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I doubt the Shadow broker will be killed off in dlc lol he/she/it/they plays a big part in the ME story and as we have learned from dlc they never affect the main story.


I now get the feeling that he/she/it/(they) is/(are) inspired by the Dread Pirate Roberts.

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The Angry One wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

Nyaore wrote...

Ugh, I sincerely hope that those audio files were merely from a cut plot line and not some allusion to an upcoming DLC... Liara's character has suffered enough as it is under the whole 'dark second installment' mentality some of the writers have been adhering towards.


I am assuming they rewrote a lot of her role, especially in light of the comics.  Considering by the time her DLC comes out, her argument about helping you with the Collectors, as i said, is absolutely pointless because you have rendered them extinct and, in some cases, Cerberus will have their entire base.  Why would you need a rinky dink Info Broker then?


The dialog would've been written and recorded for the game.
The writer couldn't possibly be aware what dialog was going to be ripped out to be served as DLC months ahead, and thus is written from the perspective of you doing it before the end game.


Agreed. I believe for this first load of DLC's all the voicework must have been done with the main game's stuff. They won't call in the voice actors for something small... They probably won't call them in again until ME2 has a major DLC Expansion like Dragon Age is getting.

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blahhhhhh the debate no longer involves liara. it is purely miranda/tali

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Wow they did cut a lot of stuff didn't they? :[

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All games have stuff cut, in some cases it just isn't so obvious. It is clear Liara is lacking A LOT of interaction even when you meet her the first time. It seems that will be repackaged in some way and sold to us. I won't mind if it is pretty substantial as she is one of my favorite characters. That's the future of ALL videogames folks...DLC. Whether we like it or not :(

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screwoffreg wrote...

Nyaore wrote...

Ugh, I sincerely hope that those audio files were merely from a cut plot line and not some allusion to an upcoming DLC... Liara's character has suffered enough as it is under the whole 'dark second installment' mentality some of the writers have been adhering towards.


I am assuming they rewrote a lot of her role, especially in light of the comics.  Considering by the time her DLC comes out, her argument about helping you with the Collectors, as i said, is absolutely pointless because you have rendered them extinct and, in some cases, Cerberus will have their entire base.  Why would you need a rinky dink Info Broker then?

Thats assuming its set post end game. I think most of the DLC will be set during ME2 not after. You just have the option to play it after rather than having to start a new game, which is what caused alot of ****ing in ME1. Probably much like the DA:O DLC. Some of the N7 missions dont make sense plotwise after the suicide mission but you can still play them.

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Wow they did cut a lot of stuff didn't they? :[

It really shouldn't be all that surprising honestly. A ton of content is cut from a game from the time it's first imagined to when it finally hits store shelves. A lot of it is cut before it reaches the stage where it will have voice acting added of course, but it's not unheard of for game developers to completely cut an entire stage or quest line from a final game if they can't find a way to make it work properly. Even the original ME wasn't immune to large stage cuts, as the whole Caleston turning into Therum incident shows quite handily.

Modifié par Nyaore, 08 mars 2010 - 07:33 .


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Druss99 wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

Nyaore wrote...

Ugh, I sincerely hope that those audio files were merely from a cut plot line and not some allusion to an upcoming DLC... Liara's character has suffered enough as it is under the whole 'dark second installment' mentality some of the writers have been adhering towards.


I am assuming they rewrote a lot of her role, especially in light of the comics.  Considering by the time her DLC comes out, her argument about helping you with the Collectors, as i said, is absolutely pointless because you have rendered them extinct and, in some cases, Cerberus will have their entire base.  Why would you need a rinky dink Info Broker then?

Thats assuming its set post end game. I think most of the DLC will be set during ME2 not after. You just have the option to play it after rather than having to start a new game, which is what caused alot of ****ing in ME1. Probably much like the DA:O DLC. Some of the N7 missions dont make sense plotwise after the suicide mission but you can still play them.



Still, her role would be meaningless if she is going to help you with the Collectors because 1. she says it will take "years" to decode the data and 2. you discover everything you need to know about the Collectors on your own with Cerberus' help.

More than that, the Reapers will probably be in the Galaxy by the time she decodes all the data.  I can't imagine ME 3 taking place YEARS after ME 2 as it would make no sense.  "By the way, we have this dangerous data about the Reapers, but screw it, let's fly around for three years".

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Except they havent been selling them its all been free :happy:. Im wondering when DLC they charge for will start turning up.

They're not free if you buy the game used

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Seanylegit wrote...

