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[MerinTB]

Avatar was a failure!

My proof?  I didn't like it!

[addiction21]

MerinTB wrote...

Avatar was a failure!

My proof?  I didn't like it!

But I liked it and your a big dumb smelly poopy head. Thats my proof.

Modifié par addiction21, 07 mars 2010 - 05:10 .

[ImperialOperative]

Avatar was like soggy pancakes.



I almost puked during the movie, but I was too busy fighting my tongue from suffocating me to end the pain and having my eyes roll out of my face.

[addiction21]

We should now talk about soggy pancakes.

[FreezaSama]

Captain Cornhole wrote...

Final Fantasy is a FAILURE, every one of there games is a failure!

Hm. Yes, that must be why they sell millions of copies. 

[Steve236]

Ill admit right here right now,that i am a big Final fantasy fan. In fact I still have my PS1 and super Nintendo just for the sake of playing final fantasy. But FF9 was the last true FF RPG,the past FF before 10 and so on had a lot more exploration,better villains and story,and a lot better character that didnt have a emotional break down after every boss battle.

[Baracuda6977]

/rage twitch



its a JRPG, they sell to JAPANESE ADOLESCENTS, you do not get to complain about their culture when they don't even need to sell it to you



how the hell does a sci-fi setting get old? they have iconic parts to it (airships, moogles and chocobos for example) but they make different worlds, maybe you don't like their recent worlds but do NOT lump them together as sci-fi settings are bad, they have infinitely more room than medieval settings



(ranting continues...)

[Fexelea]

OP's fail is hilarious.



You know, reviewers can say whatever they wish. It all comes down to sales. And sales, they are going to have more than plenty of.

[Busomjack]

Fexelea wrote...

OP's fail is hilarious.

You know, reviewers can say whatever they wish. It all comes down to sales. And sales, they are going to have more than plenty of.

Remember the Matrix sequels?  The Matrix Reloaded had excellent ticket sales despite it being a crap sequel because it rode the hype train of being the sequel to a critically acclaimed movie.  The third Matrix movie however did not gross nearly as high at the box office and the franchise effectively ceased to exist after that with the exception of some crappy MMORPG that lasted less than a year.

Final Fantasy XIII will probably sell reasonably well, but lack of quality will hurt the franchise in the future.  You can only be dissapointed so many times before you refuse to throw your money away.

Modifié par Busomjack, 08 mars 2010 - 12:30 .

[AlexDSR]

I bought FF XIII and i believe its more a movie than a game. As ive seen so for far the game is like cgi, battle (most are like 10 secs long, top was 4 mins) , walk in a straight line, cgi and the same thing again. No dialog options. Many will hate it but some will love it (maybe hehe). In my opinion ME2 is light years better than FF XIII. I always like playing western games cos they deliver you a realistic mature world to interact with freedom and consequences of your actions.

[insochris]

Busomjack wrote...

3.No more random encounters

these are a mixed bag for me. they keep you on your feet and add realism, but can also be ridiculously annoying. Fallout Tactics, i am talking to you (the first two Fallouts were bad at times, but Tactics was a random encounter every other second of travel on the world map).

also, the school grade analogy totally reminded me of the damn gifted students in high school. "Oh my god, i'm only getting 84%!" i shoulda said, "well, if you're going to be ungrateful about it, want my actual failing mark?"

[Busomjack]

AlexDSR wrote...

I bought FF XIII and i believe its more a movie than a game. As ive seen so for far the game is like cgi, battle (most are like 10 secs long, top was 4 mins) , walk in a straight line, cgi and the same thing again. No dialog options. Many will hate it but some will love it (maybe hehe). In my opinion ME2 is light years better than FF XIII. I always like playing western games cos they deliver you a realistic mature world to interact with freedom and consequences of your actions.

That is how I felt about Final Fantasy X.  I was hoping that maybe Final Fantasy XIII would have some exploration but I guess Square/Enix has decided that every Final Fantasy game from now on will either be like Final Fantasy X or a MMORPG.

[Fexelea]

Busomjack wrote...

Fexelea wrote...

OP's fail is hilarious.

You know, reviewers can say whatever they wish. It all comes down to sales. And sales, they are going to have more than plenty of.

Remember the Matrix sequels?  The Matrix Reloaded had excellent ticket sales despite it being a crap sequel because it rode the hype train of being the sequel to a critically acclaimed movie.  The third Matrix movie however did not gross nearly as high at the box office and the franchise effectively ceased to exist after that with the exception of some crappy MMORPG that lasted less than a year.

Final Fantasy XIII will probably sell reasonably well, but lack of quality will hurt the franchise in the future.  You can only be dissapointed so many times before you refuse to throw your money away.

