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[XX55XX]

This applies especially to Tali's romance. I mean, it's cute and all, but the pacing could have been so much better.

There is very little buildup to the romance, unlike what we experienced with Ashley in ME1. Basically, you come up to Tali, and suddenly she is asking if Shepard could bang her... I admire her drive, but not her complete lack of subtlety. It also seems so unlike her character - she demonstrates her awkwardness when it comes to romance, and it shows, but couldn't she have put off talk about sex until she managed to establish a relationship with Shepard?

Don't know what the rest of you guys think - but BioWare rushed the romances a little bit this time around. They're still good... but they could have been better.

I've seen videos of Jacob's romance, and it appears to be the same thing - Jacob comes up to Shepard and asks for sex, albeit in a more subtle way than Tali did.

Thoughts?

[Cascadus]

Here's my opinion on the romances. I like the CHARACTERS being romanced FAR more than any of ME1's. Tali, Garrus, Thane and Jack have been far more endearing to me than Ashley, Liara or Kaidan ever was. It's only a shame they didn't give ME2's romances the same amount of depth as ME1's, despite having the more interesting characters.

[xedgorex]

I can't believe no one remembers the lash back from the sex scene in ME1 go google Fox News Mass Effect and they were roaring and raving like it was full out porn. They dumbed it down to avoid lashback.

[XX55XX]

Cascadus wrote...

Here's my opinion on the romances. I like the CHARACTERS being romanced FAR more than any of ME1's. Tali, Garrus, Thane and Jack have been far more endearing to me than Ashley, Liara or Kaidan ever was. It's only a shame they didn't give ME2's romances the same amount of depth as ME1's, despite having the more interesting characters.

I agree completely. Perhaps the writers were overworked.

[shnizzler93]

Well, Tali was with Shepard during ME1, so it was basically an extension of that. During much of her recruitment mission, you hear logs of her saying, "...I wish Shepard were here..." After all, they did save the Citadel and the Council (or not) together, and Shepard is the strongest male she has ever encountered.



However, on other points, yes, some of the romances were poorly paced. Trying out Miranda's right now, and it is funny

[BobbyTheI]

Yeah, I never really LIKED liked the romances in ME1.  It was more just "Well, it's there.  Might as well do it."  I can't imagine actually looking for the ME1 romance conversations on YouTube to play them back and enjoy them, which I've done for a couple ME2 romances.  

ME2 does them much better, though I wish there could have been 2-3 more conversations for each, just to flesh them out a bit more.  But there's only so much space you want to devote to what is, in the end, a very small part of the overarching experience, despite how much text they get devoted to them on these boards.  

[GuardianAngel470]

I concur with Cascadus. The lack of dialog was troubling. It is sort of defendable with the Tali and Garrus ones because you already know them, but it still would have been nice to hear more about them. Especially Tali, as far as I know Garrus is the only one with a cool story outside of his Loyalty mission, but I think that would be where the Femshep romance would start, similar to the suit environment talk with tali.

[XX55XX]

xedgorex wrote...

I can't believe no one remembers the lash back from the sex scene in ME1 go google Fox News Mass Effect and they were roaring and raving like it was full out porn. They dumbed it down to avoid lashback.

Yeah, but did they have to dumb down the romance conversations as well? I don't mind them dumbing down the sex scene, but I do mind BioWare putting less depth into the conversations.

[JThompson6577]

I kinda have to disagree. Particularly the Jack and Samara romances (Samara's romance may be failed but I still think it counts.) You do have to put in work, earning their trust and such.



Also with Tali, remember you already know her pretty well by the time she comes into the party halfway through the game so it could lend it's self to a faster pace.

[MarginalBeast]

I agree that the romances are a little fast-paced, but that applies to both ME1 and 2 in my opinion. I wish they were more drawn out, but I'll take what I can get. The games are both fairly short, so we can't get a long romance ala DA:O. Here's hoping that they'll be expanded on in ME3 and/or DLC.

As for Tali, well, her romance pretty much has to have a big focus on sex. The problem is that at the end of each romance subplot, the characters have sex. Tali and Garrus can't just show up at the end and have sex with Shepard on an impulse, which is what happens with the other romances. The interspecies thing requires a lot of planning and preparation. So instead of denying the players a sex scene at the end, the writers decided to incorporate the discussion of sex into the romance dialogue. That's my theory, anyway.

I don't really think Jacob's romance started out that way, but maybe my memory is faulty.

Modifié par MarginalBeast, 08 mars 2010 - 03:56 .

[GuardianAngel470]

xedgorex wrote...

I can't believe no one remembers the lash back from the sex scene in ME1 go google Fox News Mass Effect and they were roaring and raving like it was full out porn. They dumbed it down to avoid lashback.

