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[Wrath of Bong]

I'm going to act like one of those hardcore FFXIII fanboys that defend the game to death: 

It's those reviewers fault for giving FFXIII a low score!!!! They have an anti-bias towards JRPGs! If FFXIII was Tolkienesque or space marine/star wars RPG they would give it at least 90%. The western reviewers always give JRPGs low scores. I'm soooo angry, I'm going off to watch Naruto marathon!

PS Don't read any reviews for past FF games like FFVII to FFX, FFXII, Xenogears and Chronocross, as they are not interesting, I heard...

MerinTB wrote...

If you haven't read it (and you care to) I think this is a pretty awesome review of the game:

http://www.gamesrada...715115627250082

Is it awesome because it got a perfect score? IMO, the review wasn't all that great. When the reviewers finds some obvious faults with FFXIII, she just tells fans to "deal with it." I did like her pro- violence on women. Don't like FFXIII, you get a pop in the mouth. LOL.

[MerinTB]

Wrath of Bong wrote...
I'm going to act like one of those hardcore FFXIII fanboys that defend the game to death: 

Hmm.  An ad hominem attack.  How provactive.

Wrath of Bong, the logical fallacy prince.  Let's see if you can work your way up to king of the logical fallacies.

[The Angry One]

FFXIII bored me to tears.

[JHorwath]

I wonder how much a FFXIII game will have in trade in value after it's been around for a bit? I would guess about $1 or $2.



Why don't you bums try Resonance of Fate?  Or, our you scared you can't handle the game?

Modifié par JHorwath, 23 mars 2010 - 01:13 .

[Wrath of Bong]

MerinTB wrote...

Wrath of Bong wrote...
I'm going to act like one of those hardcore FFXIII fanboys that defend the game to death: 

Hmm.  An ad hominem attack.  How provactive.

Wrath of Bong, the logical fallacy prince.  Let's see if you can work your way up to king of the logical fallacies.

A prince? Whoa, too much pressure. I'm just happy to be a jester.

[ramdog7]

Im im not a fanboy but i thought FFXii was good, slow burn but it picks up.

[Ryzaki]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Since when are Final Fantasy Characters  Video game characters in general not archetypal and overacted? This is part of what I like about the series most of the time.

Fix'd.

[UBER GEEKZILLA]

wow your kidding me right..acording to vgcharts..ff13 has sold 3 million copies..how does a crappy linear rpg about girly teenagers who act like emo 3 year olds outsell a phenomanal game like mass effect 2..the gamming community these days is very dissapointing

[Ragnadaam]

UBER GEEKZILLA wrote...

wow your kidding me right..acording to vgcharts..ff13 has sold 3 million copies..how does a crappy linear rpg about girly teenagers who act like emo 3 year olds outsell a phenomanal game like mass effect 2..the gamming community these days is very dissapointing

Mass Effect 2 isn't all that nonlinear itself,environments are small and most places you only go through once and then *poof* [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png[/smilie] they are gone forever.....Besides welcome to the world of opinions some people like games like FFXIII,visit some final fantasy message boards and you will see this.

Modifié par Ragnadaam, 23 mars 2010 - 12:38 .

[UBER GEEKZILLA]

i have and its pathetic...how can they possibly think a dude with a chicken living in his afro is a badass

[Wrath of Bong]

When you are starving, you'll be thankful you have a chicken living in your hair. After you fatten it up, of course. Like Chinese food, if you eat that chocobo chick right now, you'll just be hungry again in a hour.

[Wrath of Bong]

Ragnadaam wrote...

Mass Effect 2 isn't all that nonlinear itself,environments are small and most places you only go through once and then *poof* [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png[/smilie] they are gone forever.....Besides welcome to the world of opinions some people like games like FFXIII,visit some final fantasy message boards and you will see this.

While ME2 isn't as non-linear and environments aren't as big as the first, it's king of all non-linear games compared to FFXIII. I suppose you just need to grind through 20-25 hours of the game to get to Gran Pulse where you can do some exciting monster hunts. Just 20-25 hours, no big deal.

Modifié par Wrath of Bong, 23 mars 2010 - 01:03 .

