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[Chained_Creator]

Lol, "This movie was horrible, I knew what was going on and the special effects were fantastically amazing."



Totally agree with you, OP.

[The Grey Ranger]

The plot was very predictable. The characters were so very stereotypical. The visuals were stunning.



Overall the visuals were the only thing going for it. The whole concept of a primitive non-spacefaring race defeating an opponent that controls the gravity well is blah. Encounter too much resistance, don't send the bulldozers, drop a rock on it. The whole concept of having to use the "avatars" is ridiculous. If the mineral is present on the planet, unless it is an extra solar capture, it should be present elsewhere in the system.



Also a giant robot pulls a knife, please. I found the whole humanity is evil trope to be very heavy handed. As for the whole white man evil concept that strays a little to close to politics for the bio forums. So I won't go there.

[ObserverStatus]

The "America is evil" theme didn't bother me as much as the forced pantheism. I couldn't help cracking up during the speech about how the big bad humans killed their mother.

[Mr.Skar]

bobobo878 wrote...

The "America is evil" theme didn't bother me as much as the forced pantheism. I couldn't help cracking up during the speech about how the big bad humans killed their mother.

That was the only part of the whole "nature is AWESOME" (it is pretty neat btw) theme that bothered me. No way did any Earth culture ever have a connection with, well, the Earth like the Na'vi do with Pandora. Trying to make it seem otherwise felt a bit like reaching to me.

[Crippledcarny]

I just can't wait for Avatar 2 when the US government finds out some freaky blue monkey kids slaughtered some contractors and shipped everyone else off world. Man you know it's going to be great to see those primitive aliens enslaved by an actual military force. IN 3D!

[ObserverStatus]

Why? It would be easier just to nuke the Hanar tree and send people in hazmat suits to collect the unobtainium.

[Giantevilhead]

Avatar 2 will probably be a good movie since James Cameron won't be spending all his time perfecting the special effect and will actually work on the script. We might even get something close to the quality of Terminator or Aliens.

[Gandalf-the-Fabulous]

Giantevilhead wrote...

Avatar 2 will probably be a good movie since James Cameron won't be spending all his time perfecting the special effect and will actually work on the script. We might even get something close to the quality of Terminator or Aliens.

Are you kidding me? Avatar 2 (if they decide to make it) will suck harder than a hoover on steroids. When James Cameron made Avatar he left little to no room for a sequel, what the hell are they going to do? Have the humans return to finish the job? Maybe a prequel could work but it would still feel like an excuse to milk a successful franchise.

[Giantevilhead]

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

Giantevilhead wrote...

Avatar 2 will probably be a good movie since James Cameron won't be spending all his time perfecting the special effect and will actually work on the script. We might even get something close to the quality of Terminator or Aliens.

Are you kidding me? Avatar 2 (if they decide to make it) will suck harder than a hoover on steroids. When James Cameron made Avatar he left little to no room for a sequel, what the hell are they going to do? Have the humans return to finish the job? Maybe a prequel could work but it would still feel like an excuse to milk a successful franchise.

Terminator wasn't made with a sequel in mind either. In fact, they were kind of lucky with the low budget since earlier versions of the script included scenes that pretty much stated outright that the whole movie was a predestination paradox but they didn't have the time or money to film them.

[Busomjack]

If there is anything James Cameron is good at it's sequels.



Terminator 2? Aliens? Both awesome movies that surpassed the originals.



That being said however, I can't really enjoy a sequel if I hated the original movie. I would be skeptical of a Avatar 2 even with James Cameron's proven sequel making skills.

[amrose2]

I'm sick of people defending this movie with: "But the effects were amazing!" So were the effects in the new Star Wars movies. It means nothing when the acting / plot / everything else is ****.



If you are one who says "It was great because of the 3D" think of how much more amazing the experience would have been if the story and everything behind the effects were worth a ****.

[Gandalf-the-Fabulous]

Busomjack wrote...

If there is anything James Cameron is good at it's sequels.

Terminator 2? Aliens? Both awesome movies that surpassed the originals.

That being said however, I can't really enjoy a sequel if I hated the original movie. I would be skeptical of a Avatar 2 even with James Cameron's proven sequel making skills.

