Howdy, all. I just realized something... the Joining to become a Grey Warden requires them to drink not only Darkspawn blood, but Archdemon blood. Yet, how did the first Grey Wardens defeat the Blight? They wouldn't have been able to, as they wouldn't have had the Archdemon blood to perform the Joining. Plot hole, perhaps?
Wait a minute... how is this possible?
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Hukari
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Posté 08 mars 2010 - 02:42
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Don't have to kill something to get it to bleed just fyi.
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Posté 08 mars 2010 - 02:42
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The 1rst blight lasted for 90 years. It's probable that the Wardens fought (and maybe "killed" the Archdemon) and took some of its blood.
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Posté 08 mars 2010 - 02:53
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Perhaps not. The arch-demon is slay-able to someone who doesn't have the taint. The arch-demon's spirit just jumps to the nearest dark-spawn to be reincarnated. It seems to be that would pause a blight for a short period. It is also possible that early blights blight had a more than one arch-demon to dispatch. In that case, dead arch-demons could be available to fuel joining. The real question is how the Wardens first discovered the secret of becoming tainted. Do you figure that the first Grey Wardens must have been soldiers who were tainted during battles with an arch-demon and just didn't die or become corrupted. being tainted would have become useful for detecting dark-spawn at least. Only later did they develop a ritual joining for becoming tainted voluntarily. The first blight raged for decades until the warden's discovered the secret of destroying the Arch-demon's spirit. Eventually a voluntarily tainted Warden would face an arch-demon and achieve the now traditional result.
There is a precident in Tolkian. Most of the major villians like Smoug, Sauron and the Balrog actually served Morgoth during the first age. The war with Morgoth raged for hundreds of years and in that time man of his servents were destoyed. So the Dragon age world may not creating more archdemon's. They're just reemerging over time.
There is a precident in Tolkian. Most of the major villians like Smoug, Sauron and the Balrog actually served Morgoth during the first age. The war with Morgoth raged for hundreds of years and in that time man of his servents were destoyed. So the Dragon age world may not creating more archdemon's. They're just reemerging over time.
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Posté 08 mars 2010 - 02:54
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This again? There is a search function you know.
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Posté 08 mars 2010 - 02:59
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Theres also a cave for trolls who are mean to people just asking a question, you might want to use it.metatheurgist wrote...
This again? There is a search function you know.
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Posté 08 mars 2010 - 06:08
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Given that the blood in the Elven ruins phylactory is still intact after thousands of years, it would be no problem to store archdemon blood from the last blight only 400 years previously.
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Posté 08 mars 2010 - 06:08
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Posté 08 mars 2010 - 06:40
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xzxzxz701 wrote...
Theres also a cave for trolls who are mean to people just asking a question, you might want to use it.metatheurgist wrote...
This again? There is a search function you know.
Right...teaching people to help themselves counts as being mean. I'm beginning to understand the root of all our social problems.
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Posté 08 mars 2010 - 06:58
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Riordan explains, iirc, that the grey wardens as an official order were not created until after the first archdemon was killed, in honor of the adventuring order that devoted themselves to destroying the blight...
of course this would seem to create the plot hole regarding the destiny of the first archdemon's soul after the dragon was killed if not by a tainted individual but perhaps someone will similarly come along and assuage that particular fear.
of course this would seem to create the plot hole regarding the destiny of the first archdemon's soul after the dragon was killed if not by a tainted individual but perhaps someone will similarly come along and assuage that particular fear.
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Posté 08 mars 2010 - 07:09
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metatheurgist wrote...
xzxzxz701 wrote...
Theres also a cave for trolls who are mean to people just asking a question, you might want to use it.metatheurgist wrote...
This again? There is a search function you know.
Right...teaching people to help themselves counts as being mean. I'm beginning to understand the root of all our social problems.
Get over yourself. The search function is less than operable and no one forces you to post. Go elsewhere if it's so irritating. If there's a social conclusion to be drawn, it's that someone will always try and make themselves look clever at someone else's expense.
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Posté 08 mars 2010 - 07:13
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I wonder if maybe the archdemon's jumping ability has a limited range, so that if the Wardens were to, for example, annihilate every single darkspawn nearby and then the archdemon, it would die permanently. The first blight lasted so long, it might have happened at some point. Maybe the archdemon got cocky, as it were. It's said that every single Warden died killing the archdemon during the first blight... maybe they did some kind of magical nuke tactic. And then only later Wardens found out how useful the dead archdemon's blood was.
Of course, that's all speculative. Besides which, I'm pretty sure (based on previous threads) you don't need archdemon blood, it just helps, so that you don't have to do a chugging contest with gallons of regular darkspawn blood... the archdemon's blood is much more concentrated with taintedness.
Of course, that's all speculative. Besides which, I'm pretty sure (based on previous threads) you don't need archdemon blood, it just helps, so that you don't have to do a chugging contest with gallons of regular darkspawn blood... the archdemon's blood is much more concentrated with taintedness.
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Posté 08 mars 2010 - 08:32
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That is an interesting chicken or the egg question. I would assume it was completely by accident, ie a warden that had not yet turned by exposure to the taint delivered the killing blow by accident and he died along with the organized resistance of the darkspawn. From this outcome the other surviving wardens may have figured this out by accident after the event i just described.
It is possible that man first discovered fire this way as the scavengers that man was happend upon a half cooked animal carcas left over after a forest fire. After a trial and error period, much like my wife in the kitchen, (how can you tell dinner is done? The smoke alarm goes off), no more steak tartar.
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It is possible that man first discovered fire this way as the scavengers that man was happend upon a half cooked animal carcas left over after a forest fire. After a trial and error period, much like my wife in the kitchen, (how can you tell dinner is done? The smoke alarm goes off), no more steak tartar.
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Posté 08 mars 2010 - 11:49
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It's simple really. You can kill an Archdemon's body even without being a Grey Warden, but when you do the Archdemon's soul moves to a new body. So the first time someone manages to kill the Archdemon's body they get an immediately reincarnated Archdemon and gallons of Archdemon blood from the first body to create Grey Wardens with.
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Posté 08 mars 2010 - 12:01
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First Grey Warden ate Darkspawn meat & Drank Darkspawn Blood during the Great Blight just to survive. It was so nutritious, he picked up a Great Sword with one hand & plunged it deep in to an Archdemon & realised bigger the Darkspawn more mouths he could feed. So he started the Darkspawn Feasting society called the Grey Wardens.
& hence only the Grey Wardens are allowed to kill the Archdemon as there is not enough to feed the whole damn country.
& hence only the Grey Wardens are allowed to kill the Archdemon as there is not enough to feed the whole damn country.
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Posté 08 mars 2010 - 12:11
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i have always wondered how the grey wardens first discovered how to use darkspawn blood to their advantage and how to defeat the archdemon. perhaps they will go into greater detail about it in awakening if we are lucky 
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Posté 08 mars 2010 - 01:02
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They probably figured it out after they killed Dumat the first few times, disposed of his body, only to have a new Dumat come swooping down on them some time later.
After some time fighting the First Blight, I think they saw the connection between the Darkspawn, the Archdemon and the blight Taint. Using a mixture of Darkspawn and Archdemon blood infused with Lyrium was probably a trial and error thing.
After some time fighting the First Blight, I think they saw the connection between the Darkspawn, the Archdemon and the blight Taint. Using a mixture of Darkspawn and Archdemon blood infused with Lyrium was probably a trial and error thing.
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Posté 08 mars 2010 - 01:22
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Holy crap I just posted the exact same topic!
