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[applehug]

If it bugs you that much, only bring characters with armor onto the ship.

[cronshaw8]

I guess some people have never heard of poetic license. I wonder if some of these people would **** at a production of Henry V because there are only a dozen soldiers on stage and Agincourt acutally involved 1000s of soldiers. Damn you Shakespeare you have totally killed the immersion!

[The Governator]

cipher_Cero wrote...

OP is calling out scientific inaccuracies in a world where guns fire unstable singularities that only affect your enemies and yet won't always kill them.

The truly funny part is that what he thinks is accurate is not actually accurate.

[Stephenc13]

People don't explode in space like in the movies.

Of course you'll die without a suit.

The collectors don't have suits either.

That must mean theres air in the collector ship, but they put helmets and masks on to filter the air, who knows what they're breathing

[TomBmbadil]

The biotics don't even talk about their medichlorian count! This game is so unrealistic!

[Stephenc13]

Everyone concludes the OP didn't do any research. Don't even bother posting.

[Lemonwizard]

The collector ship is passable, because the collectors aren't wearing suits so they're breathing SOMETHING, which means there is pressure, it's just maybe not the right gases for you to be able to breathe easily.



The big offenders are jumping through space at the end of the IFF mission (vacuum) and the migrant fleet (because apparently Jack and Samara have absolutely NO germs on their skin, infections could only ever possibly come from their mouths).

[adam_grif]

Ecael wrote...

Gorram right.

[Freely]

Just a couple of comments with regards to the whole vacuum of space thing. Now, obviously its all theories, but Dr Brian Cox, CERN / Manchester University, who was the science advisor for "Sunshine" commented on this very thing.



Two points he noted, which I've elaborated on a bit:



1. There is only a difference of one atmospheric pressure between space and the pressure on land. Its 1 ATM on the ground, 0 ATM in space. Now, a diver under 33ft of water experiences 2 ATM of water. Is the diver crushed? No.



So, if our bodies can easily withstand a lot more than 2 ATM of pressure without imploding, how likely is it that they would explode by simply having 1 ATM less pressure on them.



2. Space is very cold. 3C above absolute zero. However, its also a vacuum. Now, a vacuum is actually a very good insulator. Thermal flask use it, containers for storing substances such as dry ice etc use it, some better quality double-glazing use it. Why, because heat is poorly transferred in a vacuum.



Now, you will freeze in space, but it isn't instantly. If you did freeze instantly in space, how much energy would be required to prevent an astronaut on an EVA from freezing in the suit? How much energy would be required to prevent the space shuttle freezing? How did the crew of Apollo 13 survive without heating for days?



I think the only thing I don't know about is the blood boiling thing. Now, I know that as pressure decreases, so does the boiling point of water. Mountain climbers know this. Higher altitude lowers it boiling point. However, our blood is under pressure. I have no idea how being exposed to vacuum would affect our blood.

[Heavensrun]

Soverain wrote...

jimmyjoefro wrote...

Being exposed to a vacuum would not cause your body to explode, you would not instantly freeze, and the only thing that is likely to boil is the saliva in your mouth.

Your body is pressurized and would adapt to the vacuum environment. You could survive in space without a suite until you passed out from the lack of breathable air. Just be sure to stay out of direct sun light, unless you want a wicked sunburn.

I DO PHYSICS, that very pressure in the human body is why it will explode in a vacum, the internal body pressure will expand and continue to expand untill it ripp open your skin and escapes into space.
the posibility is that the body will explode before it freezes and then the guts and pieces freeze.

YOU FAIL AT PHYSICS, apparently.  The human body is an excellent pressure vessel.  Human beings have been exposed to vacuum before, you know, and they did not explode. 

http://imagine.gsfc....ers/970603.html

You might notice this is from a NASA website.

[Madecologist]

Heavensrun wrote...

Soverain wrote...

jimmyjoefro wrote...

Being exposed to a vacuum would not cause your body to explode, you would not instantly freeze, and the only thing that is likely to boil is the saliva in your mouth.

