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[Driveninhifi]

Xandurpein wrote...
Liara sure spends a lot of effort to find your body, but we don't know exactly why she does it. She know seems totally bent on finding the Shadow Broker, and again we don't know the full truth of why. Maybe she does love Shepard, maybe she has a fixation on Shepard regardless of whether he/she loves Liara back or not. Maybe it's something else.

Based on ME2 and the comics, she either loves Shepard or is very obsessed with him/her. I'd say she probably loves Shepard regardless of Shepard's feelings. She also makes a huge deal about how intense the joining bond is for asari - essentially implying Shepard is the love of her life.

I thought Liara was pretty boring in ME1 - she played the role Tali does in ME2, which is essentially the hero-worshipping nerdy girl.
The problem with her portrayal in ME2 is that you are given very little reason to believe it. A character that has no idea how to deal with people, that has no allies, managed to create a large and respected information network by herself in a small amount of time? (Two years is NOT very long.) I'm sure she'd be excellent at putting together leads, but that's only half the job. How did she know where to start? How does she develop her contacts - she doesn't know anyone and she wouldn't know how to deal with them if she did! Without any tutoring she's become a savvy businesswoman in a field that is perhaps the one she is LEAST suited to? Without the writers showing how this came to be it's totally unbelievable. The Liara we saw in ME1 would be eaten alive by the world of intrigue - especially the business end. 

[slackbheep]

I'm reserving judgment on Liara until ME3, or at least until they finish the comics and I get around to picking them up. While I was a little disappointed with her reception to Shepard in ME2, I assume that there is quite a bit there we are not seeing. It also struck me as strange that TIM implies she's working FOR the Shadow Broker when he is so well informed about everything else.



For what it's worth, I get the impression that Liara is hiding something and that TIM was trying to steer Shepard gently away from her, to cover his own secret.

[Nozybidaj]

/sigh Why is this thread not locked yet? Someone go create a Tali hate thread, bet it gets locked within the hour.

[Xandurpein]

jlb524 wrote...

Default137 wrote...

There is a difference between flamebait and discussion.

The OP's post is just him saying why he dislikes Liara, he didn't post anything inflammatory, or trollish, he posted his opinion in the hopes there could be a reasonable, civil debate over Liara, away from the other flamebait thread.

This has already been discussed over and over before.  Myself (and others) have defended Liara's character countless times in countless threads.  It was discussed in the previous Liara hate thread which was locked.  If the OP wants to discuss and criticize Liara's character, the OP can do it in the Liara thread.  Thread's like these get flamed.

I don't think the OP is actually posting any 'hate'. And on the whole I think it's not a bad thing to keep your critizism away from the 'I adore xxx' threads. Those threads tend to be rather cozy, at least if trolls can keep away, and then you can choose to enter the fray and defend a character on the 'I dislike xxx' threads or not.

[Knoll Argonar]

Nozybidaj wrote...

/sigh Why is this thread not locked yet? Someone go create a Tali hate thread, bet it gets locked within the hour.

The more you spam this thread, the more we'll try to comment reasonable things in it.

As I said in my first post, for me ME2 Liara is underrated. For me, ME2 Liara > ME1 Liara.

I think the fact that almost nothing is explained about her during those years is because it's in ME3 when you'll know what happened there. But at least you know she has purpose, other friends, people she knows, not only YOU because YOU are the center of the Universe.

But anyway, I admit that 2 years (well, almost 2,3 years considering what's a galactic year in ME Universe) is not much time for her to be a great information broker. But think about this: she's a respected informatio broker Nos Astra, 1city of a whole planet in the middle of the Terminus Systems.

It's not like she now rules the galaxy.

[Nozybidaj]

[Xandurpein]

Knoll Argonar wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

/sigh Why is this thread not locked yet? Someone go create a Tali hate thread, bet it gets locked within the hour.

The more you spam this thread, the more we'll try to comment reasonable things in it.

As I said in my first post, for me ME2 Liara is underrated. For me, ME2 Liara > ME1 Liara.

I agree. Liara is interesting in ME2 because she obviously has undegone a lot of character development. I admit that the players is not given all the explanations they need to understand why this is happening, but I don't know to what extent this is on purpose and to be revealed in ME3. The point is that in ME1 she was naive and obvious, now she is a mystery, and a lot more interesting.
The use of the Comic to cover some of the 'missing years' is maybe a bit dubious to me, but at least it shows just how central Liara is to the story in Mass Effect.

[Nozybidaj]

[badrobot2]

Hmm… it seems this thread has cloned itself. lol.

[Nozybidaj]

badrobot2 wrote...

Hmm… it seems this thread has cloned itself. lol.

[DuffyMJ]

Nozybidaj has too much time on his hands, apparently.

[javierabegazo]

-sighs- This one too, no hate threads