What we are lamenting is the lack of character depth and conversation options in ME2.  You're talking about the sex scene all on your lonesome.

[XX55XX]

BobbyTheI wrote...

Yeah, I never really LIKED liked the romances in ME1.  It was more just "Well, it's there.  Might as well do it."  I can't imagine actually looking for the ME1 romance conversations on YouTube to play them back and enjoy them, which I've done for a couple ME2 romances.  

ME2 does them much better, though I wish there could have been 2-3 more conversations for each, just to flesh them out a bit more.  But there's only so much space you want to devote to what is, in the end, a very small part of the overarching experience, despite how much text they get devoted to them on these boards.  

But, regardless, the conversations and the pacing was so much better - there was actually a degree of buildup... a curve before the bed scene. In ME2, the bed scene occurred at a 90 degree angle from the start of the romance.

[Cascadus]

Actually, I think it's important to note that Garrus's 'sex' scene is the only one where it's implied where they don't actually do much anything concerning 'cross-species intercourse'.

[JThompson6577]

Cascadus wrote...

Actually, I think it's important to note that Garrus's 'sex' scene is the only one where it's implied where they don't actually do much anything concerning 'cross-species intercourse'.

Um... Jack's Paragon scene ends with both still fully clothed cuddling on the bed.  Unless they put their clothes back on during the after glow, Jack and Shep didn't do much in the way of knocking boots.

[enormousmoonboots]

Yeah, it seems that more characters = fewer conversations per character. You had, what, at least four in-depth, non-romance conversations with each ME1 character and the ability to ask them about the latest mission. For ME2, there's what...one or two pre-loyalty convos, one post-loyalty, and one more if you romanced them?

[kraidy1117]

I found that Miri was the best because how it was paced. Hell she only shows her emotions for you very late in the game which I liked. It was not like Jacob where it was like "lets go roll our oats!" or Garrus which sounded like a fling (I love Garrus as a bromance but as a LI it was just bad)

[xedgorex]

Yeah who wishes you could actually complete the Samara romance

[MarginalBeast]

JThompson6577 wrote...

Cascadus wrote...

Actually, I think it's important to note that Garrus's 'sex' scene is the only one where it's implied where they don't actually do much anything concerning 'cross-species intercourse'.

Um... Jack's Paragon scene ends with both still fully clothed cuddling on the bed.  Unless they put their clothes back on during the after glow, Jack and Shep didn't do much in the way of knocking boots.

I'm 99% certain that every romance scene involved sex, whether it was shown or not.

Maybe, MAYBE there wasn't actually any sex in Garrus' romance scene. It's impossible to tell because BioWare decided not to give any post-suicide mission romantic dialogue to any characters other than Tali and Jacob. But I still think they probably had sex.

[shnizzler93]

@xedgorex



me. although i have yet to work that far into the game. first i went with tali for maleshep and i saved my femshep for liara in ME3 (they better do something good for her)...

[JThompson6577]

xedgorex wrote...

Yeah who wishes you could actually complete the Samara romance

To be fair, it is complete. And a satisfying ending, that even leaves her open in ME3, it just doesn't end happily.

[Cascadus]

kraidy1117 wrote...
Garrus which sounded like a fling (I love Garrus as a bromance but as a LI it was just bad)

Garrus's romance was adorably awkward and possibly my favourite one. I really don't know how you could say he's a bad LI. Again, it wasn't actually implied that Garrus and Shepard ended up knockin' boots prior to the jaunt into the Omega-4 Relay. Although it's very hard to tell considering there was no allusion to it after the Collector Base.

Modifié par Cascadus, 08 mars 2010 - 04:07 .

[kraidy1117]

Cascadus wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...
Garrus which sounded like a fling (I love Garrus as a bromance but as a LI it was just bad)

Garrus's romance was adorably awkward and possibly my favourite one. I really don't know how you could say he's a bad LI. Again, it wasn't actually implied that Garrus and Shepard ended up knockin' boots prior to the jaunt into the Omega-4 Relay. Although it's very hard to tell considering there was no allusion to it after the Collector Base.

I just did't like it, I prefer him as a bromance, hell even Tali I picture her more of a sister character. Jack and Thane will be very tragic if you can't cure them. Then we got Jacob as a toatl fling. Sigh looks like Miri is only for me.

[MarginalBeast]

kraidy1117 wrote...
Hell she only shows her emotions for you very late in the game which I liked.

Um, that can also be applied to Thane, Garrus, and Jack as well.

Also, I wish people would stop throwing the word "fling" around. NONE OF THE ROMANCES ARE FLINGS.

Modifié par MarginalBeast, 08 mars 2010 - 04:10 .