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[yoshibb]

Garrus and Tali can't die in Mass Effect --> Squadmates in Mass Effect 2



Oghren can't die unless you try really hard and go out of your way ---> Squadmate in Awakening



Had nothing to do with their fanbases. Until Bioware shows me something different, I'm not going to believe them.

[DarthCaine]

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

and why Garrus and Tali make it to the second squad.

...because they can't die?

Neither could Liara, and you could have never recruited Garrus in the first place.

Liara wasn't recruitable because the other ME1 LIs weren't and it would be unfair for people who romanced Ash/Kaidan

[ComTrav]

Barquiel wrote...

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

and why Garrus and Tali make it to the second squad.

...because they can't die?

Neither can Liara.

Does that make ME3 Shepard and Liara against the galaxy, with Tali, Garrus, et al showing up to ask you to hack some terminals?

[SumoFrog]

Gotta agree with Nozybidaj. Bioware is gonna do what works for the story they are trying to tell, not what makes the fans happier. That's why I love 'em.

[Barquiel]

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

and why Garrus and Tali make it to the second squad.

...because they can't die?

Neither could Liara, and you could have never recruited Garrus in the first place.

You are right, but he always survives ME1

Liara is saved for something important in ME3 (if we believe Casey Hudson)

[Ray Joel Oh]

DarthCaine wrote...

Liara wasn't recruitable because the other ME1 LIs weren't and it would be unfair for people who romanced Ash/Kaidan

It still doesn't provide any reason why they'd -have- to have been in ME2, except out of response to fan approval. 

[MassAffected]

CrookedAsylum wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

So, you're saying that Thane and Jack don't have large fan bases?
Last time I checked, Thane's Love Group was huge and a lot of people prefer Jack over Miranda

You don't see us...
But we're there...

Not gunna turn this into a Cure Thane post, promise, but I definitely support the notion of having all the LIs return as squaddies. People who stayed faithful with their ME LIs deserve it, and people who grew attached to the ME2 LIs don't deserve to get cut down in the final installment of the triology.

I'm with you on this 110%

[Nozybidaj]

MassAffected wrote...

CrookedAsylum wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

So, you're saying that Thane and Jack don't have large fan bases?
Last time I checked, Thane's Love Group was huge and a lot of people prefer Jack over Miranda

You don't see us...
But we're there...

Not gunna turn this into a Cure Thane post, promise, but I definitely support the notion of having all the LIs return as squaddies. People who stayed faithful with their ME LIs deserve it, and people who grew attached to the ME2 LIs don't deserve to get cut down in the final installment of the triology.

I'm with you on this 110%

Wow, where was all this support prior to ME2?  You  know there are actually a few of the ME2 crew I would like to see return but I would just be far too delighted to see the absolute breakdown of the forums once they start announcing "all new" squad mates as part of ME3?

[MarginalBeast]

SumoFrog wrote...

Gotta agree with Nozybidaj. Bioware is gonna do what works for the story they are trying to tell, not what makes the fans happier. That's why I love 'em.

I don't see how keeping the ME2 cast for ME3 would damage the story in any way. Some of the most interesting squadmates in the series aren't important to the overall plot at all.

[CrookedAsylum]

And hopefully it'll happen, MassAffected. I don't think it's that far-fetched, honestly. Tali and Garrus returned because people wanted them to. Crap, they even turned them into LIs because that's what the fans wanted.

I have faith that Bioware - Shut up, Firefox, Bioware is too a word! - can implement them into ME3 without screwing over the story.

[MassAffected]

The entire second game is about getting a team together, and at the end the Reapers are practically at your doorstep (or closer than they were in a looong time). It would make no sense to recruit an entire new team of heroes when Shepard already has the best of the best at his disposal. It would make more sense to keep the ME2 cast and let the LIs from the first game return as recruitable party members alongside them.

[CrookedAsylum]

Nozybidaj wrote...

but I would just be far too delighted to see the absolute breakdown of the forums once they start announcing "all new" squad mates as part of ME3?

I would cry. Like a little girl. And commit mass genocide against innocent gnomes everywhere.

Think of the gnomes, Bioware. Think of the gnomes.

[JeanLuc761]

CrookedAsylum wrote...
I have faith that Bioware - Shut up, Firefox, Bioware is too a word! - can implement them into ME3 without screwing over the story.

I don't think it's implementing them into the story that's a problem; it's that it's an awful lot of work to do for a character that may not even be alive.

That's why people are so worried that our squaddies in ME2 will be put into cameos.

[yoshibb]

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

Liara wasn't recruitable because the other ME1 LIs weren't and it would be unfair for people who romanced Ash/Kaidan

It still doesn't provide any reason why they'd -have- to have been in ME2, except out of response to fan approval. 

They did it so it feels like the first game actually mattered and they were easily implemented. Even if they were the most unpopular characters in the first, they'd still be put in the squad.

It's the same reason they just have little cameos and mini choices matter in ME2. They make it look like choices matter, but they really just went with the easiest path.

So if at this point, we've seen nothing but cameos from characters that can die and no real difference in storylines based on the choices you make, why should we think that the potentially dead squadmates in ME2 will have any sort of big role? 

[MassAffected]

Nozybidaj wrote...

MassAffected wrote...

CrookedAsylum wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

So, you're saying that Thane and Jack don't have large fan bases?
Last time I checked, Thane's Love Group was huge and a lot of people prefer Jack over Miranda

You don't see us...
But we're there...

