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[jklinders]

I doubt there will be a place for ALL of ME1 and ME2 characters, but we can speculate on the most likely suspects.



Samara could decide to stay with Shepard IF he is paragon because her daughter is dead and her reason for being a Justcar with her. But she also mentions that Omega would be a good place for her services as well. Call me crazy but I doubt Samara and Aria would tolerate each other for very long. If Samara does go to Omega, then it is likely she get in trouble or die there.



If you gain Tali and Garrus' loyalty and they both survive I see no reason why they would not be in your ME3. They are both popular characters and bioware would inspire an outwash of fan hatred over their absence. Somehow I think they will be there.



I'd say Miranda has a pretty good chance of showing in the third game and I think her survival gives good opportunity for plot development regarding Cerberus and TIM. Looking forward to see how that plays out actually.



Jacob seemed kind of indifferent at game end, was kind of concerned over making enemies with TIM if you blow up the station, he seems to be an unknown.



Zaeed is out for the paycheck so he is gone. Unless Shep can find someone to pay his rates.



Thane has a year to live. I don't think he will live to see the opening credits.



Grunt sees Shepard as a surrogate parent and a Battlemaster without equal. He could stay for that reason, but he also has ample reason to go to Tuchanka as well, could go either way.



Mordan does not have long to live either. he may die of old age before opening credits.



In terms of resources to give voice to all of the characters, well, I would say that Bioware could set it up, it would cost more, it would involve more work, that is not to say it is impossible to do. Just more expensive and a whole shedload of scriptwriting.

[Blameless77]

I think it's likely that choices will play a bigger role in ME3 since Bioware doesn't have to worry about continuity in Shepard's story anymore as they've stated ME3 is the final act. I'm not saying that they're going to sit down and create two entirely different games, but it seems likely to me that the Council decision and the Reaper base decision will be more prominent in ME3.

[Too Few Names]

ME3 will suck because...



That's a pretty black and white argument you have there.



If the game was written to be part of a trilogy then it stands to reason the second installment won't see all the decisions and ramifications from ME1 played out. Who is to say what the reaction will be to what happened in the ME2? What is the longer term impact of letting the council die? Will anyone trust you after your affiliation with Cerberus? Can you go back to the alliance? Do you want to? If not, where will you go? Who will help you? What is your plan?



There is so much potential. Maybe if a major character dies, they come back or never really died (it's happened before and doesn't need to make sense). Perhaps if you let them die, they will be more of a hinderance than a help. It really depends on the time, budget and ambition of Bioware. I doubt they would wrap it up with some straight FPS and characters no one cares about. If they do... well...it wouldn't be the first time someone messed up a trilogy.

[kraidy1117]

Nozybidaj wrote...

XX55XX wrote...
Thus, it only seems fitting that BioWare retire the current crop of ME2 squadmates and bring in some new people. The squad may end up looking something like this:

1. Ashley/Kaidan (depending on lived on Virmire)
2. Liara (obvious given, since she can't be killed)

The remainder of the squad will be filled in by completely new squadmates or minor characters from either ME1 or ME2 who could not be killed in any way. Furthermore, any ME2 squadmates who lived will have small five to ten minute cameo roles.

That would be just about perfect.

Sigh and here we have a Liara fanboy they always cry about liara being a cameo it's sad.

[screwoffreg]

If Liara ascends to the role of Shadowbroker I can't see how she would join the squad though... She will basically be the anti-Illusive man, smoking a cigarette while wearing a hood and leaving cryptic messages on Shepard's answering machine.

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

Maybe mass effect 3 won't even have squadmates and it will feature a much larger scope battle scenario than you might even be considering.





