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[The Unfallen]

What are some good tips to get alot of Paragon bars fast?  

[petipas1414]

Evolve your class specific talent!

[GuardianAngel470]

Transfer a paragon save from ME1, nets you an easy 190 paragon points. Other than that, just do most of the paragon interupts, i think you get like 12 for those, and do plenty of dialog. save Jacks loyalty mission till last barring legions and rewrite the geth, for some reason you get 30 paragon for that (seems more renegade to me but whatever). Also, saving the workers on Zorya gets you like 17 points or so.

[GuardianAngel470]

petipas1414 wrote...

Evolve your class specific talent!

Oh yeah, that too.  I've jumped from 3 bars to 4 by upgrading the class specific talent to the one that gives you 100% increase (I know that doesn't make sense, I just don't know how Bioware calculates it)

[Schroing]

^ That, and I'd suggest going for the one that boosts your negotiation skill all the way up to 100% as opposed to 70%. The other buffs are usually fairly arbitrary, in my opinion, and I get much more enjoyment from being capable of passing most every persuasion check I find whenever I find it than a 5% damage buff or whatever.

Also, always go for the blue text when you see it, and when you don't go for the upper right/left text options.

...There's really no trick, it's fairly obvious what to do.

[Fat Headed Wolf]

Mordin's quest gives you 30 points (I think) if you decide to keep the data.

[Schroing]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

petipas1414 wrote...

Evolve your class specific talent!

Oh yeah, that too.  I've jumped from 3 bars to 4 by upgrading the class specific talent to the one that gives you 100% increase (I know that doesn't make sense, I just don't know how Bioware calculates it)

100% doubles the paragon bar you'd have at 0%. 30% (70% being the alternative if you put 4 points into your class skill and don't upgrade to whatever gives you 100), with the kinds of numbers you deal with for paragon scores, is a pretty big number.

Modifié par Schroing, 08 mars 2010 - 01:21 .

[Schroing]

save Jacks loyalty mission till last

I don't reccomend this. If you wait too long, it becomes effectively impossible to pass the check required to keep both Miranda and Jack's loyalties.

[The Unfallen]

What do you mean? How much Paragon/Renegade do you need to be able to side with both of them?



BTW I did some research and found that at the end of the Samara loyalty mission, after Morinth is dead, you can keep asking her over and over again if she is okay, and keep getting +2 Paragon points! I might try this until I get it up to where I need it for the Jack/Lawson fight.

[Fat Headed Wolf]

Schroing wrote...

save Jacks loyalty mission till last

I don't reccomend this. If you wait too long, it becomes effectively impossible to pass the check required to keep both Miranda and Jack's loyalties.

Yep. In fact, if you are a pretty black and white character (i.e. pure renegade or paragon) I would say do both Jack and Miranda's loyalty quest as soon as possible. 

I have personally seen people get a charm or intimidate with like only 1/3 of a full meter. It all depends on when you do them( no pun intended).

[The Unfallen]

But if I do them too soon I won't have enough charm/intimidate!!! DX

[GuardianAngel470]

Fat Headed Wolf wrote...

Schroing wrote...

save Jacks loyalty mission till last

I don't reccomend this. If you wait too long, it becomes effectively impossible to pass the check required to keep both Miranda and Jack's loyalties.

Yep. In fact, if you are a pretty black and white character (i.e. pure renegade or paragon) I would say do both Jack and Miranda's loyalty quest as soon as possible. 

I have personally seen people get a charm or intimidate with like only 1/3 of a full meter. It all depends on when you do them( no pun intended).

After my 1st playthrough I've always done hers last, and Ive played the game 5 extra times and never had a problem.  the only thing worth noting is that if you have a full paragon bar and a more than half full renegade bar the renegade option is the only option.  On my 1st playthrough i was just about half and half, with just a little more renegade but not quite half.  

In short, I have no idea what you are talking about.  My personal experience says waiting works just fine.

[Fat Headed Wolf]

@ OP

No, on my first playthrough (when I didn't know about the arguments and having to charm) I did them right when they were given to me, and I had enough.

At that time I had probably 1/2 paragon and a sliver of renegade.

As a matter of fact; there are a lot of vids of YouTube which show how to do this.

I have played the game 4 times, used the method in each and every one, and have never had a problem.

Should be noted though, that for this method you must do them AS SOON as they are given to you. Don't do anything before. However, it is not an exact science.

All in all, just save before the second loyalty mission if your unsure.

Modifié par Fat Headed Wolf, 08 mars 2010 - 01:36 .

[Fat Headed Wolf]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Fat Headed Wolf wrote...

Schroing wrote...

save Jacks loyalty mission till last

I don't reccomend this. If you wait too long, it becomes effectively impossible to pass the check required to keep both Miranda and Jack's loyalties.

