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[Tazzmission]

i love both games but me2 has a great story wich to me makes the game. as far as the kotor battles go kotor2 is garbage and the original is classic

[ModerateOsprey]

ME2 is a great game, no question, IMO. It didn't have that extra touch of magic that I felt when I first played ME1. I have to say though, I enjoyed the sequel much, much more on my second playthrough - nearly at the end now.



They are both great games and certainly high up my list of the favourites in my collection.



I don't miss the massive list of stuff to wade through and yeah, I agree that you feel like you are hassling people when you try and talk when your dialogue options run out - 'I'm busy right now, why don't you go outside and play?' sort of stuff makes you kinda lonely, but hey! Its tough at the top.



There are some exploration options though and some of the ambient dialogue is hilarious. I have to give some tribute to Zaeed available as DLC here. His ambient dialogue all through the game is utterly priceless.



It is also good to see that phones and email are present now. I never did get why in ME1 I had to walk all the way across a spaceport to tell someone something, when it would have been more sensible to give 'em a bell or even send a txt.



@voteDC. I liked the combat in the first one as well and was really sad to see that crouch was removed.



I do not in any way feel like I haven't had my money's worth with ME2, even if just seen as a shooter and it is a lot more than that. It is is still a very long game compared to your usual shooters that have finished in 5 to 7 hours.

[MPaBkaTa123]

I know this is offtopic but i find Kotor 2 to be superior to Kotor 1, mainly because Kotor 1 is ridiculously predictable. Kotor 2 gave a lot more interesting characters, the influence system although unrefined (perfected in my opinion with DA:O) was great. But what really stands out was the morality system, in Kotor 1 you were either a saint or the bastard offspring of Hitler and Satan. In Kotor 2 however there were lots more choices on the spectrum and the choices were more varied (in most cases) than "1.Hello, do you need help 2.I hate you and everything you stand for". Still mostly opinion based actually.



On topic though: Both games have their ups and downs and in my humble opinion you should just play both and decide for yourself have fun .

[DarthCaine]

MPaBkaTa123 wrote...

I know this is offtopic but i find Kotor 2 to be superior to Kotor 1, mainly because Kotor 1 is ridiculously predictable

You're telling me you actually saw the plot twist in KOTOR1?
(which IMO is one of the greatest plot twists in a game ever)

BTW, there wasn't anything unpredictable in KOTOR2

Modifié par DarthCaine, 09 mars 2010 - 09:44 .

[SurfaceBeneath]

DarthCaine wrote...

SurfaceBeneath wrote...



KoTOR 1 was better than 2?



I disagree sir.

Yes, YOU disagree

But IMO KOTOR1 is faaaaaaaaar better than KOTOR2 (buggy unfinished game with a crap plot)

I've seen many discussions and polls on lots of different forums and KOTOR1 has always won

KoTOR 1 has a cool twist (what a tweest!) but besides that the story is extremely generic.



KoTOR 2 has a major upper hand in the writing department by creating characters that are actually extremely interesting and by going into the philosophical underpinnings of the force in a way that Star Wars mythos up to that point had never done so. That and Kreia is probably one of the best video game characters ever created. Actually, all 3 of the Sith Lords in KoTOR 2 were awesome as hell.



Also, while the game was buggy and unfinished, you have to cut Obsidian some slack for Lucasarts literally forcing them to churn the game out in 10 months. It's a damn tragedy that Obsidian didn't get an extra 6 months to finish the game.

[MPaBkaTa123]

DarthCaine wrote...

MPaBkaTa123 wrote...

I know this is offtopic but i find Kotor 2 to be superior to Kotor 1, mainly because Kotor 1 is ridiculously predictable

You're telling me you actually saw the plot twist in KOTOR1?
(which IMO is one of the greatest plot twists in a game ever)

BTW, there wasn't anything unpredictable in KOTOR2

You mean the plot twist they told you when you got to dantooine, well partly but you have a point. The idea of KOTOR 2 was not to be surprising it is the journey of the characters, it isn't about saving the world it's about the Exile discovering him/herself.

[GHOST OF FRUITY]

Both are great games for different reasons so you should enjoy both i'm sure.

[DarthCaine]

MPaBkaTa123 wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

MPaBkaTa123 wrote...

I know this is offtopic but i find Kotor 2 to be superior to Kotor 1, mainly because Kotor 1 is ridiculously predictable

You're telling me you actually saw the plot twist in KOTOR1?
(which IMO is one of the greatest plot twists in a game ever)

BTW, there wasn't anything unpredictable in KOTOR2

You mean the plot twist they told you when you got to dantooine, well partly but you have a point. The idea of KOTOR 2 was not to be surprising it is the journey of the characters, it isn't about saving the world it's about the Exile discovering him/herself.

