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[FlintlockJazz]

Let me ask the pro-Cerb people a quick question: If a shadow organisation decided that your brother/son/daughter/wife/sister had to die just for them to gain some research, would that be right? Furthermore, do you really think those people would sacrifice their own families or even their own lives for the good of humanity? Because they won't. People forget that these organisations that supposedly 'do what is necessary' are led by people just like themselves, and have no more right to decide who lives and dies than anyone else since they will not make the sacrifice themselves. Its fine to say that you are doing what is necessary, but those who say that are rarely the ones to suffer themselves for it, and sadly I see it happening in real life: people being convinced to throw their lives away for the advancement of leaders who would never do it themselves...

[Sharn01]

Weskerr wrote...

Terraneaux wrote...

SerenityN0w wrote...

It's not that he has more information (though he very well could) it's that he isn't a thick headed moron and can clearly see the evidence of the reapers where as the council and the alliance refuse to admit they were wrong due to the political ramifications and wide spread panic I'm sure. Illusive man > politicians

There are plenty of politicians who, given the set of data TIM has, would understand what's going on.  Hell, the council says they believe you at the end of ME1.  The idea that it's somehow politically inexpedient to not make the reaper threat public is silly; everyone knows that war is a great way for politicians to solidify power.  All it is is a forced bit of writing trying to make TIM seem like awesomesauce, at the expense of characterization shown in ME1.  

I have to agree with Terraneau. Even if the Council is composed of politicians, they are also leaders. It would be much more understandable if the Council denied the existence of Reapers to the public, but secretly funded a project to determine if they are real. Also, as far as we know, the Council, Alliance, and Cerberus have the same evidence in front of them about the Reapers. So how is it that, when presented with the same evidence, the Council and Alliance do not conclude that the Reapers are real, but Cerberus does? I cannot accept the explanation that "the Council is stupid" without feeling that the writers are insulting my intelligence. That explanation just isn't plausible.To me, this is either bad story writing or TIM really does have more information and the writers are saving this revelation for ME3 as a plot twist.

There was a post some time ago by Skyblade012 called the Diary of a Turian Councilor I believe.  It was a pretty well written and detailed journal of how they are keeping the Reaper's a secret from the public but in reality where preparing for the threat. 

They did not feel it was safe to divulge anything to Shepard because TIM had been spreading rumors about him/her working for Cerberus since before the you even woke up in the lab (this is actually in the game).

It was a nice read, particuarly since I already had thought's similer to this myself.

[Terraneaux]

Sharn01 wrote...

There was a post some time ago by Skyblade012 called the Diary of a Turian Councilor I believe.  It was a pretty well written and detailed journal of how they are keeping the Reaper's a secret from the public but in reality where preparing for the threat. 

They did not feel it was safe to divulge anything to Shepard because TIM had been spreading rumors about him/her working for Cerberus since before the you even woke up in the lab (this is actually in the game).

It was a nice read, particuarly since I already had thought's similer to this myself.

It would be nice, and would paint a much more realistic picture of the behavior of the council, but I don't think that's what's happening, as they would have talked about it in ME2 if that were the case.  No, I think the plan in ME2 was that council went full retard, and only this john galt-ish character can save us.  Notice it's not Shepard, who is more or less a passive observer of the main storyline in ME2, right up until the end.

[falco117]

Im a rules a regulations man to the bone therefore

I DONT TRUST CERBERUS

I won't compromise myself to achieve my goals

in a mass effect version

I won't let fear compromise who I am to stop the reapers.



btw, I have a feeling that even though u saved the collector base, I imagine the reapers have a backup plan to deal with those who obtain their technology i.e. ASSUMING CONTROL

[Multifarious Algorithm]

Terraneaux wrote...

Sharn01 wrote...

There was a post some time ago by Skyblade012 called the Diary of a Turian Councilor I believe.  It was a pretty well written and detailed journal of how they are keeping the Reaper's a secret from the public but in reality where preparing for the threat. 

