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[javierabegazo]

Even if the DLC WAS cut from the original project, it's pretty silly to really expect them to give EVERYTHING. ME2, as a stand alone game, is really intricate, detailed, very massive, fully voiced, etc. Why should BioWare feel compelled to make 2 games worth of content and sell it only as one game, cutting themselves off from a big profit to FUND such hi fidelity/quality gaming.



If they want to continue making additional content and charge for it, really, it's their right to. Granted some may say concerning DLC "Pff, I ALREADY paid $60.00 for that content" but really you didn't. I don't think we grasp how expensive a project like ME2 really was, despite it's numerous short comings, but to act so self entitled and outraged about DLC I think is a bit too much. It's extra content that they're FINISHING and still releasing as part of official game content, free or otherwise.



Anywho, time to catch that bus

[Jarcander]

javierabegazo wrote...

If they want to continue making additional content and charge for it, really, it's their right to. Granted some may say concerning DLC "Pff, I ALREADY paid $60.00 for that content" but really you didn't. I don't think we grasp how expensive a project like ME2 really was, despite it's numerous short comings, but to act so self entitled and outraged about DLC I think is a bit too much. It's extra content that they're FINISHING and still releasing as part of official game content, free or otherwise. 

I wouldn't complain at all if they hadn't forced poeple to buy the game new to get the Cerberus code. It's obvious that all free DLC exist only to sell new ME boxes. Now if Cerberus network were available to everyone with a legal copy of the game it would be alright...

[Ecael]

javierabegazo wrote...

Even if the DLC WAS cut from the original project, it's pretty silly to really expect them to give EVERYTHING. ME2, as a stand alone game, is really intricate, detailed, very massive, fully voiced, etc. Why should BioWare feel compelled to make 2 games worth of content and sell it only as one game, cutting themselves off from a big profit to FUND such hi fidelity/quality gaming.

If they want to continue making additional content and charge for it, really, it's their right to. Granted some may say concerning DLC "Pff, I ALREADY paid $60.00 for that content" but really you didn't. I don't think we grasp how expensive a project like ME2 really was, despite it's numerous short comings, but to act so self entitled and outraged about DLC I think is a bit too much. It's extra content that they're FINISHING and still releasing as part of official game content, free or otherwise.

Anywho, time to catch that bus

I don't think anyone's raging here about this. Except for this guy:



Anyway, it's definitely a good thing that they're completing what was meant to be cut and giving it to us for free. However, when it comes to DLC that doesn't arise from unfinished content, I have cautious optimism. BioWare's track record for that isn't all that great.

[screwoffreg]

DLC is the way of the future, as I said, and we just have to get used to that. I think at least Bioware is handling it very well. Small, "neat" DLC like weapons and the like are free while I imagine larger, substantial DLC/expansions will be of "moderate" cost. I wouldn't mind paying $20-30 for major plot DLC with great resolutions and the like.

[Reptilian Rob]

Jarcander wrote...

javierabegazo wrote...

If they want to continue making additional content and charge for it, really, it's their right to. Granted some may say concerning DLC "Pff, I ALREADY paid $60.00 for that content" but really you didn't. I don't think we grasp how expensive a project like ME2 really was, despite it's numerous short comings, but to act so self entitled and outraged about DLC I think is a bit too much. It's extra content that they're FINISHING and still releasing as part of official game content, free or otherwise. 

I wouldn't complain at all if they hadn't forced poeple to buy the game new to get the Cerberus code. It's obvious that all free DLC exist only to sell new ME boxes. Now if Cerberus network were available to everyone with a legal copy of the game it would be alright...

How about this, you make a product and I'll buy it used! That way, you'll get absolutely none of the profit! Dosen't that sound just, lovely?

Bioware forcing you to buy the game new for free content makes sense, because if you bought it used they don't see any of the real profit, so why should they shell out free content to someone who bought the game secondhand?

I swear, some of you need to brush up on your economy.

[Daralii]

Ecael wrote...

javierabegazo wrote...

Even if the DLC WAS cut from the original project, it's pretty silly to really expect them to give EVERYTHING. ME2, as a stand alone game, is really intricate, detailed, very massive, fully voiced, etc. Why should BioWare feel compelled to make 2 games worth of content and sell it only as one game, cutting themselves off from a big profit to FUND such hi fidelity/quality gaming.

If they want to continue making additional content and charge for it, really, it's their right to. Granted some may say concerning DLC "Pff, I ALREADY paid $60.00 for that content" but really you didn't. I don't think we grasp how expensive a project like ME2 really was, despite it's numerous short comings, but to act so self entitled and outraged about DLC I think is a bit too much. It's extra content that they're FINISHING and still releasing as part of official game content, free or otherwise.

Anywho, time to catch that bus

I don't think anyone's raging here about this. Except for this guy:



Anyway, it's definitely a good thing that they're completing what was meant to be cut and giving it to us for free. However, when it comes to DLC that doesn't arise from unfinished content, I have cautious optimism. BioWare's track record for that isn't all that great.

You don't get to make demands of the company, Ambassador.

I'm betting on something regarding Kasumi... BW still hasn't given official word on her, have they?

[Canned Bullets]

javierabegazo wrote...

*crosses fingers for Kasumi+Heavy Weapon reveal*

Wouldn't you have ties to Bioware and already know what's coming? 

