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[Jallard]

Well, I am at the final onslaught trying to kill the archdemon, the damn dragon, and it is virtually impossible. I have tried six times already without success. Is there a cheat code?

The Elves and or the Mages are virtually useless against fighting off the horde while my team concentrates on the Archdeamon. So, I can't win because I am trying to fight off the horde while fighting the bastard. Alister is useless as he always has been throughout the entire game. Leliana can't stay alive. So, I am constantly babysitting her and Alister, which takes me away from fighting the Archdeamon. I am a powerful Human female mage, but even with all of my spells I can't lock the bastard down long enough to do any significant damage.  To me this is not fun. I do not enjoy having to keep trying. Six times already, to me, is more than enough. I know that most people enjoy that kind of challenge, but I don't. It makes me angy -- especially for paying for a game that I can't win.

Trtust me when I say, that my main character has more than enough AOE spells as well as attack spells to do the job, but they do minimal damage. Leliana with her bow and arrow on rapid fire does more damage than all of my character's spells as well as Morrigan's spells: But, keeping her alive is bull****.  The Archdeamon's death cloud is too goddamn deadly.

Does anyone have any answers or suggestions --other than me quiting playing the game? I would appreciate it very much. Thank you.

[islander91]

relax, all you need to do at the beginning of the level is use a greater warmth balm and then a greater spirit balm on all in your party that will help you out immensly, aoe spells don,t work on the dragon because she moves to much, as for the hord call in the dwarfs they are best against them.

if you don't have the balms you can buy them from sandal.

[Creature 1]

Befuddled. The darkspawn fall with one hit, and the archdemon is a matter of chipping away at it. Are you using spirit resistance balms? Use those, try to keep its attention on Alistair, and move characters out of the area of effect spells.



The final battle isn't about dealing significant damage, it's about ameliorating damage done to your party, keeping people alive, and gradually beating the archdemon down. There's nothing in your mage's toolkit that's going to knock the archdemon out rapidly.

[DargonBlak]

Fighting dragons can be tricky, and the worst (imo) is Flemeth since you can't move around... the archdemon runs second... (all the hopping around and the darkspawnis real annoying)...

So, instead of giving you pointers on you game play, i'll tell you how i've beaten it 6 times, and only had to terminate and re-start once.

First, i set all character's tactics to use Health (or Greater) Poultice when Health is down by 50% (choice depends on total health and what 50% means), second i set another tactics slot to trigger at <25% health to use a Lesser Health (this fills the gap while the other one re-charges).

Next, keeping you tank alive is of primary importance; he draws he threat... keeping Leliana alive can also be important since she deals a constant level of damage... but you seem to know this...

Try to keep the Dragon frozen, stunned, paralyzed, etc, but don't try too much AoE since it will kill your guys also...

Keep you Team together ! The time i had to re-load was because Alistair went running off to activate/battle darkspawn as they came out of the doors.. very stupid for him to do this, so i actually turn off the "auto move" function for parts of the battle and manually control my guys...

Also, by staying away from the doors where the darkspawn are, i don't activate all of them...

i'll wait for you reply before adding more... i hope it helps.

[Jallard]

Thanks. I just really wish I didn't have to spend time babysitting my team. Telling them what to do every second. Healing them and the like. This pausing every second to issue orders or to heal just gets under my skin. The Archdemon jumps up and flies off and my teammates haven't the sense to follow it and to keep fighting. They just stop. In the meantime I fighting the dragon and not paying attention to what they are doing, which is usually nothing or dying, because they are stupid. I am truly sorry it just frustrates me so.

[Jallard]

The damn dragon moves around too much, way too much for my liking. Alister has been a constant thorn in my side the entire game, as is Leliana. Leliana who will not stay on task. If you assign her a target to take out, she will not stay the course until that target is deceased. As for the tactics menu thing, I still haven't figured it out. I can't make any sense of it. I want my team to stay on task and stay alive: and, not to do anything stupid.



As for spirit balm I don' have enough. I can't make any either. At some point the archdeamon flys to a place that I can't get to. What's more none of the spells will reach that far. Only Leliana can get him with her bow, but the Archdemon's death cloud kills her everytime



I have already prepaid for the expansion pact too and want to win at least one game. I imagine Bioware has made that virtually miserable as well --even on EASY.

[Sylvius the Mad]

I use the ballistae.

