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[Cuthlan]

I believe the point is that what you did isn't soloing.

[SuperMedbh]

Suprez30 wrote...

The roleplaying excuse actually 's quite good . Because you're not really supposed to have 5475893 fire resist and + 5485934 cold dmg when you run into the dragon.

Oh look a dragon!! I need fire resist .. BRB

Right you are.  I've done four runs in DA:O now, and yes, the fourth was fairly easy.  I showed up at Flemeth with my drake scale armour and warmth balm.  La, she went down.

The first time?  I thought I'd wander over and confront a mage, no doubt a tough one, but still.  Then "ZAP!  Dragon time!" and I'm running about dodging flame breath and all that.  It was far more fun than my last run (in fact, having done all the Origin stories, I've shelved DA until Awakenings).

Role playing isn't an "excuse", for many of us it's the thing that draws us to Bioware games over any number of action games out there.  Whoops...sorry, serious response to a "if u cant fite dragon like i do u suk" thread.

[worksa8]

No. I disagree entirely, for so many reasons I can't even list them all.

[AmstradHero]

wowpwnslol wrote...

AmstradHero wrote...
Right, so you made a highly optimized character build with extremely good gear, and found it was possible to defeat dragons "easily". Congratulations. Do you want a medal? Not everyone is a power gamer. A lot of gamers found the Dragon battles challenging and exciting. Perhaps if you want a more challenging experience, you should try placing roleplaying limits on your character?

The role playing excuse is really old and tired. Basically it's people who are generally poor players that can't spend a little time researching the abilities and building a decent character, so they hide behind the "role playing excuse" and drag the game difficulty for everyone.

Bollocks and codswallop.

Can't spend a little time researching the abilities... or perhaps would rather not pick a completely optimised build but instead make character development choices that apply to the character persona they are roleplaying.

It does sound like the difficulty in nightmare could have been increased a little, but I like my roleplaying games to support roleplaying, not demand pure powergaming.

Hey, in Morrowind, Oblivion and Fallout 3, if I picked a really powerful build, they were easy as well even on the highest difficulty level.  In a single player roleplaying game, there is not the need to develop perfectly optimised builds like there is for PvP "RPG-lite" games.  Sure, I've played Diablo 2 and WoW,etc, that do require that sort of strategy, and liked those games too, but they're a different game. There's no need to demand powergaming for every single game.

[wowpwnslol]

AmstradHero wrote...

Bollocks and codswallop.

Can't spend a little time researching the abilities... or perhaps would rather not pick a completely optimised build but instead make character development choices that apply to the character persona they are roleplaying.

It does sound like the difficulty in nightmare could have been increased a little, but I like my roleplaying games to support roleplaying, not demand pure powergaming.

Hey, in Morrowind, Oblivion and Fallout 3, if I picked a really powerful build, they were easy as well even on the highest difficulty level.  In a single player roleplaying game, there is not the need to develop perfectly optimised builds like there is for PvP "RPG-lite" games.  Sure, I've played Diablo 2 and WoW,etc, that do require that sort of strategy, and liked those games too, but they're a different game. There's no need to demand powergaming for every single game.

Why can't nightmare difficulty be a difficulty where you must have a highly optimised character to beat? Before release a Bio dev claimed that nightmare difficulty is almost impossible for a PARTY - and you'd literally have to be a masochist in order to play it. What did we get? A game which every class can solo (with varying degrees of difficulty)

It's disgusting how selfish RPers are. They have easy/normal/hard to play their crappy builds and reload convo options on. Why not give players who actually build decent characters and use everything the game has to offer a real difficulty like Bio originally promised and never delivered.

[Spitz6860]

wowpwnslol wrote...

It's disgusting how selfish RPers are. They have easy/normal/hard to play their crappy builds and reload convo options on. Why not give players who actually build decent characters and use everything the game has to offer a real difficulty like Bio originally promised and never delivered.

can't say you are much better, you are just on the opposite side of the spectrum, they don't care about harcore or even obsessive gamers like you, and you don't give a horsearse about them.

[kingthrall]

If people were not selfish, then nobody would try to raise the bar as there would be no critisism towards making a better game

[opaj]

wowpwnslol wrote...

I blame self-entitled console crowd who think they should breeze through every encounter by facerolling on their keyboard.

As part of the console crowd, I'd be quite shocked if I could breeze through Dragon Age by facerolling on my keyboard.

