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[thisisme8]

Athenau wrote...

If you're just going to use the Vindicator at medium range and above, why not just use the Viper, which is superior in every way for sniping?

Viper might outdamage the Widow in terms of damage per reload...  not sure.  Does anyone know?  Heightened Adrenaline Rush + Viper is pretty good.  Honestly though, I don't have a problem with headshots on the Revenant, at least not while in rush mode...  if I remember to use it.

[dietrichrieper]

love the revenant, I always play light machine gunner, or support gunner in any first or third person shooter, and thats what the revenant is, a hell of a lot of fire power which will bite you in the arse if your not carefull.

finished the game on insanity, used the rev as my main gun and only if enemies are very far away i used my sniper rifle, on other occasion just use burst fire its suprisingly accurate if you conrtol your fire.

[Athenau]

Viper might outdamage the Widow in terms of damage per reload... not sure. Does anyone know? Heightened Adrenaline Rush + Viper is pretty good. Honestly though, I don't have a problem with headshots on the Revenant, at least not while in rush mode... if I remember to use it.

Viper is the highest dps sniper rifle in the game. Outside of close range it's probably the highest dps _weapon_ (well outside of heavy weps of course) in the game.

[ushir666]

I LOVE THE REVENEANT!!1.... cause its just coool like that

[Atmosfear3]

Revenant is like the ultimate avenger, I don't get how that could even be a question.



Also I'll have to agree, I'm not a fan of the vindicator myself. It is strong, no doubt about that but the ammo capacity is just pitiful.

[thisisme8]

Atmosfear3 wrote...

Revenant is like the ultimate avenger, I don't get how that could even be a question.

Also I'll have to agree, I'm not a fan of the vindicator myself. It is strong, no doubt about that but the ammo capacity is just pitiful.

I just went and re-did Horizon, once with the Vindicator and once with the Avenger.  I have to admit, I like the damage of the Vindicator, but the Avenger just suits me better.  Much better.

[Athenau]

The Vindicator enforces a very passive playstyle since you have to be so focused on conserving ammo. So you stay back and snipe from cover all the time, since rushing in means less time for aiming and more missed shots.

I experimented with giving the Vindicator more ammo and it played much better. The right numbers seems to be 50% or so, with 6 spare mags (144 rounds) it seemed to hit the sweet spot between having to pay attention to ammo, and being able to play fast and loose when you need to.

[Thompson family]

Another Rev fan here, but I'll admit that the big reason is the adequate ammo supply -- something of a compensator for so-so shooting.



I can see where good shots who do their own killing would prefer a more accurate gun. However, a good squad tactic is to use the Rev and disruptor ammo to strip away barriers. This leaves enemies very vulnerable to squad weapons and biotics. I put my squadmates behind cover, get out in front with a sniper rifle and the Rev. Quickly soften up a target with a few bursts then have a squadmate blast it.



Once you have fully upgraded inferno ammo too, the Rev simply rules.

[implodinggoat]

Athenau wrote...

If you're just going to use the Vindicator at medium range and above, why not just use the Viper, which is superior in every way for sniping?

Ha the Viper can't touch the Vindicator.  The Vindicator does way more damage than the Viper and you can switch to a new target way quicker which allows you to gun down multiple targets with just one use of Adrenaline rush.  I've personally used the Vindicator to take down three fully armored Vorcha on insanity before my Adrenaline Rush wore off,  you'd only get one with the Viper.

Besides by skipping on the Revenant, I have the unholy terror which is the Widow strapped to my back.  The Viper is a popgun compared to that beast.

[implodinggoat]

Athenau wrote...

Viper is the highest dps sniper rifle in the game. Outside of close range it's probably the highest dps _weapon_ (well outside of heavy weps of course) in the game.

You're just wrong on that one my friend, if you're good with the Vindicator you can get way more DPS out of it than the Viper and as far as sniper rifles go, the Viper isn't even in the same league as the Widow.

http://masseffect.wi...onry_Comparison

[implodinggoat]

Athenau wrote...

The Vindicator enforces a very passive playstyle since you have to be so focused on conserving ammo. So you stay back and snipe from cover all the time, since rushing in means less time for aiming and more missed shots.
I experimented with giving the Vindicator more ammo and it played much better. The right numbers seems to be 50% or so, with 6 spare mags (144 rounds) it seemed to hit the sweet spot between having to pay attention to ammo, and being able to play fast and loose when you need to.

The Vindicator enforces a very realistic play style in that a veteran soldier knows to stay in cover and pick off his enemy.   They have a word in the military for guys who like to rush in guns blazing, they call them "dead".