[SithLordExarKun]

UBER GEEKZILLA wrote...

wow your kidding me right..acording to vgcharts..ff13 has sold 3 million copies..how does a crappy linear rpg about girly teenagers who act like emo 3 year olds outsell a phenomanal game like mass effect 2..the gamming community these days is very dissapointing

Because most hardcore FF fans are weaboo's and there are alot of weaboo's.

I don't hate Final Fantasy but i hate FFXIII.
FFVII,FFVIII,FFX,FFXI online and FFXII Were much better games.

By the way this is by far the most accurate non biased review there is so far, take a look  http://www.destructo...ii-167136.phtml

[JHorwath]

and american Idol has like ten bazillion viewers? Ya, really?

[Fexelea]

SithLordExarKun wrote...
Because most hardcore FF fans are weaboo's and there are alot of weaboo's.

I don't hate Final Fantasy but i hate FFXIII.
FFVII,FFVIII,FFX,FFXI online and FFXII Were much better games.

By the way this is by far the most accurate non biased review there is so far, take a look  http://www.destructo...ii-167136.phtml

I really don't think that someone who self-describes as a proffessional troll can be singled as an non-biased reviewer. Besides the fact that all reviews are biased by default.

[SithLordExarKun]

Fexelea wrote...

SithLordExarKun wrote...
Because most hardcore FF fans are weaboo's and there are alot of weaboo's.

I don't hate Final Fantasy but i hate FFXIII.
FFVII,FFVIII,FFX,FFXI online and FFXII Were much better games.

By the way this is by far the most accurate non biased review there is so far, take a look  http://www.destructo...ii-167136.phtml

I really don't think that someone who self-describes as a proffessional troll can be singled as an non-biased reviewer. Besides the fact that all reviews are biased by default.

Yet his reviews out of all the reviews was the most accurate and critical, at least in my point of view.

[Fexelea]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Fexelea wrote...

SithLordExarKun wrote...
Because most hardcore FF fans are weaboo's and there are alot of weaboo's.

I don't hate Final Fantasy but i hate FFXIII.
FFVII,FFVIII,FFX,FFXI online and FFXII Were much better games.

By the way this is by far the most accurate non biased review there is so far, take a look  http://www.destructo...ii-167136.phtml

I really don't think that someone who self-describes as a proffessional troll can be singled as an non-biased reviewer. Besides the fact that all reviews are biased by default.

Yet his reviews out of all the reviews was the most accurate and critical, at least in my point of view.

You can see his review as accurate, others will not. Saying it is unbiased is not realistic.

[MerinTB]

SithLordExarKun wrote...
By the way this is by far the most accurate non biased review there is so far, take a look  http://www.destructo...ii-167136.phtml

I read the first couple paragraphs, realized it was going to be "one of those" reviews (as in the kind of review that made me hate game magazines) and decided that, maybe, I might be biased so I clicked on the reviewer's name to see the kind of other articles he wrote.

Yep.  Not the kind of guy who's opinion I give a damn about.

But if the review speaks to you, more power to you.

Maybe these reviews will suit others better -
http://gameinformer....t-a-savior.aspx

every aspect of the gameplay is precision-tuned to deliver the most
technically impressive title in Final Fantasy history... I am
surprised to report that combat is the greatest triumph of FF XIII.
Square Enix has overhauled the concept of battle, focusing more on
guiding the tactical flow of the fight rather than each character’s
specific actions on a turn-by-turn basis. The result is a kinetic,
fast-paced system that stands out as my favorite in the series....For years, gamers have had visions of this title as
an industry-transforming epiphany, but no game could possibly live up to
such astronomical expectations. That’s no reason to lose faith; though
reality doesn’t match the myth, Final Fantasy XIII is a phenomenal RPG
destined to be remembered as a technical milestone for the series.