Although seriously I think because this is the cap of the trilogy that they're going to let themselves go crazy with it. ME2 hooked people and probably sold plenty of copies of the first game, now that they've got that audience penetration they don't really have to worry about hooking new people so much so they can just follow through on all sorts of crazy ideas. **** that went down in Tali's mission is probably going to be a big example of the kinds of WILD DIVERGENCES that will occur in ME3. There's probably going to be room for most of the 10 squadmates from 2, although I wouldn't be surprised if some of them end up in unique situations. (For instance, my resolution to the jack and miranda fight ended up hinting that jack is going to hunt down miranda and has me thinking that i'm going to have to choose which of the two lives and dies in the sequel; thane I'm betting might die in between the games, or be on his deathbed in 3, but how his story played out in 2 will have some lasting impact on 3) I wouldn''t be surprised if they don't bring Samara back as a squadmate....Jacob and Miranda might not come back due to their ties with cerberus, and you might even be forced to side with them or the alliance (kaiden/ashley) at some point in the game, resulting in more depressing situations...Mordin might open up a clinic or get roped up into some dangerous science again that MIGHT EVEN put you at odds with him in a worst case scenario...you might even have a situation where if you don't handle things right in 2 that you'll have to choose between tali and legion. Garrus and Grunt seem to be the only two that will probably not have much in the way of their return to battle, and you'll probably get Liara back too.



I'm more interested in the sort of roles characters that are in charge of their own "armies" (such as wrex) or have other types of outside influence will impact the resolution of 3. I'm willing to bet that the equivalent of the loyalty missions in 2 are going to end up being tags for these various larger impact choices we've made throughout 1 and 2. Alliances with organizations and factions over characters. The Citadel, Alliance, Krogan, Rachni, Geth, Floatilla, Cerberus....all of those seem like far larger reaching potential factors in the endgame of 3. Hell we might even have quests in 3 that involve gaining the allegence of the blood pack, eclipse, and blue suns.

[bjdbwea]

I agree with the OP. BioWare pretty much destroyed any hope of a real, coherent trilogy by sidelining the story from part 1, and most importantly by trashing most old characters and bringing in so much new. It would require a lot of resources and enough time to properly continue it all. BioWare/EA have shown with ME 2 that they are unfortunately not able or willing to invest this kind of effort.

But while I hope that Liara, Ashley and Kaidan will play an important role, I wouldn't even count on that. The only fans that have nothing to worry about are those of Tali, though it would be interesting to see the forums melting down if she got the same treatment in ME 3 as the ME 1 LIs in ME 2.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 08 mars 2010 - 05:03 .

[kraidy1117]

bjdbwea wrote...

I agree with the OP. BioWare pretty much destroyed any hope of a real, coherent trilogy by sidelining the story from part 1, and most importantly by trashing most old characters and bringing in so much new. It would require a lot of resources and enough time to properly continue it all. BioWare/EA have shown with ME 2 that they are unfortunately not able or willing to invest this kind of effort.

But while I hope that Liara, Ashley and Kaidan will play an important role, I wouldn't even count on that. The only fans that have nothing to worry about are those of Tali, though it would be interesting to see the forums melting down if she got the same treatment in ME 3 as the ME 1 LIs in ME 2.

What where you expeting? Sigh I think too much people where expecting and to them they wanted more. I for one was surprised on how much BW gave us and the new characters are alot better then the ones in ME (excluding Garrus, Tali and Wrex) Sorry but you might like borining blue aliens and carth wannabes and such but not everyone does.

[screwoffreg]

bjdbwea wrote...

I agree with the OP. BioWare pretty much destroyed any hope of a real, coherent trilogy by sidelining the story from part 1, and most importantly by trashing most old characters and bringing in so much new. It would require a lot of resources and enough time to properly continue it all. BioWare/EA have shown with ME 2 that they are unfortunately not able or willing to invest this kind of effort.

But while I hope that Liara, Ashley and Kaidan will play an important role, I wouldn't even count on that. The only fans that have nothing to worry about are those of Tali, though it would be interesting to see the forums melting down if she got the same treatment in ME 3 as the ME 1 LIs in ME 2.

I imagine the opposite really . ME 1 characters will take a more prominent role and I have a bad feeling some ME 2 characters will be sidelined, maybe even the romances to an extent.  Liara, in particular, seems to be ascending to a powerful position eventually I just hope she doesn't become the Dark Lord of the Sith of ME.

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

I don't think they destroyed a trilogy by allowing you freedom in who lives and dies. If they play up the various armies we've interacted with throughout the galaxy as the focal point in 3 it could give us a very epic finale.



