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[ImperialOperative]

Soverain wrote...

MY KNOWLEDGE IN PHYSIC IS NOT THE TOPIC OF THIS FORUM, i created this forum to discuss science inaccuracys of mass effect 2. lets keep this on topic.

How can you point out inaccuracies when you don't hold the knowledge that allows you to say whether it is accurate or not?  You obviously know very little about science and are most likely still in High School.

This thread FAILS. OP FAILS. Pure FAIL.

[Singu]

Schneidend wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

The game starts off with Shepard being spaced, entering an atmosphere, and then magically not turning to super heated vapor upon re-entry. If a human body entered the atmosphere in an uncontrolled re-entry there wouldn't even be DNA left let alone a partially intact corpse with which to rebuild...

So yeah, I wasn't expecting much in the way of accuracy from that point forward...

Well, the planet Shepard and the Normandy landed on had a very thin atmosphere and low gravity. It's also not inconceivable that N7 heavy armor can protect Shepard's body, at least partially, from the rigors of reentry.

http://masseffect.wi...om/wiki/Alchera

I would not volunteer to dive through that atmosphere When I saw the slipstream forming around shepard as he fell through the upper layers of the atmosphere in the opening sequence I was quite pessimistic of a successful search and rescue.

Mass effect fields enveloping a biosphere makes the OP quite pointless though.

[Freely]

Soverain wrote...

some of you say that i dont know physics, those who say so ARE WRONG, EVEN THOUGH BODIES DONT EXPLODE IN SPACE WHICH I HAVE TO RESEARCH, the internal body pressure will still act against the external vacum causing huge sweling, not to mention water boils at lower temperatures in a vacum so blood will boil.

I had a thought about the whole blood boiling thing on top of my previous post. If water boils at low temperatures in a vacuum, how come comets can be made of ice? Actually, how can ice exist on any celestial body that has no atmosphere?

Just a thought.

[Dave the Seagull]

Space Wizards.

[Elanthanis]

It's more or less impossible to establish pathos on the internet, so I'll spare you the experience story and instead go straight to the inconsistency of your argument:





You first posted:

the point is that in a vacum organics will explode, my squad member should have been wearing fullbody pressure suits.

Then you posted:

some of you say that i dont know physics, those who say so ARE WRONG, EVEN THOUGH BODIES DONT EXPLODE IN SPACE WHICH I HAVE TO RESEARCH, the internal body pressure will still act against the external vacum causing huge sweling, not to mention water boils at lower temperatures in a vacum so blood will boil.

The History Channel's demonstration (which you referenced) demonstrated a liquid in an open system (liquid with direct exposure to vacuum). The human body is a closed system.



http://www.aerospace...ere/q0291.shtml

[Xaijin]

You forgot mining Gas Giants for solid minerals... and talking in vacuum.



And frictionless weapons having recoil.



and Dark Energy not ripping a star into fragments.

[ModerateOsprey]

I am kinda of interested to know if bodies explode in space or not, but I think the topic of acceptable poetic license is an interesting one. I read piles of so 'New Wave' science fiction written from the 1950s and the trend continued well into the 60s and 70s and produced many of the iconic SfiFi writers of our time - Asimov, Clarke, Bliss, Herbert, Heinlein, to name a few.

One of the common threads in these stories was to keep the science as accurate as possible and where conjecture was used to base it on known science at the time of writing. Soemtimes trhe stories were about the Science and in others the science was to create the backdrop for grander stories of alien and human minds and relationships.

Much has changed in Sci-Fi now as many other genres have been adopted by new SciFi authors which could be argued always a greater suspension in belief in the science granting a greater freedom for the imagination to roam.

In the ME mileu, science is seen as a backdrop and it also play lots of homage to other science fiction across all media and often in a very amusing and aesthetic way. I immediately saw all sorts of proper scientific problems from almost the very first moments of playing ME1. The creators of this game weren't out to give me a science lesson here. This is pure rock and roll space opera and d*mn fine it is to.

Have we got a conclusion on here if humans really do explode in space? Be good to know the truth on that one as it would be a great little factoid to carry around

Apologies for little errors in above txt - been a long day

Modifié par ModerateOsprey, 10 mars 2010 - 08:24 .

[Jax Sparrow]

[It Is Massively Effective]

Yeah, and sound is unable to travel in space, so to make me feel better I always mute the space battle at the end. Finding science inaccuracies in science fiction is just a simple way for insecure fools to feel intelligent.

