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[mosspit]

wowpwnslol wrote...

Cuthlan wrote...

Some people do the Ashes questline early. And take the dragon on when they find it. It makes it a challenge, in some cases unbeatable. And it is a lot more fun than coming back later just because you know you've reached the power level to roll the dragon.

Fair enough. I can see it being hard if you're low level. However, it also begs a question of why isn't there a fight where it's challenging at HIGH levels?

Fight Ser Cauthrien with archers without leaving the room. Sure it can be done but it should be challenging enough.

[thegreateski]

I'd rather have smarter dragons then stronger dragons.

[wowpwnslol]

mosspit wrote...


Fight Ser Cauthrien with archers without leaving the room. Sure it can be done but it should be challenging enough.

This is dumb. Why should I limit myself just to make the game more challenging? That is Bioware's job to make the game hard. It's like saying "if you want a harder game, play without gear" or "don't use force field". Sure, it would make the game harder, but personally playing like that leaves behind a feeling of dissatisfaction.

[mosspit]

wowpwnslol wrote...

mosspit wrote...


Fight Ser Cauthrien with archers without leaving the room. Sure it can be done but it should be challenging enough.

This is dumb. Why should I limit myself just to make the game more challenging? That is Bioware's job to make the game hard. It's like saying "if you want a harder game, play without gear" or "don't use force field". Sure, it would make the game harder, but personally playing like that leaves behind a feeling of dissatisfaction.

Why is it ...dumb? If I'm not mistaken, that mage happen to be a solo. In that case, didn't you just "limited" yourself? Even then, I did not mention anything about limiting abilities. You questioned about the availiability of a fight that is challenging at high levels. Ser Cauthrien is my reply to you.

[Silensfurtim]

mosspit wrote...

Hmmm kinda feels like a bragging thread...

it is a bragging thread. more like..

"oh bioware please give us strong dragons in awakening because for me nightmare mode is so easy and the rest of the people who think otherwise suck in the game. i soloed the game on nightmare mode and its pretty easy. i rock bioware! please give us harder dragons! kthxbye!"

[Alikain]

wowpwnslol wrote...

mosspit wrote...


Fight Ser Cauthrien with archers without leaving the room. Sure it can be done but it should be challenging enough.

This is dumb. Why should I limit myself just to make the game more challenging? That is Bioware's job to make the game hard. It's like saying "if you want a harder game, play without gear" or "don't use force field". Sure, it would make the game harder, but personally playing like that leaves behind a feeling of dissatisfaction.

I don't think you get it wowpwnslol you are a mage and you command the elements....... the dragon you are fighting is a fire dragon ad you are using the element againt it which is ice. that will make it die quicker if you ask me. trying killing it fire spells and see what happen and how long it will take to kill it. you can't even solo it and easy with fire spell. please don't say it not challenging when you have trying other ways of kill it.

[wowpwnslol]

mosspit wrote...

Why is it ...dumb? If I'm not mistaken, that mage happen to be a solo. In that case, didn't you just "limited" yourself? Even then, I did not mention anything about limiting abilities. You questioned about the availiability of a fight that is challenging at high levels. Ser Cauthrien is my reply to you.

Ser Cauthrien is disgustingly easy. She's basically a dumb melee mob that hits hard and has lots of hitpoints. Curse of Misdirection owns her thoroughly.

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PS Notice the archer corpses at the door? Yes, 1 walking bomb 1 shot them all.

Modifié par wowpwnslol, 08 mars 2010 - 02:21 .

[wowpwnslol]

Alikain wrote...


I don't think you get it wowpwnslol you are a mage and you command the elements....... the dragon you are fighting is a fire dragon ad you are using the element againt it which is ice. that will make it die quicker if you ask me. trying killing it fire spells and see what happen and how long it will take to kill it. you can't even solo it and easy with fire spell. please don't say it not challenging when you have trying other ways of kill it.

Instead of typing all that nonsense, you could have said: "If you want a harder game, play like an absolute retard".

[Cuthlan]

wowpwnslol, what level are you typically when you first come across the dragon, and then what level are you when you return?



I wonder if the level scaling is causing at least a part of this for you.

[Alikain]

You one of those people who just like to bragging on forums how easy eveything is. i just told you if you want to be more challenging use fire spells or just trying solo with the other class and see.

[Silent Fear]

 I got a suggestion.
 As i have to agree whit the OP that there isn't much challenge in most "boss" fights even in nightmare i propose that when "nightmare" difficulty is on all mobs to receive MASSIVE hp, defense, resistance and dmg boost to the point that even well balanced team whit good gear have trouble staying alive.

  As for the person that suggested that we nerf ourselves just so the fight to be harder - that is nonsense. We want to test our ability's ( granted it's just a game ) and what's the point in that if we dont give 100% of our potential ?

 So like i said really massive boost to all attributes of the mobs on nightmare difficulty should solve the problem even if only partly and it shouldn't interfere whit the ppl that just want to enjoy the game whiteout busting there balls whit impossible fight ( granted they dont go on nightmare difficulty ).

[Marbazoid]

Perhaps part of the problem lies with the fact that most of the fights in the game are not tuned to a specific level. They scale quite a bit.



If the fights were designed for a certain player level, maybe the devs would have the freedom to make the fights more interesting.

[Diogo Gomez]

I actually only fought the archdemon and the dragon in the werewolf lair. I didn't went to flemeth ( if morrigan wats flemeth dead she can go and kill her herself I'm not her slave ), I nevern encountered any dragon in Orzammar and the High Dragon didn't attacked me!!