Terminator 2? Terminator 2 is rubbish, they sent arnie back in time to protect John Connor and in the end they managed to prevent the war from happening, but if the war never happened then John Connor would never have been born and they wouldnt need to send back a robot to protect him, but if John Connor was never born and a robot was never sent back to protect him then they wouldnt have been able to prevent the war and thus the war would happen anyway.

Of course we learn in Terminator 3 that they never actually did prevent the war from happening and instead delayed it but then the movie was pig swill and was just an excuse to bring back a sucessful movie franchise.

[Busomjack]

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

If there is anything James Cameron is good at it's sequels.

Terminator 2? Aliens? Both awesome movies that surpassed the originals.

That being said however, I can't really enjoy a sequel if I hated the original movie. I would be skeptical of a Avatar 2 even with James Cameron's proven sequel making skills.

Terminator 2? Terminator 2 is rubbish, they sent arnie back in time to protect John Connor and in the end they managed to prevent the war from happening, but if the war never happened then John Connor would never have been born and they wouldnt need to send back a robot to protect him, but if John Connor was never born and a robot was never sent back to protect him then they wouldnt have been able to prevent the war and thus the war would happen anyway.

Of course we learn in Terminator 3 that they never actually did prevent the war from happening and instead delayed it but then the movie was pig swill and was just an excuse to bring back a sucessful movie franchise.

You're right that there is a huge time paradox.  Almost all movies involving time travel have them.  Had Terminator 2 not been such an outstanding movie I probably would not have been able to overlook this plot hole.  Since it is however, I can forgive it.

[Giantevilhead]

amrose2 wrote...

I'm sick of people defending this movie with: "But the effects were amazing!" So were the effects in the new Star Wars movies. It means nothing when the acting / plot / everything else is ****.

If you are one who says "It was great because of the 3D" think of how much more amazing the experience would have been if the story and everything behind the effects were worth a ****.

The effects are worthy of note because you don't just dismiss the hard work of hundreds of people just because the director and writers screwed up. That's like blaming the factory workers when a car company goes bankrupt because of mismanagement by the company execs.

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

If there is anything James Cameron is good at it's sequels.

Terminator 2? Aliens? Both awesome movies that surpassed the originals.

That
being said however, I can't really enjoy a sequel if I hated the
original movie. I would be skeptical of a Avatar 2 even with James
Cameron's proven sequel making skills.

Terminator 2?
Terminator 2 is rubbish, they sent arnie back in time to protect John
Connor and in the end they managed to prevent the war from happening,
but if the war never happened then John Connor would never have been
born and they wouldnt need to send back a robot to protect him, but if
John Connor was never born and a robot was never sent back to protect
him then they wouldnt have been able to prevent the war and thus the
war would happen anyway.

Of course we learn in Terminator 3 that
they never actually did prevent the war from happening and instead
delayed it but then the movie was pig swill and was just an excuse to
bring back a sucessful movie franchise.

Except they didn't prevent the war unless you were watching the cut ending.
These were the last lines of the film: "The unknown future rolls toward us. I face it, for the first time, with a sense of hope. Because if a machine, a Terminator, can learn the value of human life, maybe we can too."
The only thing that really changed was Sarah Connor's perception of the future. Whereas at the end of the first film, Sarah was certain that the war will happen, at the end of the second film, she was only hopeful that it might not happen.

[ObserverStatus]

50 years from now the Avatar's special effects will be obsolete. For a movie to be enduring, it needs good acting and writing.

[Busomjack]

bobobo878 wrote...

50 years from now the Avatar's special effects will be obsolete. For a movie to be enduring, it needs good acting and writing.

it's hard to argue with this.  A movie needs more than good special effects to stand the test of time.

[Giantevilhead]

bobobo878 wrote...

50 years from now the Avatar's special effects will be obsolete. For a movie to be enduring, it needs good acting and writing.

Except that Avatar was not created as a movie to stand the test of time. It's more like the Ford Model T or the Motorola DynaTAC of 3D movies. It's contribution to the art of film making is not in its story but in its technology.

Avatar marks the beginning of a new era in film making, it's like the transition between silent films to talkies or from black and white to color. The first talkies and first color movies were not great movies because people didn't know how to really make full use of the new technology to tell good stories. It took directors, writers, editors, cinematographers, make up artists, costume designers, etc., time to adjust to the new technology before they were able to consistently make good movies.

[Gandalf-the-Fabulous]

Giantevilhead wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

50 years from now the Avatar's special effects will be obsolete. For a movie to be enduring, it needs good acting and writing.

