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[Shayaryn]

I finished the vanilla game twice before I used any non-cosmetic mods. I mostly use clothing mods, and yes, some of the stats are over-powered, but there's a lower stat version, too, and you know what? I don't care. I already beat the game. I want some pretty stuff. I also use a mod that adds runes to bows and rebalances archery, for the PC and enemies. Fights against enemy archers are usually SCATTERSCHOT SCATTERSHOT SCATTERSHOT. That ability is really cheap. Is it a cheat? No. But it's overpowered. Same with Arrow of Slaying and Mana Clash. And Stealth, too. Stealth is way overpowered. It can be done anywhere, regardless of lighting, and it's easy to kill multiple enemies at a time with grenades without being seen.

I don't know why some console users, as well as some PC users, think mods are cheats. Some are, but not all. Changing character face morphs to realistic proportions isn't cheating. Nor is retexturing the female Dalish armor to make it look like it might offer some protection. New hair styles and eye tetures aren't cheating. And after some time, the vanilla gear gets really boring to look at, especially for rogues. Some mods are bug fixes; the Ancient Elven Boots can only be added through mods or the console for PC users.

Dragon Age is meant to be modded. If it wasn't, there would be no Toolkit.

Besides, without mods, my character wouldn't look like this:

Modifié par Shayaryn, 08 mars 2010 - 06:01 .

[Pen Dragon]

Eurypterid wrote...

Pen Dragon wrote...

No ones achieving anything if they use a mod for example making themselves over powerful for example. Achievements are are suppose to be a challange to either prove skill, patients or dedication. If someone cheats I see it as they have no right to claim to have earned an achievemnt when they haven't.

But how does it affect you if someone gets their achievements by 'cheating'? They have no real value or meaning, so it doesn't make any difference how they get them.

They have no physical value no but I pride myself on doing well when I unlock one as I've accomplished something.  I push myself harder or put myself through something I really don't enjoy doing sometimes. For the end gratifaction of unlocking an achievement, but it's all for nothing if someone else also gets that same achievement by cheating. 

I guess If there wasn't achievements on show in our profiles I wouldn't be bothered. 

Modifié par Pen Dragon, 08 mars 2010 - 06:01 .

[Eurypterid]

Pen Dragon wrote...

They have no physical value no but I pride myself on doing well when I unlock one as I've accomplished something.  I push myself harder or put myself through something I really don't enjoy doing sometimes. For the end gratifaction of unlocking an achievement, but it's all for nothing if someone else also gets that same achievement by cheating. 

I guess If there wasn't achievements on show in our profiles I wouldn't be bothered. 

My point is though, that you know you 'earned' it. Why do you care if someone else 'cheated' to get it? It doesn't affect how you got your own achievements.

[Mordaedil]

Pen Dragon.



You just admitted that you care about your e-peen. I am a naked elf, your argument is void.

[soteria]

a dog as a 5th member cheating? Really? then I might aswell call the revive undead spell cheating, because it's the same thing

Uh, yeah. Dog is really quite powerful. Raise Dead doesn't even begin to compare. Call it cheating, or not, but it does make the game easier.



Combat tweaks also makes the game easier. Sure, Nightmare Plus makes it harder, but the combat tweaks mod has a number of changes that make the player and companions significantly more powerful. It's not that I think they're bad changes, in fact, I agree with a lot of them, but you're lying to yourself if you don't think combat tweaks makes the player more powerful.

[krylo]

All else aside, because I honestly don't care if people cheat:

Eurypterid wrote...

There is no cheating in a single player game.

Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Select, Start

Modifié par krylo, 08 mars 2010 - 10:06 .

[The_Abyss]

krylo wrote...

All else aside, because I honestly don't care if people cheat:

Eurypterid wrote...

There is no cheating in a single player game.

Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Select, Start

At the start screen press Up, Down, Left, Right, when you hear the ring sound, press A+Start.

[krylo]

The_Abyss wrote...

krylo wrote...

All else aside, because I honestly don't care if people cheat:

Eurypterid wrote...

There is no cheating in a single player game.

Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Select, Start

At the start screen press Up, Down, Left, Right, when you hear the ring sound, press A+Start.

At the title screen press A, B, B, A, C, A, B and you should hear a tone.  Once you go into your game, go to your menu and scroll down past the bottom option, there should be an invisible selection.  This will allow you to get free karma, upgrade your cyberdeck, get nuyen, increase walk speed, or give yourself other advantages.

[The_Abyss]

krylo wrote...

The_Abyss wrote...

krylo wrote...

All else aside, because I honestly don't care if people cheat:

Eurypterid wrote...

There is no cheating in a single player game.

Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Select, Start

At the start screen press Up, Down, Left, Right, when you hear the ring sound, press A+Start.

At the title screen press A, B, B, A, C, A, B and you should hear a tone.  Once you go into your game, go to your menu and scroll down past the bottom option, there should be an invisible selection.  This will allow you to get free karma, upgrade your cyberdeck, get nuyen, increase walk speed, or give yourself other advantages.

