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[NKKKK]

Cause you're all making conspiracy theories for the lulz despite the fact that in game dialogue fmo both games have stated otherwise.

Cerberus is separate from the Alliance currently.

[MTN Dew Fanatic]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

MTN Dew Fanatic wrote...

NKKKK wrote...

no

Why?

Why wouldn't anybody tell Kahoku,"Hey, don't do that. You're going to kill Alliance Operatives."? Also, why does Cerberus kill Alliance soldiers?

[Zulu_DFA]

Game dialogue during the intended last plot converstation have stated, that Humanity and Cerberus are one and the same. Which means that, provided Cerberus and the Alliance are separate from each other, the Alliance is also separate from Humanity.

[Zulu_DFA]

MTN Dew Fanatic wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

MTN Dew Fanatic wrote...

NKKKK wrote...

no

Why?

Why wouldn't anybody tell Kahoku,"Hey, don't do that. You're going to kill Alliance Operatives."? Also, why does Cerberus kill Alliance soldiers?

That would blow up all the secrecy.

Kahoku was dealt with.

As for soldiers, You mean Akuze, right? The project which Cerberus ran on behalf of the Alliance?

There are, you know, ruthless people, who grab the political power and think that it's soldiers' job to die where ordered.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 02 juillet 2010 - 12:33 .

[MTN Dew Fanatic]

[quote]NKKKK wrote...

Cause you're all making conspiracy theories for the lulz despite the fact that in game dialogue fmo both games have stated otherwise.
Cerberus is separate from the Alliance currently.[/quote]

[Zulu_DFA]

MTN Dew Fanatic wrote...

NKKKK wrote...

Cause you're all making conspiracy theories for the lulz despite the fact that in game dialogue fmo both games have stated otherwise.
Cerberus is separate from the Alliance currently.[/quote]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Game dialogue during the intended last plot converstation have stated, that Humanity and Cerberus are one and the same. Which means that, provided Cerberus and the Alliance are separate from each other, the Alliance is also separate from Humanity.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 02 juillet 2010 - 12:51 .

[didymos1120]

Zulu_DFA wrote...
 It does have a parliament, but that doesn't tell us much about how democratic it is.

The side-quest involving a guy campaigning for a seat in parliament who asks for your vote, however, does.  It's a representative democracy.  How seats are apportioned and what voting system is used are unknown, but individual citizens get to cast ballots. 

[Zulu_DFA]

didymos1120 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...
 It does have a parliament, but that doesn't tell us much about how democratic it is.

The side-quest involving a guy campaigning for a seat in parliament who asks for your vote, however, does.  It's a representative democracy.  How seats are apportioned and what voting system is used are unknown, but individual citizens get to cast ballots. 

And the elaborate requirements necessary to meet to be able to cast a vote suggest that the system is discriminative, rather than representative.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 02 juillet 2010 - 01:01 .

[MTN Dew Fanatic]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

MTN Dew Fanatic wrote...

NKKKK wrote...

Cause you're all making conspiracy theories for the lulz despite the fact that in game dialogue fmo both games have stated otherwise.
Cerberus is separate from the Alliance currently.[/quote]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Game dialogue during the intended last plot converstation have stated, that Humanity and Cerberus are one and the same. Which means that, provided Cerberus and the Alliance are separate from each other, the Alliance is also separate from Humanity.

How does that work out?

[Zulu_DFA]

MTN Dew Fanatic wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

MTN Dew Fanatic wrote...

NKKKK wrote...

Cause you're all making conspiracy theories for the lulz despite the fact that in game dialogue fmo both games have stated otherwise.
Cerberus is separate from the Alliance currently.[/quote]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Game dialogue during the intended last plot converstation have stated, that Humanity and Cerberus are one and the same. Which means that, provided Cerberus and the Alliance are separate from each other, the Alliance is also separate from Humanity.

How does that work out?

By logic.

Game dialogue: Cerberus = Humanity
Game dialogue: Cerberus =/= Alliance
Conclusion: Alliance =/= Humanity

* = for "one and the same"
  =/= for "separate from"

Do I make myself clear?

[lazuli]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Game dialogue during the intended last plot converstation have stated, that Humanity and Cerberus are one and the same. Which means that, provided Cerberus and the Alliance are separate from each other, the Alliance is also separate from Humanity.

So you believe everything The Illusive Man says?  You believe that because he says Cerberus is humanity, it is?

