jlb524 wrote...
Nothing extraordinary is going to happen for cheating. You might get a nasty email or something.The Governator wrote...
Tali is a great romantic option because she has been secretly pining for Shepard from the beginning. It seems apparent in the first game when she enthusiastically asks, 'Shepard, need something?!'
OMG! Tali says that to my Shepard too! I didn't know Tali liked the ladies.
Forsakerr wrote...
i don't really remember signing a contract with with either Ashley or Liara i rather see it as a one night stand and the way Ashley reacted on Horizon where she accused me of being a traitor well too bad, my Shep moved on and if she thinks it was cheating then i hope there is a renegade interrupt to pistol whip her this time even if I'm playing Paragon
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apotheosic wrote...
Tali on Liara catfight action.LadyPaine wrote...
Ray Joel Oh wrote...
Oh man I hope they throw down. Would be so danged awesome.
Definitely
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UsagiVindaloo wrote...
I really hope the consequences for "cheating" are different depending on which character you're cheating on. Liara, Ash and Kaiden all seem like they'd have very different responses to Shepard having sex with someone else.
For example, quite frankly, I don't think there should be any major consequences at all if you were with Liara. Consider the attitude most asari tend to take with relationships; that one should enjoy the time you have with them because sooner or later it will end (due to asari lifespan, lovers parting, etc). That attitude works either way for Liara no matter what you do; if you "cheat" but come back to her, she would see your "cheating" as a moment of mutual need and comfort to be cherished as a memory, and if you stay with the ME2 love interest she would probably think of the Ilos scene the same way. In addition, note her reactions and attitude during the three way confrontation in ME1. While Ash is jealous and Kaiden is somewhat defensive, Liara says things like, "I don't know much about humans, but I understand the concept of jealousy," indicating that it's not an asari attitude (she's referring to Ash/Kaiden, not herself). She shows no antagonism or possessiveness, and is more just upset that people are uncomfortable. Not to mention she doesn't indicate any distaste at the notion of a threesome! All of this makes me think that the consequences for "cheating" on Liara should, at most, be very minimum.
On the other extreme, I figure the consequences for cheating on Ash must be very severe. Look how hysterical and nasty she gets during the confrontation scene in ME1; she rips Liara's head off for even daring to have feelings for Shepard. Given her email in ME2, it seems like she somewhat expects the relationship to continue once the mission is over, even after her explosion on Horizon, so I imagine finding out that Shepard was unfaithful will be a big shock to her... and she'll probably blow her top. I could definitely see unfaithfulness locking out any hope of getting back with Ash again.
And then there's Kaiden... the wild card. Really not sure how he would respond to it, especially since he was just beginning to date again when you show up. Kaiden is generally pretty level headed and understanding, moreso than Ash, so I don't see him freaking out. He also seems honestly unsure of where the relationship will go (compared to Ash's email, his is much more vague), so I could see him not being too surprised if you end up moving on. On the other hand, he seems to be wounded somewhat easily, and while I don't think he'd be furious at Shepard, he would be hurt, and probably withdraw into his shell. His romance path in ME3 would probably involve much, much more dialogue and drawing him out if you'd cheated.
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Although I agree with you usually, I don't think it is their laziness that prevents these variations. I don't think anyone can really accuse Bioware of laziness. That being said it is likely ME3 will be dissapointingly consequence free as in all Bioware games.DarthCaine wrote...
^ I really doubt they'll be different 'cos that would mean too many variations and BioWare is too lazy for that. I expect a scene like in ME1
The Governator wrote...
jlb524 wrote...
Nothing extraordinary is going to happen for cheating. You might get a nasty email or something.The Governator wrote...
Tali is a great romantic option because she has been secretly pining for Shepard from the beginning. It seems apparent in the first game when she enthusiastically asks, 'Shepard, need something?!'
OMG! Tali says that to my Shepard too! I didn't know Tali liked the ladies.
OMG! Only one voice track was recorded!
jtav wrote...
Anyone care to speculate on what kind of cosequences cheating on your LI will have?
UsagiVindaloo wrote...