In a single player game, press Enter and type "It is a good day to die" for invisibility.

[Curlain]

People actually care about the achievements, really?

[Sabriana]

Not me, Curlain. I have no clue what mine are, I care so little I'm not even motivated enough to check the folder. I don't play on-line, not even a SP game. That's why there is little to no info on my game-progress. I never play on-line, ever. What and how I play is no-one's business but mine.

There are things in the game that give achievements I would never do on any play-through. So I don't. And guess what? I do it because I can.

[ftrwar]

ok i been gaming since i was a kid im 33 now. this a single player game cheating is ok & wont hurt anyone. if this was an mmo or a vs game it MIGHT be different. but i seen instances where i used a game genie (yes im that old) to beat certain games to see the alt endings if there was one or just to beat a stage i was having trouble with. that being said, cheats were actually put into some games back in the day. casual games cheat sometimes because they cant spend the time at the pc or console. im one of those. i beat da on my 360 sold it then bought it for pc. now im rushing thru it & i really dont mind using op items in the process. just to kill a bit faster.granted im rushing thru i already forgot lienna (or whatever her name is) this goround. idk bout cheating unless im in competition. really thats the only time it matters

[e-ver]

Pen Dragon wrote...

If people want to ruined a great game with cheats it's up to them. I'll never use any kind of mod as I'm a purest and the only add extra content I'll uses is official content. I won't even use cosmetic mods. I think if any mod is being used all achievement unlocking should be disabled.

Absolutely! They shouldn't be allowed to save their games either. I mean, if they cheat by adding a new hairstyle, they should definitely be punished by being forced to start a new game everytime they have to leave their computer. And no expansion for mod users either! Only players who enjoy DA:O in its pure form are allowed to install Awakening -  after all, only they have proven their worth as gamers!

[/sarcasm]

[Norman Ellis]

i really don't care how you play your game. why should you care about how i play mine?



it's as simple as that really.

[mousestalker]

In a single player game I do what I must because I can.



Soteria pointed out that there is at least one mod that makes the game harder. If installing a mod that puts a party chest in the camp makes me a cheater, then I'm a cheater. That I installed it to reduce the number of trips I make and thus reduce the number of times I stare at the loading screen (curse you memory leak!) is irrelevant, I reckon.



By the same logic, mods that fix bugs (like missing ancient elven boots) are cheating. Mods that allow new colour options are cheating. That such things add greatly to the replayability of the game is, I suppose, irrelevant.



You may call me a dirty, rotten cheater if you wish. But I remain unmoved by such language. I like my character having vibrant red hair and green eyes that pop.

[nos_astra]

I'm using mods and cheats for fun and (with a stretch of imagination) roleplaying reasons. Really.

My warriors should be able to bash a door or a chest open, now they can. I'm using hairstyles, tints and tones that fill my girlish heart with joy and I'm cheating on money, especially for game mechanics like upgrading armor or when my clever human noble snatched a bag with about 100 sovereigns before she left her home for good. I'm using dialogue tweaks and patches that repair the broken dialogue flags.



I'm a terrible cheater. Punish me.

[fluffyamoeba]

My character's hair makes the game so much easier to finish :innocent:

[mosspit]

Same here

[Mlai00]

I'm a terrible cheater. Punish me.

How would you like to be punished, m' dear?

[Sabriana]

Allerleihrau wrote...

Pen Dragon wrote...

If people want to ruined a great game with cheats it's up to them. I'll never use any kind of mod as I'm a purest and the only add extra content I'll uses is official content. I won't even use cosmetic mods. I think if any mod is being used all achievement unlocking should be disabled.

Absolutely! They shouldn't be allowed to save their games either. I mean, if they cheat by adding a new hairstyle, they should definitely be punished by being forced to start a new game everytime they have to leave their computer. And no expansion for mod users either! Only players who enjoy DA:O in its pure form are allowed to install Awakening -  after all, only they have proven their worth as gamers!

[/sarcasm]

True Allerleihrau, once again you hit the nail on the head. Bugfixes? If you are a pure gamer, you live with them. We can't have you do something other's can't/won't do. No, no.

This is ridiculous. If I wish to see how fast I can speed through a game, then I will. If I want to respec then I will do that to (and I do, because they didn't do it to my liking.)

Dialogue tweaks fixes many bugs, especially end-game bugs. I will defend my right to fix my game to the death (well, not really to the death, but is sounds so nicely dramatic)

I love funky haircolors, I love the skin-tints and eyecolors. I'm not giving up my party chest, and I am not giving up the 'remove the rings under the chars' mod either.

OK, so the boots, the rings, the amulets, and the dagger are a bit overpowered, but I still.... Oh. Wait. Those are official DLC. Sorry, my bad.

Unless and until the video-game purity police shows  up on my doorstep and arrests me for tweaking games to my liking, I'll continue doing so.

[ModerateOsprey]

As a lover of mods, I was going to post a reply to this, but then decided against it

[traversc]

I basically agree with Sloth. Guys, DA:O is not just a single player RPG, it's a "Massively Single-Player RPG." The "massively" part means interaction with other people (if only looking at other's profiles) is meant to be an intrinsic part of the game. That means achievements are meant to be worth something.