1 was about SHEPARD, 2 was about YOUR CREW, 3 might be about THE ENTIRE GALAXY. I'd say that's a pretty decent ramp of epicness.

[spacehamsterZH]

There's a pretty simple solution to the whole issue of all your squadmates being potentially dead in ME3 - the version of the game you get when you start without an imported character has some of them alive and some dead, and that's the one that's "canon" (if there is such a thing for Mass Effect.) For any of the ones that are dead in the canonical version that you saved, you get cameos, out of the others you get whoever you got through alive, problem solved.

[Doomhams]

I think they will take the time to do it simply because they are not starting development over from scratch. They have almost all the models they will need. They have animations in place. They have sounds. They have a game engine to run it all. This means that they can focus more money on more resources for making a lot more game because they don't have to focus on making all of the support structure nearly as much as before. They could make a game twice what mass effect 2 was in the same time since a lot of work is already done.

[Kenshen]

jklinders wrote...

I doubt there will be a place for ALL of ME1 and ME2 characters, but we can speculate on the most likely suspects.

Samara could decide to stay with Shepard IF he is paragon because her daughter is dead and her reason for being a Justcar with her. But she also mentions that Omega would be a good place for her services as well. Call me crazy but I doubt Samara and Aria would tolerate each other for very long. If Samara does go to Omega, then it is likely she get in trouble or die there.

If you gain Tali and Garrus' loyalty and they both survive I see no reason why they would not be in your ME3. They are both popular characters and bioware would inspire an outwash of fan hatred over their absence. Somehow I think they will be there.

I'd say Miranda has a pretty good chance of showing in the third game and I think her survival gives good opportunity for plot development regarding Cerberus and TIM. Looking forward to see how that plays out actually.

Jacob seemed kind of indifferent at game end, was kind of concerned over making enemies with TIM if you blow up the station, he seems to be an unknown.

Zaeed is out for the paycheck so he is gone. Unless Shep can find someone to pay his rates.

Thane has a year to live. I don't think he will live to see the opening credits.

Grunt sees Shepard as a surrogate parent and a Battlemaster without equal. He could stay for that reason, but he also has ample reason to go to Tuchanka as well, could go either way.

Mordan does not have long to live either. he may die of old age before opening credits.

In terms of resources to give voice to all of the characters, well, I would say that Bioware could set it up, it would cost more, it would involve more work, that is not to say it is impossible to do. Just more expensive and a whole shedload of scriptwriting.

I was thinking the same way as you.  I think what will make a difference is how much time will pass between the two games.  If ME3 picks up right where 2 left off then whoever survives the last mission will be with you at the start of 3.  Course that doesn't mean they stay with you.  I do hope that Mordan lives I just love talking to that guy such a riot.

[Valmy]

I am pretty laid back about Bioware's games. Even if they sideline my favorite characters I have total confidence that the ones they introduce will be just as interesting.



They make great games. Period. I will play it and enjoy it.

[Reptilian Rob]

It's pretty damn funny that the OP is judging a game that probably wont be out for another year or so.



Good job on using that big ol' brain of yours.

[macrocarl]

I'm betting all romance option friendly characters will be in for ME3..... regardless of who survived or not in your suicde mission. That's a pile of people (plus Joker and EDI) Everyone else is up in the air for a return, which is fine. I just hope I can put TIM in a headlock for the 3rd installment!

[Talogrungi]

How I think the squadmate transition will be handled:

• Bioware will establish a "canon" much as they did with ME2.
• In that canon some squadmates will die during the suicide mission.
• If your import includes a canonically dead character, they'll get Wrex style cameos.
• if your import doesn't include a canonically living character, you'll have one squaddie less.
• The Virmire survivor and Liara will return as squadmates.
• A small number of new squadmates will become available.

I think player decisions from ME1 and ME2 will impact in ME3. It's the end of the trilogy and it makes sense that everything comes to a head in the finale. Having the Paragon/Renegade routes diverge in ME2 would have been pretty cool .. but might have led to too many variables to allow for ME3 to kick off smoothly.