For example, quite frankly, I don't think there should be any major consequences at all if you were with Liara. Consider the attitude most asari tend to take with relationships; that one should enjoy the time you have with them because sooner or later it will end (due to asari lifespan, lovers parting, etc). That attitude works either way for Liara no matter what you do; if you "cheat" but come back to her, she would see your "cheating" as a moment of mutual need and comfort to be cherished as a memory, and if you stay with the ME2 love interest she would probably think of the Ilos scene the same way. In addition, note her reactions and attitude during the three way confrontation in ME1. While Ash is jealous and Kaiden is somewhat defensive, Liara says things like, "I don't know much about humans, but I understand the concept of jealousy," indicating that it's not an asari attitude (she's referring to Ash/Kaiden, not herself). She shows no antagonism or possessiveness, and is more just upset that people are uncomfortable. Not to mention she doesn't indicate any distaste at the notion of a threesome! All of this makes me think that the consequences for "cheating" on Liara should, at most, be very minimum.
Yeled wrote...
The Governator wrote...
jlb524 wrote...
Nothing extraordinary is going to happen for cheating. You might get a nasty email or something.The Governator wrote...
Tali is a great romantic option because she has been secretly pining for Shepard from the beginning. It seems apparent in the first game when she enthusiastically asks, 'Shepard, need something?!'
OMG! Tali says that to my Shepard too! I didn't know Tali liked the ladies.
OMG! Only one voice track was recorded!
Right, but Jib's point is that if that ME1 line is to be taken as showing interest from the beginning, then we must consider it indicitive of being interested in femshep from the beginning too. Much like how Tali, in ME2, shows an awful lot of interest in femshep before things abruptly end in favor of fixing engines.
Yes, its the same because they used the same dialogue for both shep genders. But does that mean they should be interpreted differently?
The Governator wrote...
Barquiel wrote...
The Governator wrote...
Tali is a great romantic option because she has been secretly pining for Shepard from the beginning. It seems apparent in the first game when she enthusiastically asks, 'Shepard, need something?!'
How is that relevant to the OPs question?
It isn't.
But...the consequences should be limited. I mean, Shepard is grievously insulted and then abandoned with a half-hearted apology through...EMAIL!? Lame!
I think that at worst you should have to choose, and even if you choose against the ME1 LI that person should take it like, 'well, I deserved that.'
The Governator wrote...
Yeled wrote...
The Governator wrote...
jlb524 wrote...
Nothing extraordinary is going to happen for cheating. You might get a nasty email or something.The Governator wrote...
Tali is a great romantic option because she has been secretly pining for Shepard from the beginning. It seems apparent in the first game when she enthusiastically asks, 'Shepard, need something?!'
OMG! Tali says that to my Shepard too! I didn't know Tali liked the ladies.
OMG! Only one voice track was recorded!
Right, but Jib's point is that if that ME1 line is to be taken as showing interest from the beginning, then we must consider it indicitive of being interested in femshep from the beginning too. Much like how Tali, in ME2, shows an awful lot of interest in femshep before things abruptly end in favor of fixing engines.
Yes, its the same because they used the same dialogue for both shep genders. But does that mean they should be interpreted differently?
The point was not lost on me. Of course I think jib's point was derisive.
They could be interpreted differently. I do not know if they left the enthusiasm in there because they were planning it and scrapped romance for Tali with Shepard in ME1, if they were forshadowing for ME2 or if it was just a good take on Liz Sroka's acting and they kept it for that alone. It's a stretch, I grant that, but it helps my immersion to interpret it that way.
The Governator wrote...
The point was not lost on me. Of course I think jib's point was derisive.
They could be interpreted differently. I do not know if they left the enthusiasm in there because they were planning it and scrapped romance for Tali with Shepard in ME1, if they were forshadowing for ME2 or if it was just a good take on Liz Sroka's acting and they kept it for that alone. It's a stretch, I grant that, but it helps my immersion to interpret it that way.
Pauravi wrote...
I don't know, it could be dire, especially with Liara.
She went through so much to bring Shepard back from the dead; if he abandons her after that, she may become consumed by her obsession. Maybe she would even become the new Shadow Broker and disappear from his life forever, instead of coming to terms with what happened and joining him.
I think it is pretty sad how quick people are to abandon someone who loves.
Nozybidaj wrote...