Silverman explained that Dragon Age was being set up to present the scale of an epic RPG, a scale as grand as an MMO but without some of the annoyances of strangers bumping into you. Instead, he said, secret plans were underway at EA and dev studio BioWare to find ways to connect communities of players. He told me to imagine things like players being able to be aware of each other's feats in the game (he used killing a tough ogre as an example of such an accomplishment).

http://kotaku.com/53...ngle player-rpg



That means that anything mod that makes the game easier is by definition a cheat. Respec, extra dog slot, advanced tactics, fast stealing. Since all of these mods give you a direct advantage in unlocking achievements, they are cheats. The argument that it doesn't affect anyone else is void since they were obviously meant to mean something and be displayed to other people.

[Sloth Of Doom]

RoninOmega wrote...

Respec mod is a function in various games to change your stats, mass effect 2 allows for respecialization, also, awakening is going to have the same feature, it isn't cheating

Wait....so your argument is that if you can do it in one game then doing it in another game isn't cheating?    In fallout 3 there is a nuclear warhead launcher, that means adding one in DAO isn't cheating then, right?   Your logic is.....non existent.   The option is not included in the game.  Adding the option makes your characters more powerful.   Adding something to a game to make your characters more powerful is pretty much the definition of cheating.

a dog as a 5th member cheating?  Really?  then I might aswell call the revive undead spell cheating, because it's the same thing

How in the hell is an already existing spell the same thing as modifying the game to have more party members than you could originally have?   That is like saying that using magic bolt is the same thing as adding a spell that kills everything on the scren with one click.  Another failure at common sense.

Lock bash is kind of cheating I can agree to a certain extent, but you do run the risk of actually destroying the items inside, not all chances are getting them successfully, some tries can fail, and either way, a rogue can do it all for you with no hassle, so it's not considered a cheat if you haven't noticed

  Just because your cheat has negative possibilities doesn't mean it isn't cheating.  I can sneak the second card from a deck instead of taking the top card and that is cheating, right?  What if the second card was worse than the top one?  Now it isn't cheating?   By the maker man, every argument you make fails more and more.

extra tactics can be cheating, but then again, it's just expanding the gameplay, it's not gamebreaking and actually implements well with the game, so I don't consider it a cheat

Extra tactics is something that you need to put points into to get, by adding them for free you are CHEATING.  You see, you are taking something pre-existing in the game and giving it to yourself.   It is the same thing as giving yourself
 50 free points at start up, or adding all the spells in the game to your level 3 mage, or making it so that your rogue starts with level 4 lockpick, stealth and pickpocket..   All of those 'expand the gameplay' in the same way, they add functions to the game that your character would not normally have at their level

Have you even used these mods?

Have YOU?

Seriously, go look up logic in the dictionary.  Maybe take a class.   Learn to apply it to life, it will help you out a lot.  Your arguments are the equivalent to sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming "lalalalala can't hear you" I don't give a crap if you cheat or not, but screaming "I'M NOT CHEATING" while injecting lead into your dice doesn't make it so.

[Cuthlan]

Eurypterid wrote...

Pen Dragon wrote...

If people want to ruined a great game with cheats it's up to them. I'll never use any kind of mod as I'm a purest and the only add extra content I'll uses is official content. I won't even use cosmetic mods. I think if any mod is being used all achievement unlocking should be disabled.

Once again, your idea of cheating is not the same as someone else's . I don't personally care about the achievements either, but it's pretty bold of you to say they should be locked if someone decides to use a mod in a game that's actually designed with mod usage as an intended part of the game experience.

I feel that cheating is cheating. Altering the game to give yourself an advantage you wouldn't have otherwise had = cheating.

That said... it's a single-player game. I really don't mind a bit what someone else does in their own game. I cheat sometimes as well, usually giving myself gold in followup playthroughs to have a little more fun. And I'm not ashamed of it, neither should anyone else be.

Now, cheating in a multiplayer game to get an advantage over other players... those people need a firehose enema.

[k9medusa]

Eurypterid wrote...

Pen Dragon wrote...

If people want to ruined a great game with cheats it's up to them. I'll never use any kind of mod as I'm a purest and the only add extra content I'll uses is official content. I won't even use cosmetic mods. I think if any mod is being used all achievement unlocking should be disabled.

Once again, your idea of cheating is not the same as someone else's . I don't personally care about the achievements either, but it's pretty bold of you to say they should be locked if someone decides to use a mod in a game that's actually designed with mod usage as an intended part of the game experience.

People can play
the game in way they want too, but one item that bugs me is the unlock
all achievements cheat, because when it upload to this site, it makes hard
to tell who have earn the "right" and those that have not. Since I
have not finish the game yet, I do have the "right" to see
information that might spoiler the game, so I avoid that part of the forums for
now. Well, that is my 2 cents worth...  Achievements  is good in the way that gives people ideas to replay the game or have some goals....