[tehprincessJ]

As far as what happened to Wrex's role in ME2, your logic makes sense, but my thoughts are this: ME1 was all about visions and plot and story. ME2... not so much. It was all about recruitment and loyalty and "building your team". I feel that the character development suffered for having so many squad members, but at the same time, so much of ME2's plot was only about assembling this team. You can't predict what will happen in ME3 based on the way things turned out with ME1 chars in ME2. You just can't.

So it can go either way, really. And honestly, I'm all for seeing new faces (I do, however, want Kaidan back in my squad goddamnit), but we'd better not spend the bulk of ME3 "building up our team" again. I rather preffered ME1's quick recruitment.

Also: I think a lot of signs point to uniting the races in ME3. Regardless of how things turn out with Wrex (although I do believe it will help your cause if he is alive), the e-mail from the shaman on Tuchanka suggests that if Grunt doesn't survive the events of ME2, you're going to be in trouble with the krogan. Tali's dad sends a message warning you to take care of her "or else" when she first joins your crew. If you let the council die at the end of ME1, you can forget about help from the turians, asari, or salarians. The way Legion's mission plays out will impact any future help from that quarter (not to mention that you can just forget about it if Legion doesn't survive the mission). And so on...

At least, that's the direction it appears to be going for me. So maybe our decisions will matter. Above and beyond simple dialog. We'll see. Here's hoping for the best.

Modifié par tehprincessJ, 08 mars 2010 - 06:05 .

[GenericPlayer2]

The OP makes sense, unfortunately opinions like this are not welcome. Rabid fans of specific squad members will come in and say "No! _____ is too important to the storyline". If any one person was too important to the storyline, they would get the Alistair treatment - i.e. you couldn't get rid of them until the very end.



People point to optional characters and optional loyalty quests as proof of what is in store for ME3. Guess what? If resolving the Geth/Quarian problem or the Krogan Genophage was critical for ME3, then those loyalty quests would not have been optional! If they are too important to the ME3 storyline, then the decisions you made during ME2 on those optional quests would be whitewashed and insignificant. We have already seen main-storyline decisions have minimal effect on gameplay. What exactly can you expect from optional-storyline decisions like erasing the genophage data, rewriting the Geth, or conduct at Tali's trial?



The only one that matters is Shepard and the Reapers. Everything else is filler.

[Karstedt]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Karstedt wrote...

I'm more worried about the 'streamlining' of the game. It could turn into and outright FPS.

For that they'd have to do a complete engine rewrite, waste of time.

No they don't, they just have to further strip down features like they did from ME1 -> 2. It would be very easy to turn ME3 into an semi linear story drivens FPS with great dialog and minimal RPG elements.

[naledgeborn]

'Fore I get accused of being a BW apologist I'll admit that ME2 :has its fair shares of cringable (is that even a word?) importation defects.



Some people are taking this sh!t for granted. When BW set out to make the ME trilogy they were heading into unknown territory. I'm not 100 on this but I'm pretty sure ME2 is the first of it's kind in that the decisions you make are carried over even if they are flawed. Now that they know what they're doing, it can only get better. My .02

[Skilled Seeker]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

It's pretty damn funny that the OP is judging a game that probably wont be out for another year or so.

Good job on using that big ol' brain of yours.

^This. OP you are the ultimate disappointment of humanity.

[Skilled Seeker]

Karstedt wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Karstedt wrote...

I'm more worried about the 'streamlining' of the game. It could turn into and outright FPS.

For that they'd have to do a complete engine rewrite, waste of time.

No they don't, they just have to further strip down features like they did from ME1 -> 2. It would be very easy to turn ME3 into an semi linear story drivens FPS with great dialog and minimal RPG elements.

Except the game is built around 3rd person cover based combat not first. Don't use words you don't understand.

[screwoffreg]

Eh, judging a game that is at least a year and half if not two years away is TRULY jumping the gun. I think Bioware made some business-related compromises in ME 2, but they said themselves that ME 3 will have "no limits!!!!" because it is the last game. Maybe they will get extreme and put in everything they ever wanted to...but were to afraid too!