Wow they did cut a lot of stuff didn't they? :[

I guess you've never played KOTOR2

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screwoffreg wrote...

She could also be quite the enemy as well, if they take that road. A cloaked, shadowy Liara becoming an Emperor Palpatine like character.

If only she truly knew the power of the Dark Side of the Force...

I think the better analogy is Vader, but that's definitely the feeling I got...

You know, a random theory; the Collectors must have given the SB an incredible offer for him/her to deal with figures more mysterious than... well, the SB. Assuming they bartered with Reaper tech... you all know where this is going :bandit:
It actually seems brilliant strategically, the Shadow Broker is one of the most knowledgeble beings in the galaxy, for the Reapers to have them under their sway would be an incredible advantage for what's likely their last resort.

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DarthCaine wrote...

Druss99 wrote...

Except they havent been selling them its all been free :happy:. Im wondering when DLC they charge for will start turning up.

They're not free if you buy the game used


Well, yes, but if you're buying the game used Bioware doesn't get any money from you anyway... Unless you purchase DLC :P

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A biotic duel with Liara?



"YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE!!!" - Shepard

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DarthCaine wrote...

I guess you've never played KOTOR2


At least KotoR 2 got a fan patch that restores much of the content and brings it closer to the game that it should've been. Something like that will unfortunately not be possible with the mod-unfriendly ME 2.

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bjdbwea wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

I guess you've never played KOTOR2


At least KotoR 2 got a fan patch that restores much of the content and brings it closer to the game that it should've been. Something like that will unfortunately not be possible with the mod-unfriendly ME 2.


Well ME 2 looks like it is going to get plenty of DLC, so I don't really see that much of a problem here.

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screwoffreg wrote...

Druss99 wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

Nyaore wrote...

Ugh, I sincerely hope that those audio files were merely from a cut plot line and not some allusion to an upcoming DLC... Liara's character has suffered enough as it is under the whole 'dark second installment' mentality some of the writers have been adhering towards.


I am assuming they rewrote a lot of her role, especially in light of the comics.  Considering by the time her DLC comes out, her argument about helping you with the Collectors, as i said, is absolutely pointless because you have rendered them extinct and, in some cases, Cerberus will have their entire base.  Why would you need a rinky dink Info Broker then?

Thats assuming its set post end game. I think most of the DLC will be set during ME2 not after. You just have the option to play it after rather than having to start a new game, which is what caused alot of ****ing in ME1. Probably much like the DA:O DLC. Some of the N7 missions dont make sense plotwise after the suicide mission but you can still play them.



Still, her role would be meaningless if she is going to help you with the Collectors because 1. she says it will take "years" to decode the data and 2. you discover everything you need to know about the Collectors on your own with Cerberus' help.

More than that, the Reapers will probably be in the Galaxy by the time she decodes all the data.  I can't imagine ME 3 taking place YEARS after ME 2 as it would make no sense.  "By the way, we have this dangerous data about the Reapers, but screw it, let's fly around for three years".

I agree. Infact I agree with you on it being rewritten content and not DLC at all. I cant see anyway to add what she said to the story as it stands and have it make sense. My point was more on DLC in general alot of people seem to think its going to be all set after the suicide mission. Which I think would be excellent but not all that likely, atleast not yet.

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screwoffreg wrote...

Nyaore wrote...

Ugh, I sincerely hope that those audio files were merely from a cut plot line and not some allusion to an upcoming DLC... Liara's character has suffered enough as it is under the whole 'dark second installment' mentality some of the writers have been adhering towards.


I am assuming they rewrote a lot of her role, especially in light of the comics.  Considering by the time her DLC comes out, her argument about helping you with the Collectors, as i said, is absolutely pointless because you have rendered them extinct and, in some cases, Cerberus will have their entire base.  Why would you need a rinky dink Info Broker then?


You people need to stop thinking that being able to play post-suicide mission has any relevance on the story.  It's an afterthought to allow you to complete sidequests and the like for an import.  It's just so you don't have to play the entire game again to experience DLC.  DLC is *not* meant to take place post-storyline.  It will be accessible during game, and *nothing* but 1 line from each squadmate changes after the final mission. 

Stop thinking that anything in the game takes place post-suicide mission.  :pinched:

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CmdrFenix83 wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

Nyaore wrote...

Ugh, I sincerely hope that those audio files were merely from a cut plot line and not some allusion to an upcoming DLC... Liara's character has suffered enough as it is under the whole 'dark second installment' mentality some of the writers have been adhering towards.


