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[Never]

One of my favorite parts of the movie was the fact that the main character was so unlikable.

[mattp420]

bobobo878 wrote...

This sort of reminds me about the racism in Resident Evil 5 debate. Racist or not, District 9 was at least better written.

This reminds me of that ME2 thread about Bioware being racist in regards to Jacob and his loyalty mission.

[Noilly Prat]

Yes, the controversy (as far as I know) was mostly centered around the portrayal of the Nigerian arms trafficking gangs in the film. I don't necessarily feel that those complaints were especially well-founded in this case, but I do understand why some people had a problem with it. I actually think it's a bit similar to the Resident Evil 5 controversy over the tribal enemies and that alternate costume.

Also, complaints about racism in films like this are not necessarily always ridiculous. Again, I wouldn't say that I consider this particular film to be racist, but subtle manifestations of racism are still manifestations of racism, and are arguably more harmful in that they are not as easily identified and dismissed. The fact that a lot of people are perhaps a bit too quick to shout "racist!" at anything dealing in delicate subject matter such as this doesn't mean that it is unreasonable or inappropriate to seriously consider and discuss the issue. Just saying.

Modifié par Noilly Prat, 08 mars 2010 - 10:31 .

[Fexelea]

Well of course discussing the issue is relevant, however I do not see how a portrayal of a gang implies racism? It's a gang. It's Nigerian. Nigerian gangs exist, as do Russian and Chinese ones. I really don't see why the fact that the characters are black or Nigerian should be taken as a representation of all blacks or Nigerians, especially when there are "good" and "bad" characters in the film of various etnicities.



I think the RE5 thing was rather silly. Nobody complained about Spain, which was equally stereotypical. And a sexy "tribal" costume for Sheva is hardly more racist than Victoria's Secret Winter "tribal" collection of a few years back (actually the models were so similar I suspect Capcom might have copied them haha). It would actually be easier to argue that the costume is sexist, as there is no equal "fan service" in a half naked Chris (dammit!)

[addiction21]

MerinTB wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

Humans are evil. They want some resource the aliens have. It takes a human walking in the aliens shoes to find out how bad they have it and humans are behaving badly... sounds like another movie I recently watched.

On the surface, yes.

Difference between District 9 and that other movie?

This one was good.

Are you saying Fern Gully was not good?

[KnightofPhoenix]

mynameisdanza wrote...

One of my favorite parts of the movie was the fact that the main character was so unlikable.

I think that's the point. To start off with a character that acts like a douche, while being humorous about it (burning baby aliens while comparing it to popcorn, that was a very powerful scene). Until he starts evolving (mentally and physically) into a better person.

[Kurokenshi]

District 9 should've won Best Picture at the Oscars!



I support the homegrown talent!

[Panderfringe]

Kurokenshi wrote...

District 9 should've won Best Picture at the Oscars!

I support the homegrown talent!

You live in South Africa?

[Gabey5]

well it portrayed nigerians as cannibals if i recall correctly

[addiction21]

Gabey5 wrote...

well it portrayed nigerians as cannibals if i recall correctly

No it did not.

[Gabey5]

addiction21 wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...

well it portrayed nigerians as cannibals if i recall correctly

No it did not.

they were eating human flesh in the film

[MerinTB]

addiction21 wrote...

MerinTB wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

Humans are evil. They want some resource the aliens have. It takes a human walking in the aliens shoes to find out how bad they have it and humans are behaving badly... sounds like another movie I recently watched.

On the surface, yes.

Difference between District 9 and that other movie?

This one was good.

Are you saying Fern Gully was not good?

Compared to District 9, yes.

If you were to compare Fern Gully to, oh, say, let's grab at random ... how about Avatar?  Then Fern Gully's awesome!

[Sloth Of Doom]

Gabey5 wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...

well it portrayed nigerians as cannibals if i recall correctly

No it did not.

they were eating human flesh in the film

Really?  REALLY?   REALLLLLLYYY?  Please, find me the scene where that happens.

[AntiChri5]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

mynameisdanza wrote...

One of my favorite parts of the movie was the fact that the main character was so unlikable.

I think that's the point. To start off with a character that acts like a douche, while being humorous about it (burning baby aliens while comparing it to popcorn, that was a very powerful scene). Until he starts evolving (mentally and physically) into a better person.

As always, i am a little too late and some other bastard took my opinion.  <_<

[addiction21]

MerinTB wrote...


Compared to District 9, yes.

If you were to compare Fern Gully to, oh, say, let's grab at random ... how about Avatar?  Then Fern Gully's awesome!

Oh I get it your racist against blue people and fairys.

Maybe it is because I listened to my friends (ya I should of known better) and my expectations were up when I went to see District 9. It's a good movie but its not the next coming or anything near what everyone made it out to be.
As far as Avatar goes did many of you actually go and see it expecting a good story? Its James Cameron his movies are tech demos with a story stiched on so it can be called a movie.
Just my 2 cents.

[MikeSunrider]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Because anything that makes people actually think is digusting.
District 9 is a brilliant movie and the best Sci Fi in recent memory.

No, that would be Moon and I'd rate Star Trek and Avatar as better Sci-fi than District 9.  

D-9 tried to cap on the whole apartheid thing and to be honest, besides the setting, the apartheid wasn't there. The characters were bland, almost cartoony so. If they wanted to pull it off better they should've portrayed the 'African- Tribe' in the middle of the slums more like the African Rebels in Blood Diamond.