How does the Matrix, which is a "movie-phenomenon" compare or become a moral equivalent to a "game-phenomenon". The two industries are radically different, the audiences and consumer habits are worlds appart, and the definition of "success" is also incredibly different. Unequal business models and target market means that comparisson is not applicable, as the reactions of one audience cannot be taken as model behavior for the other.

Your first post claims that the failure of Final Fantasy XIII is "official", based on selected reviews that are then filtered through your "84 is bad" meter. Two points:

1. Final Fantasy XIII's success is yet to be determined. It will be determined by sales and profitability, not by reviews.

2. You do not have approppriate sales numbers to make any "official" conclusion even if we were to accept any claim by some random person in the internetz as such.

 

[Busomjack]

Fexelea wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

Fexelea wrote...

OP's fail is hilarious.

You know, reviewers can say whatever they wish. It all comes down to sales. And sales, they are going to have more than plenty of.

Remember the Matrix sequels?  The Matrix Reloaded had excellent ticket sales despite it being a crap sequel because it rode the hype train of being the sequel to a critically acclaimed movie.  The third Matrix movie however did not gross nearly as high at the box office and the franchise effectively ceased to exist after that with the exception of some crappy MMORPG that lasted less than a year.

Final Fantasy XIII will probably sell reasonably well, but lack of quality will hurt the franchise in the future.  You can only be dissapointed so many times before you refuse to throw your money away.

How does the Matrix, which is a "movie-phenomenon" compare or become a moral equivalent to a "game-phenomenon". The two industries are radically different, the audiences and consumer habits are worlds appart, and the definition of "success" is also incredibly different. Unequal business models and target market means that comparisson is not applicable, as the reactions of one audience cannot be taken as model behavior for the other.

Your first post claims that the failure of Final Fantasy XIII is "official", based on selected reviews that are then filtered through your "84 is bad" meter. Two points:

1. Final Fantasy XIII's success is yet to be determined. It will be determined by sales and profitability, not by reviews.

2. You do not have approppriate sales numbers to make any "official" conclusion even if we were to accept any claim by some random person in the internetz as such.

 

It's because consumers are not stupid that they'll pay loyalty to a franchise that has continues to let them down.  There is a reason why the Final Fantasy brand is prestigious.  It's because the game has built up a good reputation since many of the games have been positive.  That reputation is not invincible though and Final Fantasy 13's dissapointing reception relative to other games in the series will hurt future Final Fantasy titles.

The fact that Final Fantasy XIII has recieved significantly lower critical acclaim than past titles proves it's a failure.  Keep in mind that this is not just a score of 8.3.  It is a score of 8.3 for a Final Fantasy game where often times reviewers feel pressure to mark up review scores due to pressure from corporate sponsors and rabid fanboyism.

The numbers have yet to come in but I have followed enough similar market trends to say confidently that Final Fantasy XIII is a failure.

[Mr.Skar]

From what I have read of player reviews (and one rather intense rant by Dom of Megatokyo) I will be holding off on buying FF13. That doesn't mean it'll be a failure, I'm sure the thing'll sell like gangbusters. Wait and see I guess.

[Kr0gan]

Captain Cornhole wrote...

... Square Enix also ruined Supreme Commander 2.

I'm sytill crying about that!

[Fexelea]

Busomjack wrote...

Fexelea wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

Fexelea wrote...

OP's fail is hilarious.

You know, reviewers can say whatever they wish. It all comes down to sales. And sales, they are going to have more than plenty of.

Remember the Matrix sequels?  The Matrix Reloaded had excellent ticket sales despite it being a crap sequel because it rode the hype train of being the sequel to a critically acclaimed movie.  The third Matrix movie however did not gross nearly as high at the box office and the franchise effectively ceased to exist after that with the exception of some crappy MMORPG that lasted less than a year.

Final Fantasy XIII will probably sell reasonably well, but lack of quality will hurt the franchise in the future.  You can only be dissapointed so many times before you refuse to throw your money away.

How does the Matrix, which is a "movie-phenomenon" compare or become a moral equivalent to a "game-phenomenon". The two industries are radically different, the audiences and consumer habits are worlds appart, and the definition of "success" is also incredibly different. Unequal business models and target market means that comparisson is not applicable, as the reactions of one audience cannot be taken as model behavior for the other.

Your first post claims that the failure of Final Fantasy XIII is "official", based on selected reviews that are then filtered through your "84 is bad" meter. Two points:

1. Final Fantasy XIII's success is yet to be determined. It will be determined by sales and profitability, not by reviews.

2. You do not have approppriate sales numbers to make any "official" conclusion even if we were to accept any claim by some random person in the internetz as such.

