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[Ahisgewaya]

Everyone is forgetting that Morrigan tells you that no harm will come to the child. Whether you trust her or not is another thing, but since I always romance her, I do indeed trust her in this case.



On another note, I gave Flemeth the same option -namely to state that Morrigan would come to no harm. If she had asured me of this, she would not have died. And as to her not being dead, no she's not actually dead. She is however weakened and without a physical form currently, which I hope will give Morrigan the time she needs to find a means to protect herself (although I also think having the god-baby might be a way to protect herself).

[Andorfiend]

krylo wrote...

Flemeth is... different, however. Is she an amalgam of every being she has devoured? If so how much of a voice would Morrigan have left? Is the ritual she uses a way to subdue/enslave the mage's personality before ever entering the body? If so what chance does Morrigan have? Is she simply so powerful that she has never, in all her centuries of possessing her daughters, failed to take control of the mage she possessed? If so, again, what chance does Morrigan have.

That was my thought too, that Flemeth may absorb/join with the souls of her 'daughters.' Souls can't normally cohabitate a body, but there seems to be something fundamentally different about a spirit/demon. They can join with a soul to make an amalgam/abomination. Who's to say that this joint spirt/soul cannot then join with others?  In 'The Hallowed Hunt' by Lois BuJold the bad guy does essentially the same thing becoming both monstrously powerful and monsterous in the process. He was creepy.

[DJ0000]

Andorfiend wrote...

krylo wrote...

Flemeth is... different, however. Is she an amalgam of every being she has devoured? If so how much of a voice would Morrigan have left? Is the ritual she uses a way to subdue/enslave the mage's personality before ever entering the body? If so what chance does Morrigan have? Is she simply so powerful that she has never, in all her centuries of possessing her daughters, failed to take control of the mage she possessed? If so, again, what chance does Morrigan have.

That was my thought too, that Flemeth may absorb/join with the souls of her 'daughters.' Souls can't normally cohabitate a body, but there seems to be something fundamentally different about a spirit/demon. They can join with a soul to make an amalgam/abomination. Who's to say that this joint spirt/soul cannot then join with others?  In 'The Hallowed Hunt' by Lois BuJold the bad guy does essentially the same thing becoming both monstrously powerful and monsterous in the process. He was creepy.

Personally I think that the soul of the daughter is either destroyed or simply pushed out. The fact that the Archdemon cannot take over a Warden shows that 2 souls cannot inhabit the same body.

I think demon's are different in that they control the person from within the Fade rather than within their body. For example, Connor's demon is still in the fade and the Sloth Demon appears as an abomination in the physical realm but it is still within the fade in it's true form.

Flemeth seems to be different in that she takes the body and forces the other personas soul out, if this is indeed the case then it would be impossible for Morrigan to gain the child body and keep the Old Gods soul.

And then there's the fact that Morrigan doesn't have a demon keeping her alive like Flemeth does.

I guess you could argue that the demon in Flemth may allow her to posses another in the same way they usually do however, they usually don't bring the soul of the person with them from one body to the other so I don't think that that would be a reasonable explaination.

But, even if Morrigan could share the Old Gods body, which would be in control. The Old God would be far more powerful so if pure power determines control, Morrigan would lose.

[krylo]

DJ0000 wrote...

And then there's the fact that Morrigan doesn't have a demon keeping her alive like Flemeth does.

I guess you could argue that the demon in Flemth may allow her to posses another in the same way they usually do however, they usually don't bring the soul of the person with them from one body to the other so I don't think that that would be a reasonable explaination.

That assumes there's anything human left to Flemeth other than the shell.

I don't think the human that was Flemeth once long ago has been in control in any propensity for a very very long time.

[Jabraham002]

Personally, I don't think the soul is destroyed. The Archdemon's soul is destroyed only when combined with another real soul, darkspawn are empty husks. It may be different, but if the Archdemon's soul is destroyed along with the Grey Warden's, wouldn't that happen to Flemeth too, both souls destroyed?
On a similar note (probably should be on its own thread), but do you think Flemeth's "body jumping trick" was learned from a previous Archdemon in someway?

[Havokk7]

i think Flementh always says exactly what she thinks will manipulate the listener the most. Sometimes it will be the truth, sometimes not. About the only certainty about her is that she has her own agenda and she's very good at working toward it.

[Ahisgewaya]

Havokk7 wrote...

i think Flementh always says exactly what she thinks will manipulate the listener the most. Sometimes it will be the truth, sometimes not. About the only certainty about her is that she has her own agenda and she's very good at working toward it.

That's why whenever I speak to Flemeth in my playthrough I always try to give her as little information as possible, just to see what she says.

[draxynnus]

CybAnt1 wrote...

Morrigan will NEVER tell you the full story of what the DR is for ... you just have to accept it and that it will save your life (or someone else's). But you can find out getting pregnant by a GW was all part of Flemeth's plan from moment one. Why DOES Flemeth essentially set everything in motion for you to end the Blight if she's ... evil? 

Evil is not monolithic. She could be thoroughly corrupt and still have a preference that the world isn't overrun by the darkspawn - after all, she has to live in the world too.

krylo wrote...

The soul being destroyed is not prerequisite for Morrigan to, rightly, believe that her mother taking her body would be just that--TAKING her body, not sharing.

In some respects, it might be better if the soul WAS destroyed (or ejected) - as the alternative in this situation is to have a lifetime of watching someone else wear your body before disposing of it as a used-up husk.

[Sarah1281]

And we don't even know how long the bodies last. Flemeth looks really old in the game, but at some point Morrigan remembers her having black hair like hers and Morrian can't be older than thirty. Does Flemeth have to constantly create new daughters or can she tell when her body is going to start deterioating and gets a new one then?