I am assuming they rewrote a lot of her role, especially in light of the comics.  Considering by the time her DLC comes out, her argument about helping you with the Collectors, as i said, is absolutely pointless because you have rendered them extinct and, in some cases, Cerberus will have their entire base.  Why would you need a rinky dink Info Broker then?


You people need to stop thinking that being able to play post-suicide mission has any relevance on the story.  It's an afterthought to allow you to complete sidequests and the like for an import.  It's just so you don't have to play the entire game again to experience DLC.  DLC is *not* meant to take place post-storyline.  It will be accessible during game, and *nothing* but 1 line from each squadmate changes after the final mission. 

Stop thinking that anything in the game takes place post-suicide mission.  :pinched:


http://multiplayerbl...-between-games/

It would be hard to make story DLC that bridges ME2 to ME3 without it being post-game.

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DarthCaine wrote...

Druss99 wrote...

Except they havent been selling them its all been free :happy:. Im wondering when DLC they charge for will start turning up.

They're not free if you buy the game used


Moral of the story, stop being cheap and buy games new.  Personally I prefer my games to work.  I've never bought a used game that worked right.  Most people don't take care of their ****, and it functions just well enough for it to be traded in.  Nothing's more of a ripoff than used gaming equipment.

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CmdrFenix83 wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

Nyaore wrote...

Ugh, I sincerely hope that those audio files were merely from a cut plot line and not some allusion to an upcoming DLC... Liara's character has suffered enough as it is under the whole 'dark second installment' mentality some of the writers have been adhering towards.


I am assuming they rewrote a lot of her role, especially in light of the comics.  Considering by the time her DLC comes out, her argument about helping you with the Collectors, as i said, is absolutely pointless because you have rendered them extinct and, in some cases, Cerberus will have their entire base.  Why would you need a rinky dink Info Broker then?


You people need to stop thinking that being able to play post-suicide mission has any relevance on the story.  It's an afterthought to allow you to complete sidequests and the like for an import.  It's just so you don't have to play the entire game again to experience DLC.  DLC is *not* meant to take place post-storyline.  It will be accessible during game, and *nothing* but 1 line from each squadmate changes after the final mission. 

Stop thinking that anything in the game takes place post-suicide mission.  :pinched:

Thats what I've been saying, people even think the hammerhead is set post suicide mission. I think alot of it is biowares fault though with saying that the "dlc will bridge the gap", they said the same with ME1. Even if they did add post end game stuff it probably wont effect ME3 because its DLC.

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Druss99 wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

Nyaore wrote...

Ugh, I sincerely hope that those audio files were merely from a cut plot line and not some allusion to an upcoming DLC... Liara's character has suffered enough as it is under the whole 'dark second installment' mentality some of the writers have been adhering towards.


I am assuming they rewrote a lot of her role, especially in light of the comics.  Considering by the time her DLC comes out, her argument about helping you with the Collectors, as i said, is absolutely pointless because you have rendered them extinct and, in some cases, Cerberus will have their entire base.  Why would you need a rinky dink Info Broker then?


You people need to stop thinking that being able to play post-suicide mission has any relevance on the story.  It's an afterthought to allow you to complete sidequests and the like for an import.  It's just so you don't have to play the entire game again to experience DLC.  DLC is *not* meant to take place post-storyline.  It will be accessible during game, and *nothing* but 1 line from each squadmate changes after the final mission. 

Stop thinking that anything in the game takes place post-suicide mission.  :pinched:

Thats what I've been saying, people even think the hammerhead is set post suicide mission. I think alot of it is biowares fault though with saying that the "dlc will bridge the gap", they said the same with ME1. Even if they did add post end game stuff it probably wont effect ME3 because its DLC.

Well there were references to BDtS in ME2, it wouldn't surprise me if DLC had some impact on ME3

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Seanylegit wrote...

Wow they did cut a lot of stuff didn't they? :[


Yeah, that's why our Liara thread has soooo much speculation in it right now. There's just so much cut stuff and unanswered questions.

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Why did liara stop being a prothean expert and became a maffia boss?

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and if you haven't play me1 you arrive into me2 with a definite story,so if you play or not dlc me3 will begin with a story one or two years later and you aren't the choice

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Corti78 wrote...

http://multiplayerbl...-between-games/

It would be hard to make story DLC that bridges ME2 to ME3 without it being post-game.


Nothing in that link says it'll be continuing the story beyond the suicide mission.  Just that there will be content that connects the two games better.  Setting up storyline points for ME3 can easily be done within the confines of the ME2 storyline. 

That link proves nothing.