I actually agree with this. For it to have been considered cheating there would first have to of been a relationship. BW clearly cut those ties to the old relationship, it would hardly be fair of BW to come back in ME3 and try to implement some sort of harsh consequence for those who moved on.
At most the old LI should get their feelings hurt and move on completely, leaving Shep and their new LI to themselves. Only those folks who stayed "faithful" would have the choice to reunitie with the old LI. Creating some sort of "catfight" moment or gameplay consequence such as lack of a teammate or resoucrces would be an incredibly hard thing for BW to properly explain considering the ME1 LI portrayls in ME2.
Framing the entire thing as "cheating" though and trying to inflict some sort of punishment for that though would be a hard thing to sell since it was BW's choice after all not to include the old romances in the game.
Yeled wrote...
It would seem very artificial and contrived, yes. With Liara being the possible exception. In that case it was still Bioware's fault, but the onus to rekindle the relationship with Liara seemed to fall on Shepard, and BW didn't give the player the option to do anything on that front.
Leading to a Liara/Tali/Shepard 3 way FTW. Yes completely juvenile response here.UsagiVindaloo wrote...
I really hope the consequences for "cheating" are different depending on which character you're cheating on. Liara, Ash and Kaiden all seem like they'd have very different responses to Shepard having sex with someone else.
For example, quite frankly, I don't think there should be any major consequences at all if you were with Liara. Consider the attitude most asari tend to take with relationships; that one should enjoy the time you have with them because sooner or later it will end (due to asari lifespan, lovers parting, etc). That attitude works either way for Liara no matter what you do; if you "cheat" but come back to her, she would see your "cheating" as a moment of mutual need and comfort to be cherished as a memory, and if you stay with the ME2 love interest she would probably think of the Ilos scene the same way. In addition, note her reactions and attitude during the three way confrontation in ME1. While Ash is jealous and Kaiden is somewhat defensive, Liara says things like, "I don't know much about humans, but I understand the concept of jealousy," indicating that it's not an asari attitude (she's referring to Ash/Kaiden, not herself). She shows no antagonism or possessiveness, and is more just upset that people are uncomfortable. Not to mention she doesn't indicate any distaste at the notion of a threesome! All of this makes me think that the consequences for "cheating" on Liara should, at most, be very minimum.
On the other extreme, I figure the consequences for cheating on Ash must be very severe. Look how hysterical and nasty she gets during the confrontation scene in ME1; she rips Liara's head off for even daring to have feelings for Shepard. Given her email in ME2, it seems like she somewhat expects the relationship to continue once the mission is over, even after her explosion on Horizon, so I imagine finding out that Shepard was unfaithful will be a big shock to her... and she'll probably blow her top. I could definitely see unfaithfulness locking out any hope of getting back with Ash again.
And then there's Kaiden... the wild card. Really not sure how he would respond to it, especially since he was just beginning to date again when you show up. Kaiden is generally pretty level headed and understanding, moreso than Ash, so I don't see him freaking out. He also seems honestly unsure of where the relationship will go (compared to Ash's email, his is much more vague), so I could see him not being too surprised if you end up moving on. On the other hand, he seems to be wounded somewhat easily, and while I don't think he'd be furious at Shepard, he would be hurt, and probably withdraw into his shell. His romance path in ME3 would probably involve much, much more dialogue and drawing him out if you'd cheated.
ian528 wrote...
Leading to a Liara/Tali/Shepard 3 way FTW. Yes completely juvenile response here.
Darht Jayder wrote...
Kaiden vs. Thane catfight?Chaplin_M wrote...
ok 3 word: sexy cat fight
i know, but then everyone would end up in tears. and that would make me sad.Yeled wrote...
apotheosic wrote...
Tali on Liara catfight action.LadyPaine wrote...
Ray Joel Oh wrote...
Oh man I hope they throw down. Would be so danged awesome.
Definitely
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Its kind of hard for me to imagine Liara and Tali in a cat fight. Neither of them seem the type. If ME stays true to their characters I think its more likely you'd have hurt feelings and upset, not brawling.
Nozybidaj wrote...
BW clearly cut those ties to the old relationship, it would hardly be fair of BW to come back in ME3 and try to implement some sort of harsh consequence for those who moved on.
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