilot can't even walk without giving himself stress fractures and you've got a drell in your ship thats dying of an uncurable disease and none of your medical technology (even the facial reconstruction system) appears to be able to fix Garrus's face.

TIM's eyes are a direct sign of technology in use that is beyond the normal bounds of even the futuristic technology in Mass Effect. Potentially a side effect of the Lazarus project used on Banes, but not 100% surety that TIM is Banes/Banes is TIM.

[SLPr0]

Saurel wrote...

Asheer_Khan wrote...


I agree that Anderson's reaction on Banes name was too strange if he was just a mere special agent...

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Well if Banes was the human equivalent of Saren, I wouldn't see his reaction as being that off.

Look at how Anderson reacted to Harkin.

He didn't react to Harkin as if he'd gotten caught doing something wrong. His reaction to the Banes name is completely different. Defensive and evasive. He knows about Banes, but doesn't tell you everything and tells you to go talk to Kahoku about it if your really want to know. Kahoku knows more or less what Anderson tells you he knows.

[Darth Drago]

IoCaster wrote...

There's another interesting point that I can't quite see the significance of yet. When I was using the save editor I noticed that one of the ME1 choices that carries over to ME2 is whether or not you killed or persuaded the blackmailer. Obviously, it points to a continuation of this particular plot thread in some way. It may just be a simple flag to determine whether or not you get an email from Dr. Michel. The odd point to me is that I can't really figure out what difference it would make. Either way the Krogan mentions Banes before you kill or intimidate him.

-Interesting, the plot thickens…
You can likely rule out the email message theory since you still have to see her to end the quest. Maybe it is something for a future download or more likely to be used as a marker for exporting your Shepard into ME3. Maybe we’ll see something in ME3 about Banes.


I still find it very unlikely that Banes is the Illusive Man. You get a feeling from talking with Miranda about TIM that he is someone who stays or prefers to do things out of sight. Since he has been the leader of Cerberus for years (since its creation I believe) its not likely that he would walk around in a Banes persona for any reason let alone do something as trivial as blackmailing a doctor.

There is no clear date set as to when Banes was killed, just “for some time” as Anderson puts it. That’s pretty vague but I would put in the 2 months to up to a year. I go on that basis because of the marines that found his body were just killed. Why wait that long to start to get rid of any witnesses? This could go hand in hand to the theory that maybe Banes was a test subject for Project Lazarus and it took him some time to recover. Again that’s unlikely since it goes against what you are told about how the project was created just to bring back Shepard. Whether or not its true is another issue and has interesting implications on its own.

Anderson’s reaction to Banes and to Harkin are done in the right way in my mind. Harkin is a disgrace in Anderson’s eyes. He was the first human C-Sec officer and a corrupt one at that. The shock and evasiveness he has about hearing Shepard mention Banes’s name is likely due to a “where did Shepard hear about him?” line of thinking. Your talking about a dead man after all. That’s why I still think Banes was more of an Alliance/government agent of some sort or “recruited” by them. Maybe it was even Anderson who got him involved.

As for TIM’s eyes its likely just cybernetic implants to give him direct links to any source of information like his computers. Its also likely that this technology is either something he developed for himself or just something new that we haven’t seen yet. For all we know a lot of the Shadow Broker’s agents use them or even the mysterious Shadow Broker as well.

[Akeashar]

I think Banes is just a red herring people are grasping at. Nowhere in ME1 does it say that the body or the ship went missing. It doesn't actually say that Kohaku's marines found the body. What it does say is that Banes' ship (and corpse) were found in the same system as Kohaku's men went missing. All the information you're provided in ME1 is just that there is a Cerberus operation going on, and that Banes and Kohaku's men were likely victims of it. For all we know, Banes might have been an Alliance operative, which is how Anderson knows about him.

As for the blackmail going on on the Citadel, it may have been something set up prior to Banes' death, or it may be someone using his name. This may have been cleared up if you were actually able to go back to Dr Michel and tell her that Banes is dead, but the plotline was left unfinished (which could indicate that it was just a sideplot that got forgotten)

I don't know why people keep bringing up TIM's eyes. Theres nothing to say that people besides TIM and Shepard don't have cybernetic upgrades to them, and they simply have the settings so that they're not visible, as with Shepard's implants where they can go from unable to be seen, to Terminatrix. Its just a character design quirk to make him look special, and stand out.