[MTN Dew Fanatic]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

MTN Dew Fanatic wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

MTN Dew Fanatic wrote...

NKKKK wrote...

Cause you're all making conspiracy theories for the lulz despite the fact that in game dialogue fmo both games have stated otherwise.
Cerberus is separate from the Alliance currently.[/quote]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Game dialogue during the intended last plot converstation have stated, that Humanity and Cerberus are one and the same. Which means that, provided Cerberus and the Alliance are separate from each other, the Alliance is also separate from Humanity.

How does that work out?

By logic.

Game dialogue: Cerberus = Humanity
Game dialogue: Cerberus =/= Alliance
Conclusion: Alliance =/= Humanity

* = for "one and the same"
  =/= for "separate from"

Do I make myself clear?

The Codex clearly staes: "The Alliance is the government and military of humanity beyond Sol."

[MTN Dew Fanatic]

MTN Dew Fanatic wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

MTN Dew Fanatic wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

MTN Dew Fanatic wrote...

NKKKK wrote...

Cause you're all making conspiracy theories for the lulz despite the fact that in game dialogue fmo both games have stated otherwise.
Cerberus is separate from the Alliance currently.[/quote]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Game dialogue during the intended last plot converstation have stated, that Humanity and Cerberus are one and the same. Which means that, provided Cerberus and the Alliance are separate from each other, the Alliance is also separate from Humanity.

How does that work out?

By logic.

Game dialogue: Cerberus = Humanity
Game dialogue: Cerberus =/= Alliance
Conclusion: Alliance =/= Humanity

* = for "one and the same"
  =/= for "separate from"

Do I make myself clear?

The Codex clearly states: "The Alliance is the government and military of humanity beyond Sol."

[Zulu_DFA]

MTN Dew Fanatic wrote...

MTN Dew Fanatic wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

MTN Dew Fanatic wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

MTN Dew Fanatic wrote...

NKKKK wrote...

Cause you're all making conspiracy theories for the lulz despite the fact that in game dialogue fmo both games have stated otherwise.
Cerberus is separate from the Alliance currently.[/quote]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Game dialogue during the intended last plot converstation have stated, that Humanity and Cerberus are one and the same. Which means that, provided Cerberus and the Alliance are separate from each other, the Alliance is also separate from Humanity.

How does that work out?

By logic.

Game dialogue: Cerberus = Humanity
Game dialogue: Cerberus =/= Alliance
Conclusion: Alliance =/= Humanity

* = for "one and the same"
  =/= for "separate from"

Do I make myself clear?

The Codex clearly states: "The Alliance is the government and military of humanity beyond Sol."

Oh really? Then it means that ...

[didymos1120]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...
 It does have a parliament, but that doesn't tell us much about how democratic it is.

The side-quest involving a guy campaigning for a seat in parliament who asks for your vote, however, does.  It's a representative democracy.  How seats are apportioned and what voting system is used are unknown, but individual citizens get to cast ballots. 

And the elaborate requirements necessary to meet to be able to cast a vote suggest that the system is discriminative, rather than representative.

That doesn't alter the fact that citizens vote for representatives, which is all that matters when classifying the form of government.  Whether or not the voting laws are models of perfection or not is irrelevant.

[didymos1120]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Game dialogue during the intended last plot converstation have stated, that Humanity and Cerberus are one and the same. Which means that, provided Cerberus and the Alliance are separate from each other, the Alliance is also separate from Humanity.

That's called a figure of speech. Specifically, it's metonymy. It also happens to be TIM's opinion, not incontrovertible fact.

[MTN Dew Fanatic]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

MTN Dew Fanatic wrote...

MTN Dew Fanatic wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

MTN Dew Fanatic wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

MTN Dew Fanatic wrote...

NKKKK wrote...

Cause you're all making conspiracy theories for the lulz despite the fact that in game dialogue fmo both games have stated otherwise.
Cerberus is separate from the Alliance currently.[/quote]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Game dialogue during the intended last plot converstation have stated, that Humanity and Cerberus are one and the same. Which means that, provided Cerberus and the Alliance are separate from each other, the Alliance is also separate from Humanity.

How does that work out?

By logic.

Game dialogue: Cerberus = Humanity
Game dialogue: Cerberus =/= Alliance
Conclusion: Alliance =/= Humanity

* = for "one and the same"
  =/= for "separate from"

Do I make myself clear?

The Codex clearly states: "The Alliance is the government and military of humanity beyond Sol."

Oh really? Then it means that ...