http://www.1up.com/d...cId=3178230&p=4

FFXIII is ambitious and daring, not to mention gorgeous and energetic.
It approaches the concept of "role-playing games" with ruthless
pragmatism, lopping off hunks of RPG tradition like a doctor operating
on a terminally gangrenous patient. Traditional towns are too difficult
to manage in light of the demands of current technology and art design?
Whack -- they're gone. Free-roaming exploration too difficult to
implement properly? Chop -- there goes the nonlinearity. Micromanaging
turn-based combat bogs down the pacing of battles? Snip -- let the AI
handle it....On paper, these cuts make FFXIII sound awful: The total abandonment of
everything that fans enjoy about the series. And in some ways, it does
turn its back on fans, or at least the ones who see Final Fantasy as
the standard-bearer for console role-playing games. If the quality of a
sequel is defined by how effectively it iterates on its predecessor,
this surely stands as one of the worst sequels ever....In practice, however, FFXIII is far from awful. It's unquestionably a
huge departure for the series, but taken on its own merits, it works. If
the quality of a game is defined by how well it lays down a series of
objectives and proceeds to fulfill them (traditions be damned), FFXIII
is an unqualified success. Yes, it abandons a great many RPG traditions,
but it does so in the name of creating a highly focused experience. The
elements it abandons are features Final Fantasy has rarely done as well
as the competition, while the components it retains are the ones Final
Fantasy does best.

You compare those writing styles to someone who writes -

If you don't want to see somebody tear this game limb from limb, or are
upset by videogame review in general, then you should definitely not
read it....This review is not for them. This review might not be for anybody.
Well, unless they hate Final Fantasy XIII. 
Yes, this is going to be one of those reviews....Even by Final Fantasy standards, the story is absolutely
absurd. Let that sink in for a moment. The game is absurd by Final
Fantasy standards!
The story is terrible, but the dialog is worse. An average
conversation in Final Fantasy XIII goes like this: "Pulse,
Cocoon, L'sie, Fal'sie, Focus, Focus, Focus." Over and over again, the
same stupid words. If you can get to the end of this 30+ hour saga and
not be sick of those words, you're a strong man indeed. I wanted to
vomit after just an hour of it.

Yeah, I don't care if that guy was praising a game I liked or hating on a game I disliked, that style of reviewing, to use the reviewers own crude vernacular, "makes me want to vomit."

[SithLordExarKun]

You were cherry picking and comparing the best written paragraph of two other reviewers to the absolute worst in the one i posted. Maybe you should actually post the paragraphs which weren't so badly written, such as this one.

Final Fantasy XIII has perhaps one of the worst introductions a Japanese RPG has ever had. Square Enix thought it would be a good idea to not tell the player what is happening, and as a result, the first ten hours of the game feels like a conversation that the player has stumbled in on halfway through. All the characters know what's going on, and talk as if the player should know, leading to a very alienating narrative that ensures the player never truly connects with it. When you finally do work out who is who and what's going on, however, you'll wish the game had stayed so vague.

Or The worst crime committed by Final Fantasy XIII's narrative, however, is the total lack of impetus provided to care. There's no depth to anything or anyone, and as a result, the player has no reason to be involved. Why should the player care about saving Cocoon, when Cocoon isn't fleshed out in any way? With only the occasional glimpse at Cocoon's society and culture, we have no motivation for saving it. The characters talk about saving their world as if it's important, but to the player, Cocoon's just a series of random locations awkwardly mashed together. Their hatred of various characters, and their empathy toward others, mean nothing to the player. Villains and allies are introduced and then forgotten by the in the space of a few minutes. Characters go on huge emotional spiels that mean nothing because the game doesn't want to waste time making that emotion mean anything, and huge amounts of dramatic FMV are wasted because Square Enix didn't pace the game properly and build to the game's many climactic moments properly.

So if you ever want to "compare writing styles", don't go cherry picking. Thats like trying to compare two models and you cherry pick the worst possible picture of one model and then compare it to the best possible picture for the next.


And how does one with better "writing skill" equate to having a superior and universal opinion?(This is something you seem to imply)

MerinTB wrote...

I read the first couple
paragraphs, realized it was going to be "one of those" reviews (as in
the kind of review that made me hate game magazines) and decided that,
maybe, I might be biased so I clicked on the reviewer's name to see the
kind of other articles he wrote.

Yep.  Not the kind of guy who's
opinion I give a damn about.