Actually I was talking about what Malak told you on the Leviathan

[adembroski11]

I feel like being detailed, so I will.

Combat- Mass Effect 2 is far better. The battles are engaging and frantic. You really feel like you're on the edge at all times. Very few games have gotten my blood flowing in their combat like this one. I never really issued orders to my squadmates in ME1, I do constantly in ME2 because you will find yourself pinned down and unable to move. The more lethal weaponry makes the game far more exciting, as being able to be a walking tank in ME1 took a lot of the excitement out of it.

On, and more enemies. Lots more.

Role Playing- Even, for the most part. Dialogues are great in both, options generally cover the bases, and the voice acting is outstanding (I honestly think Shepard [male] is the weak link in the cast!). Mass Effect 1 gets the slight nod because in ME2, ultimately your issues are handled with your gun, where as ME1 allowed a lot more game-changing dialogues.

Story- Mass Effect 1 because it's a more cinematic plot. This isn't a knock on ME2, as ME2 simply isn't designed to be cinematic. It embraces itself as being a video game and thus able to present a story in a different way, and it works, but if you were to translate these into films or book, the second simply wouldn't work. 80% of ME2 would be cut down to maybe 10 minutes of a full length film.

Leveling/Skills: ME1 hands down. It's "streamlined" (or, dumbed down, as I prefer) in ME2 and doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I need to reach a certain level of skill, and then I can magically turn my ammo into incidiary ammo? What? Anyways, along with the new inventory system, this aspect of the game should have stuck with ME1s setup, imho. The worst changes the game saw.

Building on that is the way the classes work. No longer do you have to think about whether or not to bring along Talia to deal with any tough tech problems you might run into. Tech is just another form of combat. Every class is combat orientated, and all the ME1 tech stuff (decrypting, overriding) is handled through mini-games (better mini-games than ME1, but mind-numbingly easy once you get the hang of it). Basically, Shepard somehow became a tech expert between games, no matter what class you chose.

Setting/Environment: This is a tough call. Some people are saying "WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!?!?" but let me explain.

ME2's environments are beautiful, immersive, and full of character. The moment you walk into the Afterlife toward the beginning of the game, you feel sucked into this world (and trust me, WALK in. Get the full effect of the audio and the bar being presented to you. Hear the patrons, hear the music as you're walking in, it's stunning!). There are no repeated levels like ME1, every location is unique.

However, they're tiny and confining compared to ME1. There is no overland exploration of worlds (not that it was particularly well done in ME1, but at least I could stand on a ridge and overlook the landscape, seeing the moons and sun of a given planet in ME1). There's no alternate routes in ME2, for the most part, as every mission is a straight gauntlet of enemies on a linear path. It's a damn good thing the combat is so good in ME2, because each mission essencially degenerates into a series of battles faught in a predetermined order.

ME2's greatest strength is the combat. I miss the old overheat system (it was original, it feels like the universe has taken a huge step back in technology with the second). In ME1, I'd occassionally avoid a mission because I didn't feel like dealing with combat at the moment. I'm always ready to go in ME2 as the fighting is just so well done. It's weakness is a push away from RPG and toward FPS.

ME1's greatest strength is the character development (statistical) and feeling of freedom in large areas. It was not a strong FPS, but it's a much better RPG.

Word of warning: The Citadel is a huge disappointment in ME2.

[slyguy07]

Another big problem with ME2 is the feeling that you are exploring a large and vast galaxy isn't there. The MAKO provided that in ME1 even though it was rather dull and generic for a lot of the time. It was actually fun on the main quest line though imo.

[SithLordExarKun]

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

KoTOR 1 was better than 2?

I disagree sir.

Yes, YOU disagree
But IMO KOTOR1 is faaaaaaaaar better than KOTOR2 (buggy unfinished game with a crap plot)
I've seen many discussions and polls on lots of different forums and KOTOR1 has always won

KoTOR 1 has a cool twist (what a tweest!) but besides that the story is extremely generic.

KoTOR 2 has a major upper hand in the writing department by creating characters that are actually extremely interesting and by going into the philosophical underpinnings of the force in a way that Star Wars mythos up to that point had never done so. That and Kreia is probably one of the best video game characters ever created. Actually, all 3 of the Sith Lords in KoTOR 2 were awesome as hell.

Also, while the game was buggy and unfinished, you have to cut Obsidian some slack for Lucasarts literally forcing them to churn the game out in 10 months. It's a damn tragedy that Obsidian didn't get an extra 6 months to finish the game.