[mosspit]

wowpwnslol wrote...

mosspit wrote...

Why is it ...dumb? If I'm not mistaken, that mage happen to be a solo. In that case, didn't you just "limited" yourself? Even then, I did not mention anything about limiting abilities. You questioned about the availiability of a fight that is challenging at high levels. Ser Cauthrien is my reply to you.

Ser Cauthrien is disgustingly easy. She's basically a dumb melee mob that hits hard and has lots of hitpoints. Curse of Misdirection owns her thoroughly.

img208.imageshack.us/img208/7186/cauth.jpg

PS Notice the archer corpses at the door? Yes, 1 walking bomb 1 shot them all.

Okay... Based on your requirement for challenge why not kill her in the same room she was in without baiting her out? I am saying its more challenging to do so.

Modifié par mosspit, 08 mars 2010 - 03:09 .

[Bling75]

wowpwnslol wrote...

LoneFullmetal wrote...

What is this, I don't.

I'm having trouble beating the high dragon, I can get her down to 1/4 her health but then usually either my tank or healer dies and it's game over...

That's because you're bad.

Nightmare Mode:

img687.imageshack.us/img687/4158/highdragon.jpg

He has a point....

Modifié par Bling75, 08 mars 2010 - 03:38 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

Are you saying you cant fight at 100% potential unless you use cookie cutter builds? SO actually you suck unless you got specific builds? So you actually can't play the game unless you got EXACTLY that one build? So you actually suck and limited yourself to one build.. Well done kthxbye

[Silent Fear]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Are you saying you cant fight at 100% potential unless you use cookie cutter builds? SO actually you suck unless you got specific builds? So you actually can't play the game unless you got EXACTLY that one build? So you actually suck and limited yourself to one build.. Well done kthxbye

Huh ? Now what provoked that .. let's just say hostile answer ?
 First what cookie cutter builds are you talking about ? If you mean that my tank use massive armor, shield and shield talents instead of light armor whit Duel daggers - then yes i use cookie cutter builds. And yes i actually suck if i just trow points on talents whiteout even looking at the talents themselves. Maybe on my next replay i will spend my talent and skill points whit my aye's closed so the game can prove to be challenging ( what you probably did). And yes i find it stupid to charge a FIRE DRAGON whit fire spells and cold resistance gear - excuse me for preparing for my battles and using my brain.

 "So you actually suck and limited yourself to one build" - i have absolutely no clue from were the hell did you pull that one - care to share whit me ?

 So now relax a bit and let me explain once more - My suggestions is for the "nightmare" difficulty to be that - nightmare-ish. Like in the most others games where on that difficulty the mobs one shot yar ass no matter how good you are. And that to be only on nightmare so the rest of the gamers can enjoy on the lower difficulty whiteout the need to use "cookie cutters" like us that suck at gaming. kthxbye.

[mosspit]

Eli-da-Mage wrote...

If you want a more challenging game and you fing DA easy go play something else that you find more challenging. I like my dragons soloed with no health poultices as they are. Mage with elements and heal. Besides if they wade uber-dragons you couldnt beat probsbly the first thing you will do is run screaming to Bioware that they made the dragons to hard. How bout rather than posting this you go think of a way to make it more challenging. How bout no gear at all, soloed and done using no spells or talents. If you havent tried this you obviously arent trying ALL the possible options to make battles harder.

+10

[Evolution33]

Some people want to be one shot killed by mobs in a game. Are these the same people that hang themselves to get high and cut themselves when they get depressed. I mean seriously if you can be one shot killed the game would become unplayable.

[mosspit]

Evolution33 wrote...

Some people want to be one shot killed by mobs in a game. Are these the same people that hang themselves to get high and cut themselves when they get depressed. I mean seriously if you can be one shot killed the game would become unplayable.

Yes this game is so freaking easy that ppl just solo'ed it left right center. So why not impose self-restrictions to increase the challenge? Naked solo is exaggerated sure. But what about no health poultice/solo. I know of at least one person on this boards that have done it with a non-mage so its not impossible.

There is always a middle ground. If high dragon is too easy, solo cauthrien. If cauthrien is too easy, solo her in the room with the archers. If that is too easy, solo her in the room with no potions. If that is too easy, do it without forcefield. There are always way to improve the challenge. If self-imposed methods like solo appeals to a gamer, I don't see how things like no potions or whatever doesn't.

[Khayness]

I use faketalk, and I'm damn proud of it!

[Silent Fear]

 Hum you are probably right.

 Why should nightmare difficulty be anything more then normal difficulty but whit more phat loot ? I mean if you don't look for a challenge why care how hard the nightmare difficulty is it's not like you are gona play on it em i rite ?
 And outside of just trowing an insult toward me (that i suck at playing games obviously for wanting a challenging experience ) why did you decide that i will whine if there is a dragon that i cant take on nightmare ? I decide to play the game on that lvl - if i fail it my own problem. 
 And care to explaining why should i be the one thinking how to make the game more challenging? What's next ? Maybe i should start imagine my challenging battles ? This just make no sense what so ever. I mean i build a character, hunt treasures, follow rumors about long forgotten powerful items - just so my character can grow and empowering himself not the opposite.
 So for my next replay of the game i should make character named Village Idiot armed whit a stick and finish the game butt naked ?

 And once again if you dont play on nightmare why care that we want stronger opponents ? And if you play on nightmare just for the loot then ima sad for ya.

 Evolution33 what i ment is - the game is that much more interesting when each battle is not just "another group of mobs that i will wtf pwn whiteout even thinking". Afc getting one shoted is no fun but one shoting the mobs is not fun either.