[Malysoun]

SLPr0 wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

SLPr0 wrote...
Chloe Michel herself could have been assigned to the Cerberus project for all we know. Which could be the previous posting she had before being "quietly let go" and set up on the Citadel.

I thought about that myself.  But if that was the case I wouldn't think that Dr.Chloe would have been forthcoming at all whenever you ask her about Banes in the medbay.  I think she would have pretended that she had never heard of Banes.

Well with that in mind she doesn't really tell you much about Banes either, other than the fact that Banes was a co-worker at her former posting who was aware of her "secret".

Issue is, I don't think shes being honest with you about what her "secret" was and I believe the "medical supplies" statement is simply code between the two referring to something they both know about, which is the beta Lazarus technology.

I mean maybe I'm putting a bit too much Warren Spector into this story, but I think Shepard's being used on all sides.  I have to check timelines though, its possible that the Cerberus "super soldier" project may predate Shepard's birth, and Shepard may be a by product of some of its work, thus Harbinger's deep interest in Shepard and attempting to obtain Shepard's body after the Normandy attack through the Shadow Broker and the Collectors, and Harbingers continued warnings in combat that if he "has to tear you apart, he will" indicating a reluctance, on Harbinger's part, to actually kill or destroy Shepard for some reason.

After checking the timeline fully, the date of Shepard's birth predates the First Contact War by a few years, unless Cerberus was well established in the Systems Alliance previous to the First Contact War, Shepard is not the product of any project or genetic manipulation, biotic abilities in Shepard class versions can be understood under the timeline due to eezo exposures that happened in 2154.

So that either drives Cerberus further back into the Systems Alliance history, or, removes Shepard as a product of Cerberus classified projects. Though if Shepard was a product of such classfied projects it would explain a lot in regards to why Cerberus is willing to pour so much of their resources into procuring the body and reanimating it after death due to decompression and atmospheric re-entry.

I think theres a lot of potential threads here that could go anywhere, I'm not sure if they're intentional or simply doors the writers at BioWare have in place to walk through if they need to.

I don't think it's entirely outside the realm of possibility that Shepard is the Cerberus super soldier.


2148 Prothean ruins on Mars
2151 Kaiden born - biotic, rumors of intentional eezo exposure (possibly linked to Cerberus)
2154 Shepard born - biotic character class can be selected
2156 Charon relay found
2157 First contact war, Cerberus Manifesto
2183 Mass Effect 1
2185 Mass Effect 2

The ruins were discovered, we developed mass effect drive cores, TIM as investor in CH aero has drive cores sabotaged causing Kaiden and other children (possibly Shepard) to develop as biotics, the relay was mentioned by notes in the ruins so it wasn't a big surprise.
We already knew about the Protheans, so it would be silly to assume we were alone and wouldn't find other races through the relay, while the manifesto didn't get released until after the war, we had to have known something like that could happen.
TIM strikes me as the type to prepare for it ahead of time, and use public reaction to gather support.
We know very little about the genetic modification soldiers receive, and what's stopping someone aside from a nasty letter from tweaking an individual beyond the standard augmentation?
In the Akuze case, who's to say Cerberus didn't do additional work on Shepard that we don't know about, it certainly appears they did things to Toombs.

[Discis1971]

I thought Banes was part of the scientist that Tombs was killing for doing experiments on him from the thresher maul.

[KnightDeDraco]

kraidy1117 wrote...

JMKnave wrote...

Banes = TIM or Shadow Broker? -shrugs-

I don't think SB can be human, as far as we can tell, SB has been in buisness before humans even met the council, unless SB is just a title and is given to the next person.

I still think that the SB is the Volus that gets really defensive when you ask him about the shadow broker in ME then starts spitting out rumors about how the SB is more than one person when pursued on his defensiveness.

[Raphael diSanto]

I like the theories. I don't really have any to contribute. But I will add my voice to the crowd that says "we hope BioWare doesn't leave this thread hanging."



Enquiring minds definitely want to know!

[Xaijin]

applehug wrote...

Hmm..... You can clearly see TIM eyes show signs of cybernetic implants so TIM may just be Banes.

I don't think it's a coincidence his eyes look like Husk eyes.

[Sneelonz]

You guys are crazy. There would be hints in ME2 if TIM was actually Banes.

Bioware most likely ran out of time to make the quest and abandoned it.

[Pacifien]

Your comment on the sanity of your fellow forumites from over 8 months ago is not necessary. Now use the more current thread currently ongoing for discussion of this topic found on the first page of the ME2 Campaigns and Storylines Forum.