Yep. In fact, if you are a pretty black and white character (i.e. pure renegade or paragon) I would say do both Jack and Miranda's loyalty quest as soon as possible. 

I have personally seen people get a charm or intimidate with like only 1/3 of a full meter. It all depends on when you do them( no pun intended).

After my 1st playthrough I've always done hers last, and Ive played the game 5 extra times and never had a problem.  the only thing worth noting is that if you have a full paragon bar and a more than half full renegade bar the renegade option is the only option.  On my 1st playthrough i was just about half and half, with just a little more renegade but not quite half.  

In short, I have no idea what you are talking about.  My personal experience says waiting works just fine.

No, no, no...... I wasn't saying your way was wrong. Not in any way shape or form. I was just giving the OP another way to "tackle to beast"; so to speak. 

Both work. No argument there. 

[Noobius_Maximo]

Save editor.

[Maginipowfire]

Samara's loyalty mission also gives you a lot of paragon points.

[The Unfallen]

Well I'll just build up my Paragon bar before I do them. Like using the Samara cheat.

[rabbitchannel]

Fat Headed Wolf wrote...

Schroing wrote...

save Jacks loyalty mission till last

I don't reccomend this. If you wait too long, it becomes effectively impossible to pass the check required to keep both Miranda and Jack's loyalties.

Yep. In fact, if you are a pretty black and white character (i.e. pure renegade or paragon) I would say do both Jack and Miranda's loyalty quest as soon as possible. 

I have personally seen people get a charm or intimidate with like only 1/3 of a full meter. It all depends on when you do them( no pun intended).

Nah, I've always left it for last and I've only failed it the first time. I didn't know it was coming so I didn't rake up the Paragon points. If you've reached until at least half the last bar you should be able to get it pretty easily.

Samara's quest gives you ~30 points if you save her and I think Zaeed's should also give a bucket load if you do the Paragon side.

[RighteousRage]

Import a maxed paragon character from ME 1, do the class specialization that gives +100% to the paragon/renegade points, do all blue persuasion options, do top right options otherwise, and besides that, the loyalty missions almost all net a lot of points.

[Serillen]

The jack/miranda thing is only an issue if you don't import a char from ME1. Also if you always pick the paragon option in a NG+ you'll be fine. The way the system is designed the only time you'll have an issue when you begin to mix your choices without having the extra 190 points from ME1 and take the 70% option from your class pick. Otherwise its pretty hard to fail.

That being said though, the system they use is a bit flawed because once you start failing your charm/intimidate options it sorta begins to snowball into later choices and can become almost impossible to recover from.

[The Unfallen]

So really all I have to do is keep at the Paragon options and I'll be fine? Just no mixing right.

[Serillen]

Well if there are only renegade/neutral options in a convo and no paragon choices you could pick the renegade option and not be penalized, but if you have a choice of paragon and don't take it thats when it hurts you.

[The Unfallen]

I see.



I'll just get enough Paragon points before I do their loyalty missions. Its the only way to be sure.

[GenericPlayer2]

These side quests are very easy and give out Paragon points:



1. The family trinket - Pick up the trinket in the final fight of Miranda's loyalty quest - give it to the crying Asari woman



2. Kirosa Family Data: After you go up the elevator and talk to the Merc by the window in Thane's recruit mission, you will find a datapad with the Kirosa family history. Give it to the Salarian whining on the phone



3. The Quarian theif: There is a clanless Quarian being accused of stealing a credit chit on the citadel. Talk to the officer, then talk to the Salarian shop keeper to find out where the chit is, then go back to the officer and tell him. Don't forget to use the Paragon interrupt



4. The Quarian Slave: In the Eternity bar, tell the slaver you will help her. Then talk to the Synthetic Insights rep but DO NOT convince her to hire the Quarian. Now go back to the slaver and tell her that you couldn't do it, then use Paragon blue option to get her to free the slave. Synthetic insights rep will still be there, go and talk to her for a second time and use Paragon blue option to convince her to hire the Quarian slave. This yields an extra +5 Paragon points you would have not gotten otherwise.

[Canned Bullets]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Transfer a paragon save from ME1, nets you an easy 190 paragon points. Other than that, just do most of the paragon interupts, i think you get like 12 for those, and do plenty of dialog. save Jacks loyalty mission till last barring legions and rewrite the geth, for some reason you get 30 paragon for that (seems more renegade to me but whatever). Also, saving the workers on Zorya gets you like 17 points or so.

No, if you want to solve the dispute at the end of that mission your have to do Miranda and Jacks' missions so you'll need less paragon/renegade to keep both of their loyalties.