  All except darth nihilus which imo was a pathethic excuse of a character.

Though not as bad as galen marek.

[SurfaceBeneath]

SithLordExarKun wrote...
 All except darth nihilus which imo was a pathethic excuse of a character.

Though not as bad as galen marek.

Darth Nihilus was amazing in concept but poorly executed, no doubt due to much of the content that was cut from the original game.

If there was an all out brawl between every Jedi and Sith in all Star Wars canon up to this point, I'd probably put Darth Nihilus as the winner due to his god hax powers of just eating the force.

[SithLordExarKun]

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

Darth Nihilus was amazing in concept but poorly executed, no doubt due to much of the content that was cut from the original game.

He lacks a backstory and substantial character development.

SurfaceBeneath wrote...
If there was an all out brawl between every Jedi and Sith in all Star Wars canon up to this point, I'd probably put Darth Nihilus as the winner due to his god hax powers of just eating the force.

Actually in star wars according to canon Darth Sidious is the most powerful sith lord and combatant in the mythos(the source acknowledged the existence of Nihilus). He even demonstrates his devastating powers in Dark Empire and had the ancient sith bow before him.

This may sound nerdy but if you paid attention to the dialogue he doesn't actually eat the force but the death he caused.

Modifié par SithLordExarKun, 09 mars 2010 - 12:00 .

[Sailears]

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

KoTOR 1 was better than 2?

I disagree sir.

Yes, YOU disagree
But IMO KOTOR1 is faaaaaaaaar better than KOTOR2 (buggy unfinished game with a crap plot)
I've seen many discussions and polls on lots of different forums and KOTOR1 has always won

KoTOR 1 has a cool twist (what a tweest!) but besides that the story is extremely generic.

KoTOR 2 has a major upper hand in the writing department by creating characters that are actually extremely interesting and by going into the philosophical underpinnings of the force in a way that Star Wars mythos up to that point had never done so. That and Kreia is probably one of the best video game characters ever created. Actually, all 3 of the Sith Lords in KoTOR 2 were awesome as hell.

Also, while the game was buggy and unfinished, you have to cut Obsidian some slack for Lucasarts literally forcing them to churn the game out in 10 months. It's a damn tragedy that Obsidian didn't get an extra 6 months to finish the game.

(Bold text) Absolutely.

[SurfaceBeneath]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Actually in star wars according to canon Darth Sidious is the most powerful sith lord and combatant in the mythos(the source acknowledged the existence of Nihilus). He even demonstrates his devastating powers in Dark Empire and had the ancient sith bow before him.



This may sound nerdy but if you paid attention to the dialogue he doesn't actually eat the force but the death he caused.

I don't think Nihilus was ever very properly defined in canon. But suffice to say, he does essentially eat entire planets, killing every single living being on them by rending their connection with the Force. And the only reason that the Exile was able to defeat him was due to her peculiar situation of being disconnected from the Force. I'm not really sure how shooting lightning out of your hands is really comparable to that... I mean, Darth Sidious still had to build a Death Start to take planets out. Nihilus just OMNOMNOMed them.



Holy crap this is nerdy as all hell {smilie} I haven't debated comparative "power levels" of fictional characters in years!

[DarthCaine]

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

Also, while the game was buggy and unfinished, you have to cut Obsidian some slack for Lucasarts literally forcing them to churn the game out in 10 months. It's a damn tragedy that Obsidian didn't get an extra 6 months to finish the game.

They had plenty of time to finish NWN2, and the damn game is the buggiest game ever WITH the patches
They delayed Alpha Protocol a million times 'cos they had millions of bugs probably

Everybody always blames the publisher, never their favorite developer

Modifié par DarthCaine, 09 mars 2010 - 12:53 .

[SurfaceBeneath]

DarthCaine wrote...
They had plenty of time to finish NWN2, and the damn game is the buggiest game ever WITH the patches
They delayed Alpha Protocol a million times 'cos they had millions of bugs probably

Everybody always blames the publisher, never their favorite developer

Well, I'll give you that NWN2 had a crappy engine, but the game itself was decent and I personally didn't find any game breaking bugs when I played through it. Also, the Mask of the Betrayer expansion has one of the best stories told in a video game ever and is actually quite an amazing game. TBH, Alpha Protocol's delay is a good thing... if Obsidian's QA is as bad as KoTOR 2 and NWN2 indicates it is, then they need that extra time to iron out the bugs.

Alpha Protocol and New Vegas will be the true tests of Obsidian as a developer. I'm a bit nervous about both, though the thought of Fallout being brought back into the hands of its original developers makes me giddy and I hope they can really show Bethesda how it is done.