Not gunna turn this into a Cure Thane post, promise, but I definitely support the notion of having all the LIs return as squaddies. People who stayed faithful with their ME LIs deserve it, and people who grew attached to the ME2 LIs don't deserve to get cut down in the final installment of the triology.

I'm with you on this 110%

Wow, where was all this support prior to ME2?  You  know there are actually a few of the ME2 crew I would like to see return but I would just be far too delighted to see the absolute breakdown of the forums once they start announcing "all new" squad mates as part of ME3?

I've been supportive of your Liara since I started posting here...before I never really did the forum thing. Also I attribute that last statement to your evil and hateful clone...

[Corporal Quarian]

I don't know why anyone would think your squadmates in ME2 will be reduced to cameos. It's not that hard to implement them all.



Solution: Have 12 possible character slots. Whoever lives fills those slots. Whoever dies leaves an empty slot.



Why is this so hard for people to understand?

[Nozybidaj]

MassAffected wrote...

The entire second game is about getting a team together, and at the end the Reapers are practically at your doorstep (or closer than they were in a looong time). It would make no sense to recruit an entire new team of heroes when Shepard already has the best of the best at his disposal. It would make more sense to keep the ME2 cast and let the LIs from the first game return as recruitable party members alongside them.

Can you not see how that exact same argument should have been applied to ME2?  /sigh

Just forget it, no one is willing to look past themselves here.  I will be laughing so hard in a year and a half or so once they start announcing all the "great but not prominent roles the ME2 cast will have in ME3".

[Ray Joel Oh]

I'm hoping every LI will be playable. And if you were a crappy player that killed everybody, then it's just you, Liara, and Ashley/Kaiden versus the rest of the galaxy with a whole lot of blank spaces in your recruitment screen.

[JeanLuc761]

Corporal Quarian wrote...

I don't know why anyone would think your squadmates in ME2 will be reduced to cameos. It's not that hard to implement them all.

Solution: Have 12 possible character slots. Whoever lives fills those slots. Whoever dies leaves an empty slot.

Why is this so hard for people to understand?

...It's surprising how practical that would be; punishment for the players who made stupid decisions at the end of ME2. 

[CrookedAsylum]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

I don't think it's implementing them into the story that's a problem; it's that it's an awful lot of work to do for a character that may not even be alive.

That's why people are so worried that our squaddies in ME2 will be put into cameos.

But the thing is, ME3 will be the final installment. I doubt too many people will complain about a long production time if everything came together smoothly in the end. But you have a very valid point, it's certainly something to worry about. Hence the reason for threads like this, I suppose.

[Nozybidaj]

Corporal Quarian wrote...

I don't know why anyone would think your squadmates in ME2 will be reduced to cameos. It's not that hard to implement them all.

Solution: Have 12 possible character slots. Whoever lives fills those slots. Whoever dies leaves an empty slot.

Why is this so hard for people to understand?

Development time, resources.  The more characters they are going to include the less resources and development available for the rest.

[MassAffected]

Nozybidaj wrote...

MassAffected wrote...

The entire second game is about getting a team together, and at the end the Reapers are practically at your doorstep (or closer than they were in a looong time). It would make no sense to recruit an entire new team of heroes when Shepard already has the best of the best at his disposal. It would make more sense to keep the ME2 cast and let the LIs from the first game return as recruitable party members alongside them.

Can you not see how that exact same argument should have been applied to ME2?  /sigh

Just forget it, no one is willing to look past themselves here.  I will be laughing so hard in a year and a half or so once they start announcing all the "great but not prominent roles the ME2 cast will have in ME3".

OK, then be a cynical hater...doesn't change my hopes for ME3 one bit.

[Ray Joel Oh]

Nozybidaj wrote...

MassAffected wrote...

The entire second game is about getting a team together, and at the end the Reapers are practically at your doorstep (or closer than they were in a looong time). It would make no sense to recruit an entire new team of heroes when Shepard already has the best of the best at his disposal. It would make more sense to keep the ME2 cast and let the LIs from the first game return as recruitable party members alongside them.

Can you not see how that exact same argument should have been applied to ME2?  /sigh

Just forget it, no one is willing to look past themselves here.  I will be laughing so hard in a year and a half or so once they start announcing all the "great but not prominent roles the ME2 cast will have in ME3".

Why?  I haven't seen anybody say they were happy that Ashley/Kaiden and Liara weren't recruitable.  So bitter.

[Corporal Quarian]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

Corporal Quarian wrote...

I don't know why anyone would think your squadmates in ME2 will be reduced to cameos. It's not that hard to implement them all.

Solution: Have 12 possible character slots. Whoever lives fills those slots. Whoever dies leaves an empty slot.

Why is this so hard for people to understand?

...It's surprising how practical that would be; punishment for the players who made stupid decisions at the end of ME2. 

Exactly. It would be a consequence for poor decision making and a reward for good choices.

[Ray Joel Oh]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Corporal Quarian wrote...

I don't know why anyone would think your squadmates in ME2 will be reduced to cameos. It's not that hard to implement them all.

Solution: Have 12 possible character slots. Whoever lives fills those slots. Whoever dies leaves an empty slot.

Why is this so hard for people to understand?

Development time, resources.  The more characters they are going to include the less resources and development available for the rest.

You'd have to have been really really bad to manage to kill everybody, though.  I think even half of the people could survive regardless of anything.