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[swk3000]

The title doesn't describe my question very well, but what I want to know is this: If I'm a Paragon and I take the Renegade Path in Zaeed's Loyalty Mission, will I have any problems passing Paragon Checks later in the game? Especially if I stick with the Paragon path for the rest of the game? As a Soldier, the Assault Rifle Damage upgrade will be more helpful than the Heavy Weapon Ammo upgrade, but I'm afraid I'll screw myself out of some of the later Paragon conversation options if I take it.

Does anyone know how this would turn out?

[sonsonthebia07]

It shouldn't directly effect any paragon checks, you will still need the desired amount of paragon points to pass the checks.



You can be a little renegade here and there, just don't be too neutral or you will have problems passing checks sometimes.

[swk3000]

sonsonthebia07 wrote...

It shouldn't directly effect any paragon checks, you will still need the desired amount of paragon points to pass the checks.

You can be a little renegade here and there, just don't be too neutral or you will have problems passing checks sometimes.

Actually, the game doesn't use a hard point system. Instead, it tracks how many Paragon options you've taken compared to how many were available, and uses that percentage to determine if you pass a check. There are people who didn't have enough Paragon to break up the fight between Jack and Miranda, and could never regain the loyalty of the person they'd lost even with a full Paragon bar.

[sonsonthebia07]

I haven't had any issues like that myself. :/



Forget what I said then.

[Salotus]

swk3000 wrote...
Actually, the game doesn't use a hard point system. Instead, it tracks how many Paragon options you've taken compared to how many were available, and uses that percentage to determine if you pass a check. There are people who didn't have enough Paragon to break up the fight between Jack and Miranda, and could never regain the loyalty of the person they'd lost even with a full Paragon bar.

Sounds like you know more than the people your asking the question to.

I did the Renegade path with my Paragon and never had trouble ever picking the Paragon choice.

[the red boon]

swk3000 wrote...

The title doesn't describe my question very well, but what I want to know is this: If I'm a Paragon and I take the Renegade Path in Zaeed's Loyalty Mission, will I have any problems passing Paragon Checks later in the game? Especially if I stick with the Paragon path for the rest of the game? As a Soldier, the Assault Rifle Damage upgrade will be more helpful than the Heavy Weapon Ammo upgrade, but I'm afraid I'll screw myself out of some of the later Paragon conversation options if I take it.

Does anyone know how this would turn out?

Nope, you'll have a lot more chances to go max out your paragon, than you can go evil as you want until the last mission which will decide if your a paragon or renegade the next game.

[swk3000]

So the general consensus is that as long as that's my only Renegade choice in the game, then I'll be fine? That's exactly what I wanted to hear. Thanks everyone.

[Ackillez]

The size of your ME1 import bonuses determine how much leeway you get with varying between paragon and renegade choices. A character with maxed import bonuses and the +100% negotiation skill can get to about 80% full bar on the 'secondary' bar without losing access to the most important conversation options of their 'primary' alignment.



With less bonuses you will be more restricted. I can't give any solid numbers here, but going the renegade route with Zaeed should be well within your margins.

[Salotus]

Ackillez wrote...

The size of your ME1 import bonuses determine how much leeway you get with varying between paragon and renegade choices. A character with maxed import bonuses and the +100% negotiation skill can get to about 80% full bar on the 'secondary' bar without losing access to the most important conversation options of their 'primary' alignment.

With less bonuses you will be more restricted. I can't give any solid numbers here, but going the renegade route with Zaeed should be well within your margins.

Oh snap. Your post just made be remeber that I had the death mask on the entire time with my Paragon Soldier. Another possible reason why I never had dialog problems.

Consider Death Mask as a dialog crutch swk3000.

[Tlazolteotl]

I managed to near-max both bars ... but then my import had +190 to both renegade and paragon at the beginning.

[Ackillez]

Tlazolteotl wrote...

I managed to near-max both bars ... but then my import had +190 to both renegade and paragon at the beginning.

So did I, actually I had the renegade bar 100% full, but that's not sufficient to unlock every renegade dialogue (I couldn't renegade Tali/Legion to settle down).

[Tlazolteotl]

I've never seen that option, even with my game that's pure renegade ...

Maybe there's an additional requirement, like previous dialogue choices during loyalty missions or whatever.

[Ackillez]

Tlazolteotl wrote...

I've never seen that option, even with my game that's pure renegade ...
Maybe there's an additional requirement, like previous dialogue choices during loyalty missions or whatever.

It's certainly stupid that a full bar is insufficient for all options. I don't think it's the dialogue stuff either, as I shouted the admiralty down with intimidate twice and nuked the heretics.

[Spyndel]

Ackillez wrote...

Tlazolteotl wrote...

I managed to near-max both bars ... but then my import had +190 to both renegade and paragon at the beginning.

So did I, actually I had the renegade bar 100% full, but that's not sufficient to unlock every renegade dialogue (I couldn't renegade Tali/Legion to settle down).

Theres some debate over whether its even possible to resolve that particular encounter with the renegade option.  Strategy guide says there isn't a renegade option, and I've never seen anyone who says that they have.

Everyone renegade Ive ever seen passes that check by siding with Tali, then talking to Legion afterward to renegade him back in line.

[Cerberus_Avenger]

does zaeed catch vido later on in the game or no?

cause if not, then i'm more fine with watching vido fry like burnt people at the beach at the end of the mission