[DarthCaine]

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

Well, I'll give you that NWN2 had a crappy engine, but the game itself was decent and I personally didn't find any game breaking bugs when I played through it. Also, the Mask of the Betrayer expansion has one of the best stories told in a video game ever and is actually quite an amazing game.

Try playing the OC with the expansion installed. You'll never finish it 'cos there's diplicate quests, never ending cutscenes, people spawning in front of you etc.

[ZodiakZen]

loved ME1, of course its better than ME2 because you had to play it like a bajillion times for the achievement points lol. Only played through ME2 once then my xbox broke >.>

[SurfaceBeneath]

DarthCaine wrote...

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

Well, I'll give you that NWN2 had a crappy engine, but the game itself was decent and I personally didn't find any game breaking bugs when I played through it. Also, the Mask of the Betrayer expansion has one of the best stories told in a video game ever and is actually quite an amazing game.

Try playing the OC with the expansion installed. You'll never finish it 'cos there's diplicate quests, never ending cutscenes, people spawning in front of you etc.

I actually did just play the NWN2 OC for the first time about 2 months ago with the expansion installed. That and Mask of the Betrayer were what got me through the month between when I stopped playing Dragon Age and when ME2 came out.

And actually, I take back what I said about no game breaking bugs. I actually did encounter ONE bug that required me to go into the console to spawn a quest essential npc that died. That was aggravating, but meh. One major bug over the course of a 50-60 hour game isn't too bad imo.

[SithLordExarKun]

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

 I don't think Nihilus was ever very properly defined in canon. But suffice to say, he does essentially eat entire planets, killing every single living being on them by rending their connection with the Force. And the only reason that the Exile was able to defeat him was due to her peculiar situation of being disconnected from the Force. I'm not really sure how shooting lightning out of your hands is really comparable to that... I mean, Darth Sidious still had to build a Death Start to take planets out. Nihilus just OMNOMNOMed them.

Holy crap this is nerdy as all hell {smilie} I haven't debated comparative "power levels" of fictional characters in years!

He doesn't actually eat the planets but he feeds whats on them. And he cuts off the bond between the being and the force which is essentially what kill them. The dark empire incarnation of sidious has the same ability and his mere presence on the planet byss turned a "once lush and fertile planet" into "one of the most powerful dark side sites in the galaxy".

In the same comic he summons a "force storm" which essentially is a hyperspace wormhole that destroys space and time, wiped out an entire armada when battling luke and leia and has been powerful enough to "tear off a planets" surface and transport an individual light years away. The  force storm has also been stated to be the most powerful and most dangerous of all powers which the only force user to ever demonstrate and invent it was darth sidious.

The exile surived because she was a "wound" in the force meaning her connection wasn't complete and sidious has the ability to disconnect and mask his force connection which wouldn't allow nihilus to actually use his technique to feed on palpatines connection.

The movies don't show the true power of the emperor but the comics and expanded universe do such as the empire comic serious depict palpatine killing 100 storm troopers who turned on him while diverting the lightning from killing his own men and reducing 3 sith acolytes to ashes with one blast of lightning. The EU also depicts  sidious incredible skill with the lightsaber where he was able to trace the body of darth maul where the "slightest twitch means death".

Sidious wasn't exactly all powerful in episode 3 but by the time of return of the jedi and dark empire his power grew immensely. He even has the holocron of Darth Nihilus in his archives.

Modifié par SithLordExarKun, 09 mars 2010 - 02:26 .

[SurfaceBeneath]

Oh, well, I'm in no way familiar with any of the EU Star Wars books to be honest. So I've no idea what kind of uber hax powers Luke Skywalker and Sidious develop there (though I do hear it traipses well into the absurd).

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

The most significant improvement is the fact that ME2 is now precision shooter and cover is forced throughout the entire game. So if you like popping out of cover for 99% of the entire game and shooting at enemies with locational damage, youll love ME2.

All the other so called improvements are debatable according to each individual. Bottom line is they made ME2 into a shooter above all else. So I guess its down to your individual liking for shooters as whether youll find ME2 an improvement.

Me? I vastly prefer ME1 in many number of ways over ME2.

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 09 mars 2010 - 02:30 .

[SithLordExarKun]

This is why i hate star wars, it is quickly becoming more and more like the ridiculous marvel and DC comics.

In fact its getting even more ridiculous with all the time travels and this new cosmic entity that may be far more powerful than both sidious and nihilus.
God i hope that ME3 doesn't go down the same path because if it does, i am going to **** a brick.

Modifié par SithLordExarKun, 09 mars 2010 - 02:30 .