Alternately, have your Mage cast long-duration damage spells (like Blizzard) and then Forcefield herself. I had Morrigan beat the archdemon almost single-handedly like that (I had the Elves handling the darkspawn).

If you haven't figured out the tactics page, then no wonder you're having problems. Just having the wrong behaviour setting can cause your party members to disregard your orders and do stupid things (like swapping weapons and charging in when you had him standing back with a bow).

Learn the tactics screen.

[Jallard]

I just tried to go back to Sandal to pick up supplies only to realize that I would have to fight my way back to the damn roof again. That just made me cry. It certainly doesn't help that I am sick with a sinus infection and my patience is wearing extremely thin. I know that many of the people out there thrive on extreme challenges, much like the puzzles in the game, but I am not of the kind. I want to kill, maim and destroy and win the game. Along the way I want to enjoy the dialogue and the cut scenes.



As for the Tactics menu how can I learn something that is so damn complicated to me. I have tried to use it to my detriment. It is too confusing. I like keeping things simple, not complicated. And, unless there is someone standing over my shoulder showing me, just reading about it won't help.



I didn't see anything in the tactics menu that would cause Leliana to stay on task --only to keep her ranged. One of my pet peeves is when you want to lock your team in place that does not always work especially with Leliana and Alister or Morrigan for that matter.



Did you know that it took me to the Landsmeet before I realized that I needed to keep drinking Lyrium to get all my spells back to use. Before I would just wait until they recharged. There is so much about this game that needs to be learned on the fly. No instructions to speak of.



I really like the game, but it absolutely frustrates me to the point of sheer madness sometimes. I have friends and relatives who worry about me having a heart attack over it because i get so angry.

[Jallard]

Swapping weapons. I still haven't figured that out.

[mousestalker]

Use the '/' key.

[whodawhanow]

6 TIMES!



But really though, my first time in it took me 4 times that, as I learned my through the fight. I didn't even know how to summon the army helpers until I accidently went to the radial menu that showed them. The archers made the biggest difference for me. Most of the horde was downed before they got to the elves then the elves helped with the dwagon.



I never used balms (still don't) I just had Wynne mass healing the group and pop lyrium potions like tylenol. I wasn't great with my tactics either. This time through things are different. Different group and understand tactics better. Starting to use poisons now, but still don't use balms and stuff.

[Xavier Eledhwen]

 Tactics are a must, in fact the 50% health use health pot  is always no. 1 for me. As for leliana staying ranged switch her tactics settings from Default to Range (upper right pull down on tactics screen).

also having all your party selected (hit =) and right clicking on a target makes them all attack that target (not sure what the consoles use) also you can you tactics at set them to attack what ever you are attacking.

I normally ignore the darkspawn and let the dwarfs handle them, sure one or two might come after me, but that's no big deal, they stop as soon as you kill the AD. When the demon goes to that spot where you can't go, run your whole crew up to the balista and just keep firing it at the AD. When he hit 1/4 health he will come pay you a visit.

And this might be a silly question, but check your party's armor, everyone one up there fighting should at least have teir 6 armor imo. Prefferably teir 7

[mousestalker]

It's not rocket science. One of the darkspawn generals drops Corruption which has 75% spirit resistance. Pop that helmet on your tank, voila he's irresistable! Put everyone else at ranged. Either pick an army to do ranged damage (elves or mages) and use you and your companions to kill the adds, or pick a melee army (dwarves, golems or redcliffe) and use your companions at range to slay the arch demon. If you have Wynne as a companion set her tactics to auto heal at either 75% or 50% and auto consume lyrium at 25%. Set your companions tactics to auto use poultices at 50%. You'll chew through poultices and potions but that's why you brought them in the first place.



If Ali is dropping easily, I suggest you look around for some tanking guides. There are some here on the forums. By level 20 he ought to be nigh invulnerable.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Really, 6 times isn't that many. I'm sure I fought Jarvia more times than that, and I certainly fought Caridin more times than that (before ultimately giving up and replaying 25 hours of the game to reach him with a different party).

If you're not willing to learn about the tactics screen, I can't help you. It's a simple series of if-then-else statements.

[Jallard]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Really, 6 times isn't that many. I'm sure I fought Jarvia more times than that, and I certainly fought Caridin more times than that (before ultimately giving up and replaying 25 hours of the game to reach him with a different party).
If you're not willing to learn about the tactics screen, I can't help you. It's a simple series of if-then-else statements.