The only downside is how much time I waste searching the battlefield for ammo.   I really wish the game would just automatically give me all the ammo in the immediate area (up to the point that I have a full supply for all my guns obviously) after I drop the last enemy and exit combat (the point at which you can save your game) .  

Modifié par implodinggoat, 07 mars 2010 - 07:05 .

[Athenau]

You're just wrong on that one my friend, if you're good with the Vindicator you can get way more DPS out of it than the Viper and as far as sniper rifles go, the Viper isn't even in the same league as the Widow.
http://masseffect.wi...onry_Comparison

That page is wrong. It assumes that you're going to hold the trigger down to fire the Viper, which is retarded. Tap the trigger and you get four rounds per second out of it. The Viper does 81 damage per shot. You do the math (I already have).
The Vindicator can't touch the Viper at range.

The Vindicator enforces a very realistic play style in that a veteran soldier knows to stay in cover and pick off his enemy. They have a word in the military for guys who like to rush in guns blazing, they call them "dead".

You're seriously using "realism" as an argument? Please
Playing with the Vindicator is boring. You don't play like a soldier, you play like an accountant. It's dumb.

Modifié par Athenau, 07 mars 2010 - 07:07 .

[Spyndel]

implodinggoat wrote...



The Vindicator enforces a very realistic play style in that a veteran soldier knows to stay in cover and pick off his enemy.   They have a word in the military for guys who like to rush in guns blazing, they call them "dead".

That's their fault for not making effective use of shields and slo motion implants.

Modifié par Spyndel, 07 mars 2010 - 07:07 .

[Sarevok Anchev]

Spyndel wrote...

implodinggoat wrote...



The Vindicator enforces a very realistic play style in that a veteran soldier knows to stay in cover and pick off his enemy.   They have a word in the military for guys who like to rush in guns blazing, they call them "dead".

That's their fault for not making effective use of shields and slo motion implants.

My thought

[Orfinn]

Im no fan of the Vindi/Battle/Combat rifle. It feels like an hybrid of an AR and Sniper Rifle. The only thing that justify the VC is the low ammo and messy CC and short range abilities. No give me GPR to tear those shields and barriers down for then to rip em apart with my Carnifex and shotgun

[ToshiStation38]

I love the Vindicator, and I love the Widow too much to go for the Revenant. I got it on my first playthrough and it just didn't work for my playstyle, and I didn't even know an accuracy upgrade existed at that time.

[padaE]

I don't know what AR I like the most. I was playing with the Vindicator and it's very useful. Precise and deadly, it was headshot after headshot. But now I got the Revenant and it's awesome. I don't have to worry about ammo, it's fully automatic, and more.

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I have to play a full game with each, starting from al equal level 30 soldier to decide which is better for me.

[implodinggoat]

[quote]Athenau wrote...

That page is wrong. It assumes that you're going to hold the trigger down to fire the Viper, which is retarded. Tap the trigger and you get four rounds per second out of it. The Viper does 81 damage per shot. You do the math (I already have).
The Vindicator can't touch the Viper at range.
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Thats a good point about pulsing the trigger; but have you tried pulsing the trigger on the Vindicator?  You can get a pretty obscene rate of fire with that sucker.   I think the problem with all these  DPS estimates is that there are so many variables and no definitive means of how to weigh them.  All  I'll say is that in my experience, I'm more lethal with the Vindicator.  Clearly, you think you're more lethal with the Viper.  All either of us can determine is which gun we feel is more effective for us.    I like the Viper, particularly since you can aim it at nearly anything, keep firing uninterupted and be certain that its going to drop before you have to change the clip.  Ultimately the reason I prefer the Vindicator is because I can switch to a new target quicker than I can with a scoped weapon.  Ultimately its a matter of taste so lets just agree to disagree.

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The Vindicator enforces a very realistic play style in that a veteran soldier knows to stay in cover and pick off his enemy. They have a word in the military for guys who like to rush in guns blazing, they call them "dead".[/quote]

You're seriously using "realism" as an argument? Please
Playing with the Vindicator is boring. You don't play like a soldier, you play like an accountant. It's dumb.[/quote]
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Not an argument, merely a reason why I prefer the Vindicator, not a reason why EVERYONE should prefer the Vindicator.  Its a matter of taste not a matter of right and wrong.

Modifié par implodinggoat, 07 mars 2010 - 09:06 .

[RE0305]

I only use the Avanger, it's the coolest assault rifle out there, looks cool and sounds cool. Its got great ammo capacity, its reliable and has a great range-damage-rate of fire- accuracy ratio.