I'm detecting a plothole in your logic.

Modifié par MTN Dew Fanatic, 02 juillet 2010 - 01:30 .

[ADLegend21]

Cerberus WAS the black ops of the Alliance until they broke away and became their own Organization led by the Illusive man. That's why the council nor the alliance trust them because they did infact go rogue and the alliance couldn't stop them and that's why most of your crew is Ex-alliance.

[Zulu_DFA]

MTN Dew Fanatic wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

MTN Dew Fanatic wrote...

MTN Dew Fanatic wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

MTN Dew Fanatic wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

MTN Dew Fanatic wrote...

NKKKK wrote...

Cause you're all making conspiracy theories for the lulz despite the fact that in game dialogue fmo both games have stated otherwise.
Cerberus is separate from the Alliance currently.[/quote]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Game dialogue during the intended last plot converstation have stated, that Humanity and Cerberus are one and the same. Which means that, provided Cerberus and the Alliance are separate from each other, the Alliance is also separate from Humanity.

How does that work out?

By logic.

Game dialogue: Cerberus = Humanity
Game dialogue: Cerberus =/= Alliance
Conclusion: Alliance =/= Humanity

* = for "one and the same"
  =/= for "separate from"

Do I make myself clear?

The Codex clearly states: "The Alliance is the government and military of humanity beyond Sol."

Oh really? Then it means that ...

I'm detecting a plothole in your logic.

Would you be so kind to show me where?

BTW, logic can't be mine or yours or anyone's. It's "the logic".

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 02 juillet 2010 - 02:07 .

[GreenDragon37]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Game dialogue during the intended last plot converstation have stated, that Humanity and Cerberus are one and the same. Which means that, provided Cerberus and the Alliance are separate from each other, the Alliance is also separate from Humanity.

TIM is saying that out of arrogance. Like a metaphor. It's like a bad guy yelling how he is "The Sumpreme God of the Universe, and all must bend to my will!"

That is how TIM is basically saying it. TIM is displaying arrogance. However it is also a figure of speach.

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 02 juillet 2010 - 02:09 .

[Zulu_DFA]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Cerberus WAS the black ops of the Alliance until they broke away and became their own Organization led by the Illusive man. That's why the council nor the alliance trust them because they did infact go rogue and the alliance couldn't stop them and that's why most of your crew is Ex-alliance.

Why would they break away?

[Clover Rider]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Cerberus WAS the black ops of the Alliance until they broke away and became their own Organization led by the Illusive man. That's why the council nor the alliance trust them because they did infact go rogue and the alliance couldn't stop them and that's why most of your crew is Ex-alliance.

Why would they break away?

They are like evil dude .

[GreenDragon37]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Cerberus WAS the black ops of the Alliance until they broke away and became their own Organization led by the Illusive man. That's why the council nor the alliance trust them because they did infact go rogue and the alliance couldn't stop them and that's why most of your crew is Ex-alliance.

Why would they break away?

Conflicts of interests.

[MTN Dew Fanatic]

[quote]Zulu_DFA wrote...

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[quote]Zulu_DFA wrote...

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[quote]Zulu_DFA wrote...

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[quote]NKKKK wrote...

Cause you're all making conspiracy theories for the lulz despite the fact that in game dialogue fmo both games have stated otherwise.
Cerberus is separate from the Alliance currently.[/quote]
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[quote]Zulu_DFA wrote...

Game dialogue during the intended last plot converstation have stated, that Humanity and Cerberus are one and the same. Which means that, provided Cerberus and the Alliance are separate from each other, the Alliance is also separate from Humanity.[/quote]
[/quote]
How does that work out?
[/quote]

By logic.

Game dialogue: Cerberus = Humanity
Game dialogue: Cerberus =/= Alliance
Conclusion: Alliance =/= Humanity

* = for "one and the same"
  =/= for "separate from"

Do I make myself clear?[/quote]
The Codex clearly states: "The Alliance is the government and military of humanity beyond Sol."[/quote]
[/quote]

Oh really? Then it means that ...[/quote]
I'm detecting a plothole in your logic.[/quote]

Would you be so kind to show me where?

BTW, logic can't be mine or yours or anyone's. It's "the logic".[/quote]

Modifié par MTN Dew Fanatic, 02 juillet 2010 - 02:15 .

[MTN Dew Fanatic]

The new bolded parts.

Modifié par MTN Dew Fanatic, 02 juillet 2010 - 02:12 .