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[Nozybidaj]

Default137 wrote...

So wait?

Someone comes and makes a thread, bringing up many valid flaws a specific character has, and tries to voice the opinion that they feel that specific character doesn't feel very well done, and rather then try to debate productively, you troll his post, call him names, and insinuate he's gay?

Wooooow, this is a new low for maturity on the Bioware forums.

[jlb524]

Default137 wrote...

So wait?

Someone comes and makes a thread, bringing up many valid flaws a specific character has, and tries to voice the opinion that they feel that specific character doesn't feel very well done, and rather then try to debate productively, you troll his post, call him names, and insinuate he's gay?

Wooooow, this is a new low for maturity on the Bioware forums.

The problem is that this has already been discussed earlier in another thread that got locked. 

[Srslydude01]

ratzerman wrote...

yes, it will be :innocent:

[Agamo45]

Personally I found Liara to be completely dull in ME1.

[Nozybidaj]

jlb524 wrote...


The problem is that this has already been discussed earlier in another thread that got locked. 

The guy comes in here and post an obvious troll thread that is just a recreation of a previously locked thread as flamebait.  What did people think was going to happen?  The fact that Mr. Woo supported the idea of taking a "hate thread" to what amounts to the "unofficial" character support threads was a tad short sighted, that doesn't mean people should actually do it.

[InvaderErl]

Nozybidaj wrote...

jlb524 wrote...


The problem is that this has already been discussed earlier in another thread that got locked. 

The guy comes in here and post an obvious troll thread that is just a recreation of a previously locked thread as flamebait.  What did people think was going to happen?  The fact that Mr. Woo supported the idea of taking a "hate thread" to what amounts to the "unofficial" character support threads was a tad short sighted, that doesn't mean people should actually do it.

I think you're looking too much into Woo's post. He was just telling people to not spam the boards. If it had been a Tali thread he would have said the same and you know it (and he said the the same in the Miranda thread).

Modifié par InvaderErl, 09 mars 2010 - 01:31 .

[Default137]

jlb524 wrote...

Default137 wrote...

So wait?

Someone comes and makes a thread, bringing up many valid flaws a specific character has, and tries to voice the opinion that they feel that specific character doesn't feel very well done, and rather then try to debate productively, you troll his post, call him names, and insinuate he's gay?

Wooooow, this is a new low for maturity on the Bioware forums.

The problem is that this has already been discussed earlier in another thread that got locked. 

There is a difference between flamebait and discussion.

The OP's post is just him saying why he dislikes Liara, he didn't post anything inflammatory, or trollish, he posted his opinion in the hopes there could be a reasonable, civil debate over Liara, away from the other flamebait thread.

Rather then do the normal thing, Liara fans attacked him, and are now trolling everyone in this thread.

No offense, but it doesn't matter even if his post was trollbait, or a repost from a previous flamebait thread, this thread makes everyone who likes Liara to be very immature, and childish, you don't troll a post this heavily because someone just has a different opinion then you, thats preschool **** right there, and its depressing to see this many people doing it.

[Gavinthelocust]

This be a pointless hate thread, so imma leave this here to ****** off people with sticks up their ass

[Blameless77]

I really don't understand the aspect of the OP's post that talks about betrayal. I mean you seem almost ready to acknowledge that if Liara doesn't give your body to Cerberus the galaxy is doomed (which is correct). You say "hand his body to another faction"--no other faction has Lazarus tech potential. I'm sorry, that's just the plot.



I realize that Shepard is supposed to be your character, and to that extent I guess he can be angry about Liara giving his body to Cerberus. It also means your Shepard is a selfish jerk who would damn the galaxy because he's unwilling to put aside his Cerberus vendetta for even a moment.



Whether you like her personality is wholly subjective, so disliking that aspect of her is fine, we all have characters whose personalities we don't like. The rest of your post seems poorly thought out.

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[jlb524]

Default137 wrote...

There is a difference between flamebait and discussion.

The OP's post is just him saying why he dislikes Liara, he didn't post anything inflammatory, or trollish, he posted his opinion in the hopes there could be a reasonable, civil debate over Liara, away from the other flamebait thread.

This has already been discussed over and over before.  Myself (and others) have defended Liara's character countless times in countless threads.  It was discussed in the previous Liara hate thread which was locked.  If the OP wants to discuss and criticize Liara's character, the OP can do it in the Liara thread.  Thread's like these get flamed.

[Nozybidaj]

Gavinthelocust wrote...