They did not feel it was safe to divulge anything to Shepard because TIM had been spreading rumors about him/her working for Cerberus since before the you even woke up in the lab (this is actually in the game).

It was a nice read, particuarly since I already had thought's similer to this myself.

It would be nice, and would paint a much more realistic picture of the behavior of the council, but I don't think that's what's happening, as they would have talked about it in ME2 if that were the case.  No, I think the plan in ME2 was that council went full retard, and only this john galt-ish character can save us.  Notice it's not Shepard, who is more or less a passive observer of the main storyline in ME2, right up until the end.

The council are ultimately just a set of representatives acting on behalf of their respective governments. Given Bioware are pretty good about overall storytelling, I would suspect the Council was simply charged with denying everything in whatever way they could. Because the notion that you wouldn't want to cause a mass panic is well, accurate. It would be unbelievably negligent to inform a citizenry who can generally do nothing about it that the end may be nigh.
Plus there other hints - how, for example, did Mordin write a paper on Reaper Indoctrination if the STG aren't interested?

[Aradace]

I support Cerberus simply because it's not Alliance...Anything that spits in the eye of the Alliance is A-OK in my book lol

[Vamp44]

Yes, I support Cerberus.

I support them because they get things done, they don't care HOW it gets done as long as it does, and because of TIM. TIM is the idol of all my Shepards....

Also focusing on humanity? Sounds good.

Modifié par Vamp44, 09 mars 2010 - 10:45 .

[Sharn01]

Cerberus Commando wrote...

Do you guys really think the illusive man would double cross shepard?

Uh, yes, how can you think he wouldn't.  He would double cross Shepard the very moment it became more profitiable to betray him/her then not to, that is TIM's defining personality trait, to think otherwise is foolish.

[Anima3x3]

Sharn01 wrote...

Cerberus Commando wrote...

Do you guys really think the illusive man would double cross shepard?

Uh, yes, how can you think he wouldn't.  He would double cross Shepard the very moment it became more profitiable to betray him/her then not to, that is TIM's defining personality trait, to think otherwise is foolish.

That's true, though considering Shepard's "hero" status to the rest of humanity, it's fairly unlikely that TIM would want to do anything seriously bad to Shepard (humanity needs whatever heroes it can get, after all).

[AntiChri5]

Cerberus is guilty of so many crimes, but since many refuse to let that affect their decision making i will point out one more:



Criminal incompatance.



Cerberus always ****s up. ALWAYS!

[Bwaksson]

I support Cerberus with my renegade character and don't with my paragon character.

Me, myself supports cerberus. After all they are pro-human, not anti-aliens. Atleast they claim to be. The Illusive man is I.M.O. very likely to turn on you, no matter what you do.

Besides, they try to make rachni pets, which is awesome. If there were a rachni team member I would bring it every time.

...

I want a rachni team member in ME3.

[AntiChri5]

Cerberus Commando wrote...

But sharn01 why would he bring shepard back in the first place? Just to double cross him????

To use him/her

[Big Yam]

I support Cerberus as they are presented in ME2. Humanity will dominate over all other species!

[Sharn01]

Cerberus Commando wrote...

But sharn01 why would he bring shepard back in the first place? Just to double cross him????

He brought Shepard back because s/he was the best choice for whatever plan he had.  He will continue to use Shepard so long as it is profitable to do so, and betray him/her when it becomes more profitable to do so, that is who TIM is. 

[Barquiel]

Bwaksson wrote...

After all they are pro-human, not anti-aliens. Atleast they claim to be. The Illusive man is I.M.O. very likely to turn on you, no matter what you do.

I think TIM hand-picked some moderates for the crew of the Normandy (I doubt Kelly is a typical Cerberus member)

[AntiChri5]

Cerberus Commando wrote...

But he spent like 4. Somthinh billion credits on shepard!!!!

Exactly. Shepard is a resource, to be used for as long as possible and then discarded.