Your argument itself has some merit (though I would rather argue that perhaps certain builds are too powerful, and not that the game is too easy), though the way you lash out at everyone lacks charm. While there should be a bigger challenge in the game for players such as yourself, the fact is that there isn't, so if you want a challenge - you'll have to use the old and tired roleplayer excuse.

Perhaps the developer who boasted about the game's difficulty wasn't very good at the game himself?

[Spitz6860]

kingthrall wrote...

If people were not selfish, then nobody would try to raise the bar as there would be no critisism towards making a better game

that's a bit irational isn't it? the wow guy's pretty much saying Bioware should just make games for him and people like him and everybody else can just go to hell. that's called selfishness. a critisism is like... erm, well, Dragon Age's sex scene is sin against nature? just putting that out there lol

[kingthrall]

I for one do not deny my selfishness. However i do appreciate how bioware put the time and effort into the game. If you really wanted i could post my review of the game (which would be deleted by moderators).



In the end, it will never be as good as baldurs gate. As for sex scenes, i think they should of had some real action and clothes off entirely. I wont go into detail lol, but wearing bra's, boots and dryhumping is such a bad way of showing sex. (both male and female)



This is why Bethesda steers away from Boyfreinds and Girlfreinds because they know it will look shocking, and why the witcher had the right idea with the tarot cards and small snipets of geralt beforehand getting ready for the lovely ladies.



I see your point, but we are all selfish in some small way. Otherwise if we didnt want somthing from a game, we woudnt buy it.

[AmstradHero]

Spitz6860 wrote...

wowpwnslol wrote...

It's disgusting how selfish RPers are. They have easy/normal/hard to play their crappy builds and reload convo options on. Why not give players who actually build decent characters and use everything the game has to offer a real difficulty like Bio originally promised and never delivered.

can't say you are much better, you are just on the opposite side of the spectrum, they don't care about harcore or even obsessive gamers like you, and you don't give a horsearse about them.

He's also ignored the point where I said "It does sound like the difficulty in nightmare could have been increased
a little".  Or maybe it could have even been increased a lot? i thought there were mods out there that did this already?

Do I care that the OP considers the game "way too easy"? Not particularly, especially given the nature and tone of his responses to anyone who has disagreed with him. The wonderful thing about the world is that everyone has their own opinions. It's a good thing to actually listen and try and understand where people are coming from occasionally - just a thought. But I digress.

I agree that there should be a difficulty level to cater to the level of challenge he wants.  That said, if he's going to use cheesy tactics (which it sounds like he might be), subsequently complaining about the easy difficulty seems a little rich.

[Haplose]

Axekix wrote...

The AI needs improvements, yes. People shouldn't be able to dex stack to the point that they become unhittable by mobs... templars shouldn't be able to have 100% spell immunity via gear... Dragons shouldn't just stay in 1 spot while you pelt at them.

So very true, in all these points, yes.

Oh, you Lyrium pots should be rare.. and use of pots limited to, say, 1 per minute.

Modifié par Haplose, 13 mars 2010 - 01:07 .

[wowpwnslol]

AmstradHero wrote...


I agree that there should be a difficulty level to cater to the level of challenge he wants.  That said, if he's going to use cheesy tactics (which it sounds like he might be), subsequently complaining about the easy difficulty seems a little rich.

Define cheesy tactics.

You mean Bioware's AI that is so pathetic it spams every single long cooldown ability into force field? Or AI that is so dumb that it gets stuck in obstacles, behind doors, etc...? Or archers that run away when attacked just fine, but when hit by AoE just sit there and die? Or is it melee that blindly leave their friends behind?

AI in this game is VERY poor, it's hard not to abuse it because otherwise you'd be unable to use half of your spells.

[ismm]

I find it funny that people brag about soloing the game on nightmare and having an easy time doing it, implying that they needed a really high level of skill to do so, when in truth all they did was chugging potions and spamming spells.

[Feraele]

LoneFullmetal wrote...

What is this, I don't.

I'm having trouble beating the high dragon, I can get her down to 1/4 her health but then usually either my tank or healer dies and it's game over...

Better off using ranged characters...well it works for me anyways.

[General Balls]

Personally I think you should take the initiative and get a hardcore mod to increase the difficulty. Hardcore gamers usually get the quick shank of a knife because of what they are. Not everyone is as good as them, so Bioware balances the game around the majority. They can't cater to everyone, which is also why they made the modding tools.