Except that Avatar was not created as a movie to stand the test of time. It's more like the Ford Model T or the Motorola DynaTAC of 3D movies. It's contribution to the art of film making is not in its story but in its technology.

Avatar marks the beginning of a new era in film making, it's like the transition between silent films to talkies or from black and white to color. The first talkies and first color movies were not great movies because people didn't know how to really make full use of the new technology to tell good stories. It took directors, writers, editors, cinematographers, make up artists, costume designers, etc., time to adjust to the new technology before they were able to consistently make good movies.

Yeah because Avatar was the first 3D movie to be made just like Halo was the first FPS ever made AMIRITEGUYZ?

[Giantevilhead]

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

Giantevilhead wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

50 years from now the Avatar's special effects will be obsolete. For a movie to be enduring, it needs good acting and writing.

Except that Avatar was not created as a movie to stand the test of time. It's more like the Ford Model T or the Motorola DynaTAC of 3D movies. It's contribution to the art of film making is not in its story but in its technology.

Avatar marks the beginning of a new era in film making, it's like the transition between silent films to talkies or from black and white to color. The first talkies and first color movies were not great movies because people didn't know how to really make full use of the new technology to tell good stories. It took directors, writers, editors, cinematographers, make up artists, costume designers, etc., time to adjust to the new technology before they were able to consistently make good movies.

Yeah because Avatar was the first 3D movie to be made just like Halo was the first FPS ever made AMIRITEGUYZ?

Can you not read or do you simply lack basic reasoning abilities? I never said that Avatar was the first 3D film. Just look at my two examples, the Ford Model T was not the first car ever built and the Motorola DynaTAC was not the first cell phone. However, the Model T was instrumental in popularizing cars and the DynaTAC did the same thing with cell phones. There have certainly been 3D movies in the past but none of them have had the same success as Avatar. Because of Avatar, studios will invest more money in 3D movie than ever before and it won't just be a fad like it was in the past.

Modifié par Giantevilhead, 08 mars 2010 - 07:58 .

[Twitchmonkey]

Giantevilhead wrote...

Avatar 2 will probably be a good movie since James Cameron won't be spending all his time perfecting the special effect and will actually work on the script. We might even get something close to the quality of Terminator or Aliens.

Cameron had been thinking about Avatar for the last decade, if that isn't enough time to create an interesting narrative, I don't know what will be. Sure, a lot of that time was spent trying to get the technology going, but I would imagine he was also thinking about the story (though I really wouldn't be surprised if that never crossed his mind). I just don't think he's very good at telling a story or getting good performances out of his actors, or at least he isn't at this point in his life.

[Ellri]

I loved Avatar

[SurfaceBeneath]

The first half of Avatar when they're just exploring that beautifully rendered CGI world and there isn't a whole lot of plot to get in the way is fabulous I thought. I was very sad when it became an action movie in its second half, because I felt it was much weaker than when it was just an adventure.



Also: lol @ mech with a knife.

[Seraosha]

Avatar is a masterwork of epic film making. Maybe it isn't the most original story you've ever seen, but it sure takes you on a rollercoaster ride of emotions as you follow it through and treats you to the delights of the best special effects ever seen on the big screen. In all things, Avatar was top notch and thoroughly deserving of the status of most successful film of all time.

[JustValiant]

I felt quite well entertained, spending more than two hrs on a exotic alien planet being overwhelmed by the flora and fauna of it. True Cameron didn't reinvent the wheel but that wasn't my expectation. Taste is different after all - q.e.d.

[Twitchmonkey]

Seraosha wrote...

Avatar is a masterwork of epic film making. Maybe it isn't the most original story you've ever seen, but it sure takes you on a rollercoaster ride of emotions as you follow it through and treats you to the delights of the best special effects ever seen on the big screen. In all things, Avatar was top notch and thoroughly deserving of the status of most successful film of all time.

I don't think good special effects quite have the emotional punch you attribute to them. They tantalize the eyes and keep you engaged visually, and they certainly did their part in doing so, the artists deserve all the accolades possible. However, unless the performances are good and the narrative is strong, I really don't see how you can become emotionally engaged. Gran Turismo 4 is a very pretty game, but I don't have to sit down and have a cry when I crash my car, a game with a well-crafted story and characters like Heavy Rain is much more effective in that area.