The plot was very thin and hardly sci-fi and it gave barely enough motivation for the main character to do something (mind you, it was atleast decent motivation), the relationship between his wife and his father-in-law was non-existent other than cliché dislike the father had for him and the undying love his wife had in contrast to her father.

District - 9 was a fun movie, and a great watch no doubt. But it lacks anything fundamentally deep. Atleast Avatar had the whole 3D-thing going for it.

Really?  REALLY?   REALLLLLLYYY?  Please, find me
the scene where that happens.

You missed the entire plot of the movie then. Considering all parties were after the ability to be able to use the alien technology. The Africans believed they could achieve that by consuming the alien's flesh in some manner of voodoo rituals.

Also, when they noticed that the main character had an alien arm, they considered him to be the link and they wanted to eat him as well

Modifié par MikeSunrider, 08 mars 2010 - 05:11 .

[AntiChri5]

MikeSunrider wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Because anything that makes people actually think is digusting.
District 9 is a brilliant movie and the best Sci Fi in recent memory.

No, that would be Moon and I'd rate Star Trek and Avatar as better Sci-fi than District 9.  

D-9 tried to cap on the whole apartheid thing and to be honest, besides the setting, the apartheid wasn't there. The characters were bland, almost cartoony so. If they wanted to pull it off better they should've portrayed the 'African- Tribe' in the middle of the slums more like the African Rebels in Blood Diamond.

The plot was very thin and hardly sci-fi and it gave barely enough motivation for the main character to do something (mind you, it was atleast decent motivation), the relationship between his wife and his father-in-law was non-existent other than cliché dislike the father had for him and the undying love his wife had in contrast to her father.

District - 9 was a fun movie, and a great watch no doubt. But it lacks anything fundamentally deep. Atleast Avatar had the whole 3D-thing going for it.

Really?  REALLY?   REALLLLLLYYY?  Please, find me
the scene where that happens.

You missed the entire plot of the movie then. Considering all parties were after the ability to be able to use the alien technology. The Africans believed they could achieve that by consuming the alien's flesh in some manner of voodoo rituals.

Also, when they noticed that the main character had an alien arm, they considered him to be the link and they wanted to eat him as well

You do not understand the meaning of Cannabalism.

[MikeSunrider]

Actually I do. It's the act of eating one of your own kind. Considering they wanted to eat the main character it isn't odd to believe they've eaten other humans as well before the arrival of the alien immigrants.



Any other single sentence you want to fling my way while you try to act smart?

[AntiChri5]

MikeSunrider wrote...

Actually I do. It's the act of eating one of your own kind. Considering they wanted to eat the main character it isn't odd to believe they've eaten other humans as well before the arrival of the alien immigrants.

Any other single sentence you want to fling my way while you try to act smart?

They only wanted to eat him once he started turning into an alien. Once he was no longer human.

Even then they only ever wanted to eat the arm that changed.

[MikeSunrider]

Sure, I'll give you that. But again, I am pretty confident there were a myriad of human bones in that camp which definately hinted at the cliché tribes practicing cannibalism.

Maviarab wrote...

Actually I do. It's the act of
eating one of your own kind. Considering they wanted to eat the main
character it isn't odd to believe they've eaten other humans as well
before the arrival of the alien immigrants.

No...they
only wanted to eat him as they believed they would aquire his
abilities....

That doesn't mean it wouldn't be an act of cannibalism. There existed a tribe who ate their deceased kin cause they didn't trust to put them in the earth. They found it more natural to let it return to where it came from. See, religious connotation but still an act of cannibalism.

Modifié par MikeSunrider, 08 mars 2010 - 05:48 .

[Noilly Prat]

Fexelea wrote...

Well of course discussing the issue is relevant, however I do not see how a portrayal of a gang implies racism? It's a gang. It's Nigerian. Nigerian gangs exist, as do Russian and Chinese ones. I really don't see why the fact that the characters are black or Nigerian should be taken as a representation of all blacks or Nigerians, especially when there are "good" and "bad" characters in the film of various etnicities.

I think the RE5 thing was rather silly. Nobody complained about Spain, which was equally stereotypical. And a sexy "tribal" costume for Sheva is hardly more racist than Victoria's Secret Winter "tribal" collection of a few years back (actually the models were so similar I suspect Capcom might have copied them haha). It would actually be easier to argue that the costume is sexist, as there is no equal "fan service" in a half naked Chris (dammit!)

I generally agree with all this.  Although I don't think that the complaints about racism were necessarily that focused on the fact that the Nigerian characters were criminals and thugs.  (That is most likely why the Nigerian government took issue with it, which is rather stupid, but also hardly the first time something like that has happened.)  The racism complaints, I assume, were more concerned with the portrayal of the Nigerians as superstitious quasi-cannibals.  I don't personally feel there was much grounds for this accusation against the film, but I also don't think that the superstitious, quasi-cannibalistic aspects of the Nigerian gang characters were at all necessary to the plot, but were instead a bit silly and excessive.

[Panderfringe]

I do not see how it would not be racist, taking place in South. Africa.



You know, apartheid? Yeah? Yeah.

[Caozen]

mynameisdanza wrote...

One of my favorite parts of the movie was the fact that the main character was so unlikable.

His character growth was pretty decent as far as movies go. He was quite the idiot from start to finish, but you could really feel sorry for him near the end. Root for him, even.