This be a pointless hate thread, so imma leave this here to ****** off people with sticks up their ass

haha, nice one.

[Xandurpein]

I think part of Liara's appeal in ME1 to some people is that apart from a few snippets about her being slightly nerdy and girlish, we don't get to know her that well. There is a lot of room for your own imagination and just fanfic what's missing. This may also be why so many people are so upset about LIara in ME2, they are upset because Liara didn't turn out to be the way they imagined.



Let's look at the facts. The romance in ME1 is really a girlish crush and then her first sex. It's not like it's a long romance with lots of sharing together. Sure, you let her into your mind a few times to watch your memories of Sovereign, but that's it. There is no part where you swear undying love to Liara, much less get it from her.



Liara sure spends a lot of effort to find your body, but we don't know exactly why she does it. She know seems totally bent on finding the Shadow Broker, and again we don't know the full truth of why. Maybe she does love Shepard, maybe she has a fixation on Shepard regardless of whether he/she loves Liara back or not. Maybe it's something else.



All we know is that Bioware seems to have a lot more in store for Liara, and it will most likely not end up like what people have been fanfictioning her. It's an exercise in frustration to build up an image of a character based on your own hopes, rather than facts in the game, and then feel betrayed when further revelation proves your hopes wrong. You did it to yourself.

[InvaderErl]

Xandurpein wrote...

I think part of Liara's appeal in ME1 to some people is that apart from a few snippets about her being slightly nerdy and girlish, we don't get to know her that well. There is a lot of room for your own imagination and just fanfic what's missing. This may also be why so many people are so upset about LIara in ME2, they are upset because Liara didn't turn out to be the way they imagined.

Let's look at the facts. The romance in ME1 is really a girlish crush and then her first sex. It's not like it's a long romance with lots of sharing together. Sure, you let her into your mind a few times to watch your memories of Sovereign, but that's it. There is no part where you swear undying love to Liara, much less get it from her.

QFT, I really think you hit the nail on the head quite nicely.

[carilynn46]

in the first game i found her kind of annoying she was nice to talk to cause she knew stuff about the prothens and helped Shepard sort things out then in the ME2 i was shocked to see the way she was acting obsessed and to me crazy (since i haven;t read the comics or anything) then when she said "i couldn't let you go..." i was like thinking she was the stalker kind especially since i didn't romance her or anything i was like she would be the last person i would think to be the one responsible for me being alive.. again. She has her good points and she has her bad points in my opinion in ME3 i hope it makes more sense.

[Frieza1987]

PureMethodActor wrote...

My main point is I need help seeing what exactly the big deal is about her, why she's so interesting to Liara fans and general Mass Effect fans. Give me more counter-points to my arguments, refer me to expanded source material, and I will look at it and form an opinion from a more enlightened viewpoint.

The wonderful thing about these characters is that not everyone has to like them. I don't like Ashley, but I'm not going to start a thread about why I don't - there are plenty of other people who do, and I don't feel the need to irratate them for my own enjoyment.

If you already don't like Liara, explaining her motivations probably won't change your mind.

[InvaderErl]

Hawt.

[InvaderErl]

Hawt.

[BigGuy28]

I liked her in ME but the change in ME 2 was too drastic and made me lose interest in her, she isn't the same person.



I had no problem with her turning over my body to Cerberus, they brought me back to life and they were probably the only ones in the galaxy able to do it. I do have a problem with her not sticking around so I had a friendly face there when I woke up in a facility of the group I hate. I have an even bigger problem with her becoming her mother and becoming so obsessed with the Shadow Broker that she won't help me.



As far as I'm concerned, I don't want her back on my squad in ME 3, she can sit in her little office obsessing over the Shadow Broker.

[Amethyst Deceiver]

Garrus is a pretty cool guy though :3

Modifié par Amethyst Deceiver, 09 mars 2010 - 07:12 .

[InvaderErl]

Garrus is my father.

[Killer Instinct]

I personally detest Liara. Never got into her character, and quickly shot her down in ME when she hinted towards a relationship. She's just too boring. Add to how she treats your character as if he is nothing more than an errand boy in ME2, it makes it that much easier for me to ignore her character altogether.

[Massadonious1]

I like how some people think that Liara should apparently be "immune" from discontent, as if others are somehow crazy for finding flaws in her personality or character, because apparently, she doesn't have any.



And if "overrated" qualifies as hate, then maybe the word needs to be redefined. This thread is tame compared to some of the other "anti (insert love interest here)" threads that have floated around these boards since the game came out.