I love the Avanger.

[Arde5643]

padaE wrote...

I don't know what AR I like the most. I was playing with the Vindicator and it's very useful. Precise and deadly, it was headshot after headshot. But now I got the Revenant and it's awesome. I don't have to worry about ammo, it's fully automatic, and more.
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I have to play a full game with each, starting from al equal level 30 soldier to decide which is better for me.

If the vindicator has twice the ammo, the advantage will definitely go to the vindicator since at times it performs better with headshots than the viper.

However, with the vindicator's crap ammo count, revenant is just much better.

[padaE]

Arde5643 wrote...

padaE wrote...

I don't know what AR I like the most. I was playing with the Vindicator and it's very useful. Precise and deadly, it was headshot after headshot. But now I got the Revenant and it's awesome. I don't have to worry about ammo, it's fully automatic, and more.
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I have to play a full game with each, starting from al equal level 30 soldier to decide which is better for me.

If the vindicator has twice the ammo, the advantage will definitely go to the vindicator since at times it performs better with headshots than the viper.

However, with the vindicator's crap ammo count, revenant is just much better.

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I wouldn't say ammo is a nightmare with the Vindicator but it's definitely a concern. As I said, I will start to test both when I have time. I want to play again with a Vanguard and give the Claymore one more chance, just as I did with the Revenant. 

[cxensign]

The Vindicator makes a superb secondary weapon, but the ammo capacity really hurts it as a primary weapon.  On any class but the Soldier the Vindicator does exactly what I want it to do.  On a Soldier, though, it definitely pushes you into playing more like a sniper; you can't use it as your go-to weapon.  The Avenger doesn't impress me, but it definitely works better than the Vindicator as a primary weapon.

[Besetment]

I'm a total Widow monkey when it comes to Infiltrator but I've been Soldiering on Insanity for a while now and honestly, I think Revenant is probably the best gun in the game. The accuracy arguements don't matter. If you miss then you ain't close enough.


Both Revenant and Viper have better synergy with Adrenaline Rush. Widow has a very long reload in time dilation and if you have played Infiltrator then you may even take it for granted that Infiltrators can have time dilation without the negative effect on reload time.

Widow Soldier is good too, don't get me wrong but I just think that if you wan't to play to the strengths of the class Viper/Revenant is the way to go. Vindicator is nice but getting stuck behind cover and taking pot shots at baddies is just meh. With all the +storm speed and +time dilation you have so many means of getting closer to enemies than any other class without getting shot to pieces that you really need a good excuse to be hiding behind a crate like a pansy.

Modifié par Besetment, 07 mars 2010 - 11:11 .

[JaegerBane]

implodinggoat wrote...
Thats a good point about pulsing the trigger; but have you tried pulsing the trigger on the Vindicator?  You can get a pretty obscene rate of fire with that sucker.   I think the problem with all these  DPS estimates is that there are so many variables and no definitive means of how to weigh them.  All  I'll say is that in my experience, I'm more lethal with the Vindicator.  Clearly, you think you're more lethal with the Viper.  All either of us can determine is which gun we feel is more effective for us.    I like the Viper, particularly since you can aim it at nearly anything, keep firing uninterupted and be certain that its going to drop before you have to change the clip.  Ultimately the reason I prefer the Vindicator is because I can switch to a new target quicker than I can with a scoped weapon.  Ultimately its a matter of taste so lets just agree to disagree.

I'm not really sure you could ever use the word 'obscene' in a discussion about the Vindicator's rate of fire. The gun has damage and accuracy going for it, but with a 24 round clip it just isn't something that can handle lots of targets.

That said, I think Althenau's point is less what you should prefer and more what the actual data says. You may claim that you're more deadly using the Vindicator but there's nothing in the maths that would support that. I'm not really sure why the Vindicator allows you to switch targets faster. I can understand the argument that the scope reduces your peripheral awareness but I'm not really sure that equates to any real disadvantage. In order for the Vindicator to compare with the Revenant it has to be used to a frankly unrealistic level of headshot rate, and the Viper is a just a better weapon for head shotting, both by itself and because of upgrades.

Not an argument, merely a reason why I prefer the Vindicator, not a reason why EVERYONE should prefer the Vindicator.  Its a matter of taste not a matter of right and wrong.

I have to admit goat, when I read that point I did raise an eyebrow. I don't think you've really explained why the Vindicator makes this emphasis any differently to any other weapon, to be honest. It's not like the Vindicator is the only gun in the game that rewards accuracy.