Your body is pressurized and would adapt to the vacuum environment. You could survive in space without a suite until you passed out from the lack of breathable air. Just be sure to stay out of direct sun light, unless you want a wicked sunburn.

I DO PHYSICS, that very pressure in the human body is why it will explode in a vacum, the internal body pressure will expand and continue to expand untill it ripp open your skin and escapes into space.
the posibility is that the body will explode before it freezes and then the guts and pieces freeze.

YOU FAIL AT PHYSICS, apparently.  The human body is an excellent pressure vessel.  Human beings have been exposed to vacuum before, you know, and they did not explode. 

http://imagine.gsfc....ers/970603.html

You might notice this is from a NASA website.

Thank you... bodies do not explode in space. That whole scene at the end of Total Recall is utter crap. The whole concept of exploding human bodies is as absurd and uses psuedo scientific knowledge from a high school class as people who think planets explode if you shatter their crust (somewhow). Volcanoes and tectonic shifts do not occur because of built up pressure that the crust is holding back, but from heat convection of the movement of molten rock. A pressure that is created by a planets gravitional pull on itself, in a way planets are kinda of imploding (which generates the crushing and core heat).

I brought up the planet example to show how many people when they have a smidgeon of sciencetific knowledge tend to make gross miscalculations about what happens, Example, the human body is designed to live at 1 atmo, so stick it in vaccum and some think it wants to explode. Which is false. The closest you can get to is trying to hold your breath in vacuum, which will cause the air to expand till they burst vessels and then the gas will be exhaled as you suffer a lot of pain. A creature exposed to vacuum will start suffering some real nasty things, blood vessels popping, membranes freezing and burning at the same time (depending what conditions you are in), which will eventually lead to a very painful death. But if you are hoping for a expanding balloon pop, you will be sorely disappointed.

Lasty the body is not a closed enviroment. If an expanding pressure were to occur the gases will egress. Try blowing up a balloon with hundreds of micro ****** holes. I wonder why people think human bodies are like balloons. We are more like... giant wet sponges.

Modifié par Madecologist, 08 mars 2010 - 11:48 .

[noobzor99]

That mission and the N7 missions in hazardous environments irked me because of the lack of armor.

What happens when that exposed skin suddenly takes gunfire? It ruptures, revealing blood vessels to a vacuum. What does physics say should happen? That blood is going to leave that high-pressure body and move to the low-pressure vacuum.

[Maestro975]

They're not really in the vacuum of space. On the collector ship, they didn't know what kind of environment to expect, hence the breath mask. The environment turned out to NOT be poisonous, so there were no rebreathers on the Collector Station.



I just take Tali and Mordin/Garrus with me to the Collector Ship, then I have Garrus accompany me and Legion to Herectic Station. They're fully encased when they enter a hostile environment, and I have access to Incinerate and Overload.

[Vagula]

 Any scifi that has space combat that resembles naval or aerial warfare is bound to be scientifically unrealistic and silly.  Yeah and the op fails and certainly doesn't do physics beyond high school.

[NICKjnp]

it's space magic

[Beerfish]

DarthCaine wrote...

A wizard did it

You have to replace 'wizard' with 'Mordin' for this game.

[cipher_Cero]

Soverain wrote...

MY KNOWLEDGE IN PHYSIC IS NOT THE TOPIC OF THIS FORUM, i created this forum to discuss science inaccuracys of mass effect 2. lets keep this on topic.

Which is a little hard when your knowledge of physics is brought into questioning.


Black hole guns.

Your point is invalid.

[Sina84]

The Citadel is suspended in space, but if I remember the codex correctly each ward has breathable air a couple of 100 meters above "ground" level, kept in place by the magic hyper advanced Reaper technology.



Since the Collector base/ship is also Reaper technology, you can assume they maintain oxygen in a similar way, without having to seal anything. A sort of atmospheric blob kept in place in and around the vessels. Shep & co probably still need masks to survive, but they're certainly not in a vacuum.