Vaenier wrote...
Shepard is dead without Cerberus. They gave me a second chance, the least I can do is give them a second chance.
Agreed. The lack of trust is disapointing.jklinders wrote...
As I do in ME2. Then TIM nearly gets me killed several times because he thought it was cute to withhold information. It can be a little hard to get past that.Vaenier wrote...
Shepard is dead without Cerberus. They gave me a second chance, the least I can do is give them a second chance.
Which is a common tactic that has come up in the past in history/conspiracy theories, and fiction. TIM says that he needed you to go in blind as not to alert the Collector's to their trap, and that he had faith in your abilities.jklinders wrote...
As I do in ME2. Then TIM nearly gets me killed several times because he thought it was cute to withhold information. It can be a little hard to get past that.
Modifié par Akeashar, 10 mars 2010 - 04:02 .
Shandepared wrote...
Wildecker wrote...
Cerberus' reputation is its own worst enemy. Once you begin reasoning that it's acceptable to sacrifice a few hundred thousand people here and there (preferably those who won't be missed anyway) "for the greater good" you may just as well start grinding people for your own Reaper.
Those not willing to make sacrifices will be destroyed by those who are. Those who beat their swords into plows will be killed by those who do not.
Akeashar wrote...
Which is a common tactic that has come up in the past in history/conspiracy theories, and fiction. TIM says that he needed you to go in blind as not to alert the Collector's to their trap, and that he had faith in your abilities.jklinders wrote...
As I do in ME2. Then TIM nearly gets me killed several times because he thought it was cute to withhold information. It can be a little hard to get past that.
And you know... I believe him, and agree with him to a point on the philosophy behind it.
Its not him being cute, its necessity. You don't let the opposition know that you know their hand before they play it, you just stack the cards so that you're sure you'll be able to beat what is dealt.
As for me, I support Cerberus, for many of the reasons posted earliar in the thread. The attitude a lot of people seem to have reminds me of running into Kaiden on Horizon, however.
As a sole survivor background, I still think its a partial retcon or misinformation that Cerberus was behind Akuze, because nothing in ME1 implies its Cerberus, unless you draw a long line and go 'Mad Scientist Experiments... It must have really been Cerberus agents because no Perfect Alliance Scientists would do such evil!'
(And yes, after the half dozen playthroughs of ME1 I did in the month prior to ME2, I'm way too familiar with how the Akuze revenge scenario plays out)
Wildecker wrote...
Other organisations may be planning to do something about it, but they sure as hell won't discuss their plans with Cerberus staff. And honestly: do you think Cerberus would have lifted a finger if, for example, Batarians had started to vanish by the millions?
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Akeashar wrote...
Wildecker wrote...
Other organisations may be planning to do something about it, but they sure as hell won't discuss their plans with Cerberus staff. And honestly: do you think Cerberus would have lifted a finger if, for example, Batarians had started to vanish by the millions?
Of course not, and the Alliance or the Council wouldn't lift a finger either because *puts on Paragon Shepard voice* all Batarians are slavers and terrorists, and we don't side with or help terrorists. *back to normal voice*
Oh wait... there was that one plague ridden Batarian back in the Omega Wards, and the ones holding the assistant hostage. Surely a Paragon would be making sure all those terrorist slavers died?.
And by extension, since all Cerberus are terrorists, Shepard should be happy having the Collectors wipe out an entire crew worth of terrorists by turning all the Normandy staff except Chakwas into human milkshakes? Especially those nasty engineers that try to corrupt you into playing cards with them. They're obviously hiding their xenophobic terrorist personalities behind such charm and humour.
(This post was brought to you by the side of my personality that my wife doesn't approve of)
bobobo878 wrote...
Alexandus wrote...
Quite. Liberals are the type to put their government in utter and complete power. Which doesn't work out very well, if you've read 1984 by any chance, or heard anything about the Soviet Union.
Funny, 1984 also had lots of references to violations of privacy rights and torture, both conservative policies.
Liberals and Conservatives simply try to put different powers into the government's hands, rather than one adding more than the other. Between the two we have all the ingredients for a police state. Unwarranted spying and torture are both used by Cerberus btw. Funny how no matter who reads 1984 they only get the messages they wanted to hear.
Why is it that people don't understand what the term Liberal is? 
Uh, retcon that that Cerberus WAS behind Akuze? The only retcon would be that they weren't. And since in ME1 Toombs tells us that he escaped from a Cerberus facility, it's not really a very long line you have to draw. I mean, there's being an apologist and then there's ignoring the information you're given. (EDIT: Though, in fairness, I think you're only given the Cerberus line from Toombs if you've already finished the Hades Dogs quest)Akeashar wrote...