I can appreciate your persistance. I am just not of the kind. Six times is more than enough for me, however.  "if-then-else statements." What does that mean exactly? I didn't say that I wasn't willing to learn how to utilize the Tactics
menu. I don't know where you got that notion. As I said before I tried using it to no avail. It did more harm than good.  I hate doing things over and over again. As for the Golems, I killed off Branka. I didn't like her attitude. (The same goes for Zeveran. I killed him off too.)

Currently the team that I am using against the Archdemon is my character, a human female mage, Alister, Leliana, and Morrigan.

As for the ballista by the time I fugured out how to turn the damn thing around, to fire it at the Archdemon, half my team was dead. The Elves couldn't stop the darkspawn horde from attacking us. Plus the Archdemon's death cloud is exactly that, deadly.

[Vuokseniska]

Jallard wrote...

I didn't see anything in the tactics menu that would cause Leliana to stay on task --only to keep her ranged. One of my pet peeves is when you want to lock your team in place that does not always work especially with Leliana and Alister or Morrigan for that matter.

Did you know that it took me to the Landsmeet before I realized that I needed to keep drinking Lyrium to get all my spells back to use. Before I would just wait until they recharged. There is so much about this game that needs to be learned on the fly. No instructions to speak of.

I really like the game, but it absolutely frustrates me to the point of sheer madness sometimes. I have friends and relatives who worry about me having a heart attack over it because i get so angry.

you didn't know what lyrium potions do till the landsmeet? maybe read the instructionmanual first? If you want to play a boardgame, you need to read the rules first.... the same goes with a digital games.

Use tactics for leliana something like:

Self any:  activate: supressing fire
Enemy: Target using meelee or ranged  attack: Scattershot
Enemy: armor type high or medium: Shattering shot
Enemy: armor type high or medium: critical shot
Enemy: armor type high or medium: Arrow of slaying
Self: heal <50 use any potion

and pausing the game helps alot

oh and you can alwasy lower the difficulty setting..

Modifié par Vuokseniska, 08 mars 2010 - 08:23 .

[Zy-El]

Nah . . . don't give him detailed tactics like that. Bioware actually made it pretty simple.



Pick a role and then a Strategy for each character.



Leliana = Archer, Ranged

Alistair = Scrapper, Aggressive

Wynne = Healer, Ranged

Morrigan = Damager, Ranged

etc . . .



The tactics lines automatically populate with some pre-set codes. For those who want to specialize, yes, you can nit-pick and add new tactic lines or tweak the pre-programmed ones.



I've managed to beat the ArchDemon every time. The first time, I just used the pre-set codes. Later on, I learned more about programming proper tactics and added that Self health < 25% = take smallest poultice to each character helped to keep everybody alive without me having to micromanage them. Good tactics allows you to be free to play your MC exclusively and makes the NPC's take care of themselves.

[caladorne]

If Wynne has the group heal property I always set that up in her tactics for my pc at <25% health and for her to use a greater health poultice <25% and the same for her mana.



What kinda stuff do you have your team equipped w/? What talents/spells do they and you have? We can help you out more if you tell us what you have at your disposal.



Ps. I also have a sinus infection

[Jallard]

It's amusing to me how some people in this forum don't like helping people. Then there are those who do and those people I sincerely appreciate. Incidentally, after the ninth try I beat the Archdemon, just with what I had. What helped to defeat him was the ballista. The Elves helped a little, but my team still had to fight off the darkspawn.

I was sad that everyone went their separate ways in the end. But, such is the way it had to be, I suppose.



Thank you all for your help. Now my next play through will go much smoother.

[Magical Might]

*Hint from a Mage:* Be sure to be able to call a 'Storm of the Century'. I managed to kill the Broodmother in about... 2 and a bit minutes with it. For the Archdemon fight, don't cast it at the Dragon, keep it untill he goes and hides on his platform. If you play on higher than Normal difficulty, keep your friends out of the Storm. (The Storm insta-kills the Grunts and greatly weakens the Shrieks and Alphas.

[roundcrow]

OP, on your next playthrough, it will help to spend more time with the tactics. I first encountered tactics in FFXII, which eases you into them a little better (e.g. when your characters only have one or two tactics slots to begin with, it's simpler).



What your characters will do is continually, throughout the battle, run through the tactics from the first to the last, in that order. If the tactic can be used, it will be used. If the conditions that it is intended for are not present, it will be skipped. What I suggest doing is putting in one tactic at a time, then seeing what happens (surveying the battlefield is easy if you have your PC just hacking away). If someone is dying a lot, try to see what they are doing in the battle.