The way to give yourself a more challenging experience is there. If you're not going to use it, it isn't the fault of Bioware.

[Nogthwai]

relhart wrote...

DrekorSilverfang wrote...

Would be better to make a difficulty setting that was actually difficult.

Pretty much this, I'm by no means a power gamer, there are plenty of games out there that offered a challenge to me.  I tore through nightmare with barely a thought, with "rp" characters.  Nightmare mode in this game is severely lacking.  Thats a pretty big deal for a game that has this much combat, some of us actually like being challenged in our hobbies.

I agree with this. I didn't specifically tailor my characters and had no problems in nightmare at all. With time, the fights became even easier, the balance doesn't seem to make higher levels more challenging. I'm not claiming that I'm ze uberpro or what do I know,  but I certainly want some form of challenge. Sadly Dragon Age is too easy for me and that does indeed breaks my  immersion. Monsters become a ressource to farm in the end anyway.

They really should make hard and nightmare a bit harder, I mean Mass Effect 2 certainly wasn't as easy as DA:O, atleast for me. I have no problems if someone finds normal hard, but the additional two difficulties don't really scale as much as they should.      

[FrostKing]

I can see it all now. A parents basement. Clad in black with hardly a white GE light in the vicinity. The only illumination coming from strip lighting veiled about the crown of the ceiling. The light in either a green or blue color, or perhaps good ol' colorful christmas lights. Everything for the most part dim and depressing. A bowl of bones from last nights chicken wing bonanza sitting next to the world of warcraft mousepad accumulating the stench from rot and drool! Various prenticehall text books strewn about amidst the shotty fantasy novels produced in bulk by half rate penny pinching authors. A pudgy, self indulgent, little boy sitting in his plush office chair littered with potato chip crumbs. Masking his under endowment and pity with an aggressive stance in his view of how everything around him should be. Hidden from view through his "series of tubes." The only female encounter being with Bill Buckley, the level 80 night elf mage girl he faps to in azeroth.

The kind of lowly trolling, shut-in being that boasts himself through semi-subliminal rants about the ease with which he can slay a dragon in a game. The type of person you could never confront in life to mock and tear apart because he never emerges from his musty home cavern. Never revealing himself out of fear from all of the past disappointments of his "romantic endeavors" (webcam girls pretending to disconnect to get away). The type of person known to speak mostly in retarded simple gamer form, as follows: "Die noob, epic fail FTW, pwned you epicly, failed epic pwn for the win l2p noob fail" followed by a rage quit halfway into telling his mom how to make his sandwich. A person who names himself wowpwnlol and does the most excellent of e-penis ego wrangling since grandma shaved her mustache and went down on daddies piglet canard.

[wowpwnslol]

FrostKing wrote...

I can see it all now. A parents basement. Clad in black with hardly a white GE light in the vicinity. The only illumination coming from strip lighting veiled about the crown of the ceiling. The light in either a green or blue color, or perhaps good ol' colorful christmas lights. Everything for the most part dim and depressing. A bowl of bones from last nights chicken wing bonanza sitting next to the world of warcraft mousepad accumulating the stench from rot and drool! Various prenticehall text books strewn about amidst the shotty fantasy novels produced in bulk by half rate penny pinching authors. A pudgy, self indulgent, little boy sitting in his plush office chair littered with potato chip crumbs. Masking his under endowment and pity with an aggressive stance in his view of how everything around him should be. Hidden from view through his "series of tubes." The only female encounter being with Bill Buckley, the level 80 night elf mage girl he faps to in azeroth.

The kind of lowly trolling, shut-in being that boasts himself through semi-subliminal rants about the ease with which he can slay a dragon in a game. The type of person you could never confront in life to mock and tear apart because he never emerges from his musty home cavern. Never revealing himself out of fear from all of the past disappointments of his "romantic endeavors" (webcam girls pretending to disconnect to get away). The type of person known to speak mostly in retarded simple gamer form, as follows: "Die noob, epic fail FTW, pwned you epicly, failed epic pwn for the win l2p noob fail" followed by a rage quit halfway into telling his mom how to make his sandwich. A person who names himself wowpwnlol and does the most excellent of e-penis ego wrangling since grandma shaved her mustache and went down on daddies piglet canard.

Projection....

[Fricktion]

I totally agree! I don't believe anyone got below 75% HP during my run at any of the dragons! Origins or in Awakening!