As a sole survivor background, I still think its a partial retcon or misinformation that Cerberus was behind Akuze, because nothing in ME1 implies its Cerberus, unless you draw a long line and go 'Mad Scientist Experiments... It must have really been Cerberus agents because no Perfect Alliance Scientists would do such evil!'
(And yes, after the half dozen playthroughs of ME1 I did in the month prior to ME2, I'm way too familiar with how the Akuze revenge scenario plays out)
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The Reaper threat involves the entire galaxy. I would hope TIM is smart enough to recognize that in a scenerio where Salarian colonies were getting attacked vs Human colonies that the threat to the galaxy still exists. Therefore the threat to humanity still exists. Maybe TIM would not help the Salarians directly, but I would think he would still recognize the threat and act accordingly to defeat the Reapers._purifico_ wrote...
Sure, they recognize the Reapers threat. Good for them. But I get the feeling that it's only because the Collectors were targeting human colonies. If any other non-human settlements would desapear TIM wouldn't have moved a finger to help them.
Modifié par JohnnyDollar, 10 mars 2010 - 07:44 .
Ulicus wrote...
Uh, retcon that that Cerberus WAS behind Akuze? The only retcon would be that they weren't. And since in ME1 Toombs tells us that he escaped from a Cerberus facility, it's not really a very long line you have to draw. I mean, there's being an apologist and then there's ignoring the information you're given. (EDIT: Though, in fairness, I think you're only given the Cerberus line from Toombs if you've already finished the Hades Dogs quest)
RyrineaNara wrote...
bobobo878 wrote...
Alexandus wrote...
Quite. Liberals are the type to put their government in utter and complete power. Which doesn't work out very well, if you've read 1984 by any chance, or heard anything about the Soviet Union.
Funny, 1984 also had lots of references to violations of privacy rights and torture, both conservative policies.
Liberals and Conservatives simply try to put different powers into the government's hands, rather than one adding more than the other. Between the two we have all the ingredients for a police state. Unwarranted spying and torture are both used by Cerberus btw. Funny how no matter who reads 1984 they only get the messages they wanted to hear.
Off topic
True and Oswal was a Soicalist himself, I tend to agree with Bobobo878. Alex please learn what Liberal means.
Still will not trust Cerbuse nor will I ever trust them.
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What do you think of Legion's/Geth theory about a race developing it's own technology to achieve the same means vs using enemy technology and therefore following your enemies path and losing the advantage of being seperate and unique with regards to technology and development?Alexandus wrote...
To destroy the Reapers, it is necessitated that we fight fire with fire. We utilize every weapon we can pick up to use against them, for example, the Collector Base and it's gold mine of technology. It is necessitated that new tactics be innovated, new technology, new alliances of species. It is necessitated that we not give the Reapers anything resembling a fair fight.
However we can stack any battle against them to our advantage must be done, even if it means sacrificing a thousand councils.
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JohnnyDollar wrote...
What do you think of Legion's/Geth theory about a race developing it's own technology to achieve the same means vs using enemy technology and therefore following your enemies path and losing the advantage of being seperate and unique with regards to technology and development?Alexandus wrote...
To destroy the Reapers, it is necessitated that we fight fire with fire. We utilize every weapon we can pick up to use against them, for example, the Collector Base and it's gold mine of technology. It is necessitated that new tactics be innovated, new technology, new alliances of species. It is necessitated that we not give the Reapers anything resembling a fair fight.
However we can stack any battle against them to our advantage must be done, even if it means sacrificing a thousand councils.
Nice theory but a little too late to apply with the threat on the horizon?
And also any ramifications from TIM/Cerberus getting their hands on said technology to sinister/unworthy goals.
Again worth the risk because of the circumstances involving the Reaper threat?
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Beholderess wrote...
I ask again - will you let your own child be that sacrifice? Espetailly in the manner Cerberus seems to be using?
Shandepared wrote...
Beholderess wrote...
I ask again - will you let your own child be that sacrifice? Espetailly in the manner Cerberus seems to be using?
I don't know. I'm not saying it would be an easy choice. Would you kill your own mother to save 100,000 lives? I wouldn't blame you for not being able to bring yourself to do that, but that doesn't mean you're making the right choice. You are naive, you are selfish, and you are short-sighted. You won't even consider making sacrifices and in doing so you put others in danger. Heaven forbid you have to live with a heavy conscience.
Swift efficiency is good.
Modifié par anmiro, 10 mars 2010 - 11:52 .
anmiro wrote...
No. Cerberus has the capability to do anything they want and have no codes of conduct to guide their actions. They have and will kill as many innocent people as they want to achieve their goals. They are glorified terrorists. Just because the Illusive Man does not want to be wiped out by the Reapers does not make him a good guy or excuse him for his past crimes. Cerberus is nothing more than the enemy of Shepard's enemy. And if we don't have an opportunity to destroy Cerberus in ME3, I will be very disappointed.
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