[GenericPlayer2]

I'm hoping its the new heavy weapon. The other suggestions are great, but I would take content over 'news about upcoming content" any day.

[Sailears]

Nastrod wrote...

Crosses fingers for Liara DLC

[SirOccam]

What's "all this Dragon Age: Origins news today?" The patch? Or did I miss something?

[Wild Still]

It will be DLC with a Geth mobile platform with bewbies so all the robo-sexuals can start "Support for Geth-1337-2" and "Geth-1337-2 for LI in ME3" threads.



Bender will be disgusted with all of them.



Deviants.

[jlb524]

It will be Kasumi, methinks. The slightly cooler version of Zaeed.

[Deflagratio]

I'd like to see the ability to sell Element Zero, along with all sorts of shop goodies to supplement that change. Even if there is just minor changes like small damage/fire rate/accuracy changes, more weapon variants of the current subtypes (Assault Rifle, Battle Rifle, Assault Shotgun, Heavy Shotgun ect.) would be welcome, to really spice up the diversity of the game, and get rid of that "Same old" feeling that happens after the same 20 areas using the stupid Shuriken MP.

[Jarcander]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

How about this, you make a product and I'll buy it used! That way, you'll get absolutely none of the profit! Dosen't that sound just, lovely?

Someone already bought that product I purchased used and generated income for the publisher. I don't see how this could be viewed as wrong. This is the way economy normally works.

[Soahfreako]

ChampDude wrote...

Soahfreako wrote...

haha! How does pessimism uplift you? O.o

Well let's just say I would be lying if I said I was a normal individual 

Alrighty then! Lol

[Madecologist]

ChampDude wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Madecologist wrote...

javierabegazo wrote...

That being said, I'm so grateful they're making all this free DLC, it's really quite generous of a Game company, they don't HAVE to do this really

Aye, I am expecting they will have payed DLCs eventually, especially later on. But so far the amount of free ones they have given and annouced is suprising.

I'll point out that all this "free DLC" is stuff that was clearly cut out of the game to be spoon fed to us as an elaborate form of DRM/anti-second hand purchasing.
Which makes them better than jackass developers who rip content out to sell later *cough*Bethesda*cough* but still worse than those who actually release complete games.. which are a rare breed today, granted.

Oh Angry One. Your pessimism is one of the most uplifting parts of my day. And I mean that

Well her name is the Angry One, not the Happy One or the Cuddlely One.

That said, even if you take your model of better than a demon but worst than a saint, I'd gladly take that since we live in a world that has no saints anymore. I do not mind the Cerberus Network as a means to encourage first hand purchases (and second hand purchases can still get it with a mere simple payment), and veiled DRM. For two reasons:

1) Why should I someone that purchased the game at full price get the same perks that my friend who pirated the game get. He is no Robin Hood either, he makes way more money than I, he just does it because he can. He wants these downloads he either needs to purchase the game or get a legit copy with the Network. Sure he could just "pirate harder", but at least he worked for it. Actually he deemed it be easier to the purchase the game himself. Which makes me happy, since we both payed for the product in the end. I prefer the Cerberus Network over complicated virus like DRMs that mess up harddrives and DVD players.

2) Where I live the sale of second hand games is a killing. Now people who get the game at half price still need to cough up a bit of money to get these perks. Meaning the developers and publishers get some money from each resale of the game (potentially). Not just the stores. Trust me second hand shops are not the poor starving victims here, or atleast the ones where I live. They seem more like fronts for organised crime than 'improvished stores' trying to survive. So I endorse any venture that ensures the intial manufacturers can stll generate a profit on second hand sales.

[Tennyochan]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Bioware is finally going to put in a planet where everyone has to be nude!

DREAMS DO COME TRUE!

omg.. is this...an alien planet?!

*bounces up and down*
LOL

i think it might be a character vid of kasumi. hmmm maybe not. zaeed got one but in the end he didnt have much dialgoue which was disappointing.

[bdawg3103]

Jarcander wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

How about this, you make a product and I'll buy it used! That way, you'll get absolutely none of the profit! Dosen't that sound just, lovely?

Someone already bought that product I purchased used and generated income for the publisher. I don't see how this could be viewed as wrong. This is the way economy normally works.

Cerberus codes can be bought online...

[TrueHD]

Mass Effect 2 socks in the BioWare store.

[Gavinthelocust]

If it isn't a female turian LI I am not interested.

[Reptilian Rob]

bdawg3103 wrote...

Jarcander wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

How about this, you make a product and I'll buy it used! That way, you'll get absolutely none of the profit! Dosen't that sound just, lovely?

Someone already bought that product I purchased used and generated income for the publisher. I don't see how this could be viewed as wrong. This is the way economy normally works.

Cerberus codes can be bought online...

Yeah, I don't think he gets that part of the equation.

[Tennyochan]

TrueHD wrote...

Mass Effect 2 socks in the BioWare store.

*fumbles around for credit card*

[Jarcander]

Madecologist wrote...

1) Why should I someone that purchased the game at full price get the same... *snip*

2) Where I live the sale of second hand games is a killing. *snip*

@1: I'm sure no one meant that a pirated game should have the same perks as a legal variant. The main issue is as far as I have heard that Bioware (or more likely EA) has taken it to next level and now punishes second hand buyers.

@2: A valid viewpoint of second hand games sells, but I still disagree on that forcing consumers hand like this would be the right solution. On that note, I'm not quite sure what would be the right solution for this situation.