[AdamBoozer]

Soverain wrote...

i would like to point out one obvious science inaccuacy in mass effect 2. when i boarded the collector ship for the first time, i took with me thane and jack who were both without pressure suits.

what would happen when an organic body with soft skin is exposed to a vacum is that the pressure in the body will expand and the body will explode.
also water boils at temperatures lower than room temp in a vacum as i saw on the history channel, when a jar of water was placed in an airtight container and when all the air was sucked out the water boiled.
water based life forms will die in a vacum.

the point is that in a vacum organics will explode, my squad member should have been wearing fullbody pressure suits.

the law of motion which bioware noted when some alliance soldiers talked about it on the citadel is not applied to the normandy. if it was then fuel will not be used up when the ship it at contstant speed, in real life fuel will only be used up when the ship speeds up, slows down or changes direction, that would be complicated so its better bioware removes the fuel usage from mass effect altogether.

some of you would say its a science fiction and that it dont have to be scientificly accurate.
I DISAGREE, science fiction must be as accurate as posible, especially with obivous things like motion and some known laws of physics, a sci fi dont have to be accurate with everything though, just most thing and the important things.

if there are anyother scientific inaccuracies you would like to point out please post it here

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They were not exposed to a vacum. If they were you would see them flying out in to space or strugling to walk or even run. Simply there was no O2 in the collector ship nor was there gravity. But when we are exposed to the vacum you're body has no atmospher so your blood and liquids expand out, then it is so cold in space that you will litearly freeze.

We have no way of knowing however how a drell will react to it or any other alien we have. We know the krogan wouldn't feel a thing lucky bastards and there redundant nervious system. We have seen what happens to humans in the begining really. I had wondering why his body didn't break down but then thought about how his body would freeze and there is nothing to break down his tissue in space. Pretty kool.

[klossen4]

ah yes science..

[MyChemicalBromance]

They're obviously not in a vacumm OP, they can still hear, there is either no air or it is simply a precaution.

Plus your "science" seems to be derived from misconseptions of the 50's. They would not violently explode.



The only real problem scientifically with Mass Effect is Eezo, which would actually work in the universe we learn exists in school. Now if someone would fund plasma physicists, we wouldn't need dark matter, we wouldn't need a big bang, and we wouldn't need a beginning.

[AdamBoozer]

A better thing to point out is that we would not see lasers in a vacum because there is no atmospher, and sound dose not travel in the vacum again because no vacum. (unless there is an mild atmospher from the mass effect core holding everything there. Not sure they haven't gone into detail about this.



You could see the thanix canno because it is not a laser.

[ModerateOsprey]

klossen4 wrote...

ah yes science..

made me laugh that

[grevinilvic]

take the game for what it is , in the opening when you die a glow encases your body thats re entry you would insinerate so their would be nothing to bring back to life so no more mass effect with the main character.

[Terraneaux]

Mass Effect is very very 'soft' science fiction, bordering on space fantasy. I don't worry about the science in it.

[MyChemicalBromance]

ZennExile wrote...

The game starts off with Shepard being spaced, entering an atmosphere, and then magically not turning to super heated vapor upon re-entry. If a human body entered the atmosphere in an uncontrolled re-entry there wouldn't even be DNA left let alone a partially intact corpse with which to rebuild...

So yeah, I wasn't expecting much in the way of accuracy from that point forward...

There are ways to get out of that.

1) We don't know how good those suits are (lame)
2) That planet did not have as strong an atmosphere as Earth.

[ModerateOsprey]

Terraneaux wrote...

Mass Effect is very very 'soft' science fiction, bordering on space fantasy. I don't worry about the science in it.

Quite

[AdamBoozer]

Terraneaux wrote...

Mass Effect is very very 'soft' science fiction, bordering on space fantasy. I don't worry about the science in it.

This is almost entirely incorrect.  Mass Effects only light side is the existence of element zero. We theroize that it exist in neutron stars. Everything else exist today but hasn't been done yet. One day I will actually do a behind the science of mass effect thread to show everyone because it is all cutting edge and why you don't know about it because it's all new except a few things like element zero.


I just thought of how they get there pressure. Their armor emits a small mass effect field that contains a very tiny atmospher when there down however they would be exposed to a vacum if they were in one.

Modifié par AdamBoozer, 11 mars 2010 - 06:04 .

[AdamBoozer]

You have no idea how hard it is to land a ship on a planet let alone shepard even entering their atmospher. If you try not to go to deep into an atmospher then you actually dip in and shoot out. Likely what happened to shep. If you go too deep then you will burn up. Shep barely entered as we saw on the game and then he was as he put it to wrex "exposed to the vacum too long" if he hadn't then he would of never of been "brought" back because his body would of been broken down by organisims on that planet and his body would of been completly destroyed by intense heat of re entry.

[inversevideo]

I always assumed that full body armour, the N7 armour or Cerberus armour, is for stopping weapons fire, and can double as an environment suit. Given that Jack, Thane, Samara, and Miranda all have 'light' armour or no armour (not sure what Miranda is wearing or not, and Jack certainly is not wearing much) I have to assume that they survive the vacuum using mass effect generators, to function both as 'shields' and to envelope their bodies, in a mass effect field, which provides the same level of counter pressure a space suit, or armour would.



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