 

It's because consumers are not stupid that they'll pay loyalty to a franchise that has continues to let them down.  There is a reason why the Final Fantasy brand is prestigious.  It's because the game has built up a good reputation since many of the games have been positive.  That reputation is not invincible though and Final Fantasy 13's dissapointing reception relative to other games in the series will hurt future Final Fantasy titles.

The fact that Final Fantasy XIII has recieved significantly lower critical acclaim than past titles proves it's a failure.  Keep in mind that this is not just a score of 8.3.  It is a score of 8.3 for a Final Fantasy game where often times reviewers feel pressure to mark up review scores due to pressure from corporate sponsors and rabid fanboyism.

The numbers have yet to come in but I have followed enough similar market trends to say confidently that Final Fantasy XIII is a failure.

You are making assumptions. "Consumers are not stupid" is a gross generalization and an irrelevant remark.

• We do not know how consumers feel about Final Fantasy XIII yet.
• You have no sales number to prove a financial failure
• You do not have consumer feedback to prove dissapointment.

Final Fantasy XIII "metacritic" is at 82. How is that lower than the:

Xbox 360: Final Fantasy XI (2006) 66
Sony PSP: Final Fantasy Anniversary Edition (2007) 67
Wii: Final Fantasy IV: The After Years (2009) 69
Nintendo DS: Final Fantasy III (2006) 77
Sony PSP: Dissidia Final Fantasy (2009) 79
Playstation: Final Fantasy Origins (2003) 79
Playstation: Final Fantasy Anthology (1999) 80
GameCube: Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles (2004) 80

There are plenty of FF titles that don't even make it to the 80 mark. And the most highly rated titles are only 1 point above (Final Fantasy XII)

"Similar market trends"? And which might those be? If you want to position yourself as a marketing expert with insight into the gaming market and the particular target market of Final Fantasy games, then you should substantiate your opinion with facts.

Even if you were such expert, your opinion on what the future holds remains an opinion, and there is nothing "official" about it regarding the success or failure of a brand. You do not have any data to back up what remain as your assumptions.

[Chuck_Vu]

I used to like the FF series.  Until I started pen & paper RPGs, and western computer RPGs.  The fundimental differences between the three is enough to make me like FF and other JRPGs less and less.
Example, in most JRPGs you can't customize the main protagonists, apperance, stats, class/skills are locked.  You're lucky if you can rename him/her.  This typically is not the case in Western RPGs.
JRPGs are reletively linear in comparison to WRPGs.  As a pen & paper veteran I would say JRPGs are railroading RPGs, and really do not allow you to go off the rails or out of sequence.  WRPGs, are more flexible in this manner, many allow you to complete plot points in any order you choose.  Now I haven't played JRPGs since FF X, so things may have changed recently, but I suspect it hasn't.
I will say that FF has always a strong story line, but at the cost of flexibilty and options.  In Oblivion, for example, I could slaughter everyone in a village.  I have never had this option in any JRPG I've played.  Now there some WRPG that doesn't give this option either, but has been an options in several WRPGs as opposed to NONE of the JRPGs.
I could go on and on.  But I will NOT say FF XIII is a failure.  It's just not my cup of tea anymore.

Check these out, it covers the differences between the two much more eloquently then I could:
tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EasternRPG
tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WesternRPG

[I Valente I]

Busomjack wrote...

IGN only gave it a 8.3 while gamespot gave it an 8.5.

My top three favorite games this generation have gotten 8.5's from those sites. Mass Effect...8.5, Dragon Age xbox....8.5, Tales of Vesperia....8.5. Who cares what score it got? Honestly, are you that filled with fanboyism that you WANT it to be a bad game? Would you not rather have MORE good games, or are you happy with only having the games you want to be good get good scores?

FYI, Final Fantasy IX, THE best in my opinion, got a review of 8.5 from Gamespot....

[Darth-Mandalore]

I Valente I wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

IGN only gave it a 8.3 while gamespot gave it an 8.5.

My top three favorite games this generation have gotten 8.5's from those sites. Mass Effect...8.5, Dragon Age xbox....8.5, Tales of Vesperia....8.5. Who cares what score it got? Honestly, are you that filled with fanboyism that you WANT it to be a bad game? Would you not rather have MORE good games, or are you happy with only having the games you want to be good get good scores?

FYI, Final Fantasy IX, THE best in my opinion, got a review of 8.5 from Gamespot....

Diddnt Dragon Age PC get a 9.5 and Dragon Age PS3 get a 9? Anyway in my opinion even 8.5 is a bit high for a linear and cheesy JRPG melodrama in the form of a game. The previous Final Fantasy games dont deserve the high scores they got either.

[AshedMan]

It's official. This game isn't released in NA yet.

[Fexelea]

AshedMan wrote...

It's official. This game isn't released in NA yet.