One mistake I made was putting these two tactics into Leliana's screen:



Enemy attacking from long or medium range: switch to ranged

Enemy attacking from short range: switch to melee



Sounds like it makes sense, right? She then died constantly because all she was doing was switching from one to the other, as in any battle it is inevitable that there will be enemies at short, medium, AND long range. The tactic that worked in this case was



Enemy targeting from short range: switch to melee weapons



My general tactics priorities look like this:



Heal self or others at specific health levels

Use lyrium potions at specific mana levels

Specific attacks (for example, target a mage with Shield Bash, or attack enemies targeting Wynne)

General attacks (e.g. attack target of main character)



Anyway, archdemon experience #1:



I died about ten times, then backed up to the last point-of-no-return save and started over, using my Potent Lyrium Potion profits to buy Lifegiver, Spellward, and my Warden Commander armor back from Bodahn, which was a stupid mistake I'd made earlier. Crafted about 250 Health Poultices and 100 Lyrium potions (that was too many, but whatever)



Party: HNF, Loghain, Leliana, Wynne



The HNF had the Helm of Honnleath/Warden Commander/Starfang/Howe's Shield. Also Lifegiver and Key to the City. Loghain was in the Juggernaut Armor w/Keening Blade. Leliana in Wade's Dragonscale, and I can't remember Wynne. Both swords had Grandmaster Silverite Runes (+10 to darkspawn attacks)



The only two tactics that I changed were Health < 50% - largest health poultice (I certainly had enough) and to attack enemies that were attacking Leliana.



I called the Redcliffe Redshirts to keep the Archdemon busy, and put the whole party on ranged weapons/behavior for the first 50% of the Archdemon's health. Leliana w/her tier 4 device mastery fired the two ballistas that were on the same platform (she does not come near these again, so feel free to use them till they break).



At 50% when the Archdemon flies to the platform and the darkspawn come out, there are two ballistas with which you can still hit her. The Redshirts had not died, so I couldn't call mages or elves for ranged attacks. Again, ballistas till they break, she won't come near these again.



At 25%, she flies to the area furthest from where you entered. More ballista action. The ballista jammed before she was dead, though, so my PC actually did get to strike the final blow.



Anyway. Sorry this is so long, hope there's at least a tidbit that helps.

[AlanC9]

Jallard wrote...
It's amusing to me how some people in this forum don't like helping people.

When a man declares right from the start that he never really learned how to do the thing he wants help with and doesn't particularly want to learn, what should he expect?

I'm amazed that someone so -- ignorant? incompetent? What's a value-neutral word for this? -- could get to the end of the game in the first place. I guess the earlier part really is too easy.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Jallard wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Really, 6 times isn't that many. I'm sure I fought Jarvia more times than that, and I certainly fought Caridin more times than that (before ultimately giving up and replaying 25 hours of the game to reach him with a different party).
If you're not willing to learn about the tactics screen, I can't help you. It's a simple series of if-then-else statements.

I can appreciate your persistance. I am just not of the kind. Six times is more than enough for me, however.  "if-then-else statements." What does that mean exactly? I didn't say that I wasn't willing to learn how to utilize the Tactics

Your entire approach in this thread has shown an unwillingness to make any effort to learn things.  "I can't make sense of it" you said.  Not "I haven't", but "I can't".

Also, I used a term as if it would be understood, and you didn't understand it, so you just threw up your hands and asked for another explanation.  Instead, you could have Googled it to figure out what it meant.

[Jallard]

AlanC9 wrote...

Jallard wrote...
It's amusing to me how some people in this forum don't like helping people.

When a man declares right from the start that he never really learned how to do the thing he wants help with and doesn't particularly want to learn, what should he expect?

I'm amazed that someone so -- ignorant? incompetent? What's a value-neutral word for this? -- could get to the end of the game in the first place. I guess the earlier part really is too easy.

Point taken AlanC9. FYI: I am neither ignorant nor incompentent. I got though the game because of some help from friends, here in the forum,  and through my own persistance. As for the tactics menu --according to some threads that I have read, many who play DAO are split on its usage. In short some prefer it and some don't. Perhaps you should read more. I got through the game without ever using it save for changing Leliana to Ranged. However, I do appreciate your comments.