Here's what confuses me, you say you don't give a damn about his opinion, yet you check out his other reviews and then try to compare his supposed horrid writing skills to other biased reviews. Wait, weren't you the guy that  disagreed and defended FFXIII in the other thread i created?

Modifié par SithLordExarKun, 23 mars 2010 - 03:59 .

[Wrath of Bong]

Girls, girls, girls! I got a solution. How about the reviewer (whoever it is) post his/her review, whether it's yay or nay for FFXIII then you the reader, have an option to choose the score for the game. People who liked FFXIII is not going to give it a low score regardless what the review said, while people who hated the game, won't give it a high score, no matter how many praises the review had. So there, you're welcome.

[JHorwath]

Wrath of Bong wrote...

Girls, girls, girls! I got a solution. How about the reviewer (whoever it is) post his/her review, whether it's yay or nay for FFXIII then you the reader, have an option to choose the score for the game. People who liked FFXIII is not going to give it a low score regardless what the review said, while people who hated the game, won't give it a high score, no matter how many praises the review had. So there, you're welcome.

Well said!

[MerinTB]

SithLordExarKun wrote...
You were cherry picking and comparing the best written paragraph of two other reviewers to the absolute worst in the one i posted. Maybe you should actually post the paragraphs which weren't so badly written, such as this one.

I won't say you couldn't call it cherry-picking - I did pull out the sentences and paragraphs I found immature.

However, you are mistaking writing proficiency with writing style.  Let me define what I mean:

writing proficiency - how well written, grammatically, a piece of writing is
writing style - the type of content and tone of the piece of writing

The two reviews I quoted from were mature, analytical and explanatory.  There was no name-calling, there was no hyperbolic exaggerations, there was no mocking, there wasn't the sense that the target audience were 13 year old boys.

The review you linked to was full of hyperbole, made many over-the-top claims, and tried to be "entertaining" in the style of "if I hate on this game you'll like my review."  The reviewer says as much at the start of the review - I quoted him explaining the style his review would be written in.

So if you ever want to "compare writing styles", don't go cherry picking. Thats like trying to compare two models and you cherry pick the worst possible picture of one model and then compare it to the best possible picture for the next.
And how does one with better "writing skill" equate to having a superior
and universal opinion?(This is something you seem to imply)

I hope above I showed where you misunderstood what I was looking at.

Here's what confuses me, you say you don't give a damn about his opinion, yet you check out his other reviews and then try to compare his supposed horrid writing skills to other biased reviews. Wait, weren't you the guy that  disagreed and defended FFXIII in the other thread i created?

What I meant was as I started reading that FF XIII review I saw that his style of reviewing was the kind I dislike.  Doesn't make his review right or wrong, just means I don't enjoy that kind of negative reviewing style.
Then I considered that I could be judging his style solely because it was attacking a game I liked - I tried to take into account personal bias.  So to be fair to the guy, I clicked on his name to peruse other things he wrote to see if he always wrote like that.  And from the few things I skimmed, yes, his writing style is what I don't like.  That's all that meant.  I don't know where you were going with that, but whatever.

Do you mean the thread you created that was locked due to it being the upteenth "hate on FF XIII" thread?  Yes, I happened to get a post in there before it was locked.
I am surprised your next "what's the most overrated game" thread was not deemed too similiar to the other "what are the most overrated and underrated games" thread, as apparently to Stanley Woo THAT is not similar at all:?


It's clear you don't like FF XIII, and that's fine.  I think it's clear I like it.  We can trade reviews and state reasons why we feel one way or another, but how about we dial back and try not to make it personal? :innocent:

Modifié par MerinTB, 23 mars 2010 - 06:31 .

[SithLordExarKun]

^ Point taken. Sorry if i seemed a little rude but no worries, nothings personal.

[Fexelea]

Nooooo! I feel cheated!

I demand you stop this mature reactions immediately and engage in a never ending flame war for my entertainment!

I had already made popcorn...



just kidding!

[SithLordExarKun]

Oh don't worry about that, whenever i argue with either a certain someone in this forum(i cannot name him as he relentlessly stalks me), it always turns into a **** fest where everyone enjoys the show.