Lol

[Panderfringe]

Anything short of an absolutely perfect score is an abysmal failure! It should crash and burn! The developers should be castrated and lined up against the bloodstained wall!

[Chained_Creator]

Busomjack wrote...
It's official, Final Fantasy XIII is a failure.
IGN only gave it a 8.3 while gamespot gave it an 8.5.

Nice logical fallacy you have going on there, OP. I applaud you for it.

Modifié par Chained_Creator, 08 mars 2010 - 04:32 .

[Busomjack]

Fexelea wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

Fexelea wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

Fexelea wrote...

OP's fail is hilarious.

You know, reviewers can say whatever they wish. It all comes down to sales. And sales, they are going to have more than plenty of.

Remember the Matrix sequels?  The Matrix Reloaded had excellent ticket sales despite it being a crap sequel because it rode the hype train of being the sequel to a critically acclaimed movie.  The third Matrix movie however did not gross nearly as high at the box office and the franchise effectively ceased to exist after that with the exception of some crappy MMORPG that lasted less than a year.

Final Fantasy XIII will probably sell reasonably well, but lack of quality will hurt the franchise in the future.  You can only be dissapointed so many times before you refuse to throw your money away.

How does the Matrix, which is a "movie-phenomenon" compare or become a moral equivalent to a "game-phenomenon". The two industries are radically different, the audiences and consumer habits are worlds appart, and the definition of "success" is also incredibly different. Unequal business models and target market means that comparisson is not applicable, as the reactions of one audience cannot be taken as model behavior for the other.

Your first post claims that the failure of Final Fantasy XIII is "official", based on selected reviews that are then filtered through your "84 is bad" meter. Two points:

1. Final Fantasy XIII's success is yet to be determined. It will be determined by sales and profitability, not by reviews.

2. You do not have approppriate sales numbers to make any "official" conclusion even if we were to accept any claim by some random person in the internetz as such.

 

It's because consumers are not stupid that they'll pay loyalty to a franchise that has continues to let them down.  There is a reason why the Final Fantasy brand is prestigious.  It's because the game has built up a good reputation since many of the games have been positive.  That reputation is not invincible though and Final Fantasy 13's dissapointing reception relative to other games in the series will hurt future Final Fantasy titles.

The fact that Final Fantasy XIII has recieved significantly lower critical acclaim than past titles proves it's a failure.  Keep in mind that this is not just a score of 8.3.  It is a score of 8.3 for a Final Fantasy game where often times reviewers feel pressure to mark up review scores due to pressure from corporate sponsors and rabid fanboyism.

The numbers have yet to come in but I have followed enough similar market trends to say confidently that Final Fantasy XIII is a failure.

You are making assumptions. "Consumers are not stupid" is a gross generalization and an irrelevant remark.

• We do not know how consumers feel about Final Fantasy XIII yet.
• You have no sales number to prove a financial failure
• You do not have consumer feedback to prove dissapointment.

Final Fantasy XIII "metacritic" is at 82. How is that lower than the:

Xbox 360: Final Fantasy XI (2006) 66
Sony PSP: Final Fantasy Anniversary Edition (2007) 67
Wii: Final Fantasy IV: The After Years (2009) 69
Nintendo DS: Final Fantasy III (2006) 77
Sony PSP: Dissidia Final Fantasy (2009) 79
Playstation: Final Fantasy Origins (2003) 79
Playstation: Final Fantasy Anthology (1999) 80
GameCube: Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles (2004) 80

There are plenty of FF titles that don't even make it to the 80 mark. And the most highly rated titles are only 1 point above (Final Fantasy XII)

"Similar market trends"? And which might those be? If you want to position yourself as a marketing expert with insight into the gaming market and the particular target market of Final Fantasy games, then you should substantiate your opinion with facts.

Even if you were such expert, your opinion on what the future holds remains an opinion, and there is nothing "official" about it regarding the success or failure of a brand. You do not have any data to back up what remain as your assumptions.

Consumers are not stupid is relevant.  Consumers are what drive the industry and hype can only sell a title lacking in quality for so long.  I don't have the numbers but reviews of the game strongly indicate that this game brings the series to a new low.  Simple put, Final Fantasy has jumped the shark.
When I said lowest of all the Final Fantasies, I meant of the main titles.  Not the spin offs.  I guess I didn't consider Final Fantasy XI.  I hardly even consider that a main game in the series but fine.

I think I have already explained what I meant when I said similar market trends.  I was referring to how a game that falls below expectations, even slightly will make anticipation for the next entry in the franchise significantly less.  That is why the third Matrix movie fell well below expectations in terms of sales.
What I am saying is obviously my opinion, but I think past evidence brings enough merit to my opinion that I can safely say that it is a strong one.