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[Knoll Argonar]

Axterix wrote...

AndroLeonidas wrote...

None of the other characters in ME1 have her knowledge of Protheans so it is incorrect to assume they woul dbe able to help you find the Ilos. None of the other characters can meld with you and help you to make sense of the beacons and their visions. So if you don't have liara... you don't beat saren. Period.

She doesn't display that much knowledge in the first game.  And the first chance we get to see her display it, what we get is Shepard saying in a couple of lines what she couldn't figure out in 60 years.  As for the melding to help you make sense, that isn't Liara, but rather the ashari who is now green.  She's the one that gives you what you need to make sense of the beacon.

Not saying she is or isn't the most important female character, but, well, her role in ME 1 really isn't that important.

If they do make her important for ME 3, I do hope they do a better job at characterization with her.  And don't expect us to buy another major character change...innocent archeoligist to top notch information dealer with a big information gathering network, who can kill her own assistant without it bothering her...all in 2 years?  I'm sorry, but no, not believable.

And in fact, since Shiala also had the Cipher, she could actually joined you and discovered Illos because, you know, she THINKS like a Prothean, knows their language, culture, locations, etc. Hell, I wanted her instead of Liara. More sexy, older and probably powerful. But I like ME2 Liara, don't shout at me!

Anyway, to defense Liara, I would say that she's a "top notch information dealer" in NOS ASTRA. That's it, a city, not a planet, system or anything. And an Asari world. She really doesn't have that many information, she just started.

Anyway back to the topic.

It's safe to say that at least in ME2 Tali is showed as the "main sister/gal" Shepard has, due to how are the missions she appears handled. She appears at the begining of the game, she has records that talk about Shepard in Haestrom (the only one that actually CARES for him once she meets her again) and, more importantly, she's in love with maleshep already since ME1, you don't have to "conquer" her. It's not the most important character in the series, but it's kinda obvious that she's "dev's baby" narratively speaking, at least in ME2.

In ME3, we'll see. My money is on "every character returns and is squaddie".

[Terror_K]

I'd say Liara for the following reasons:-



1) She can be a love interest for both genders.

2) She plays a key role in the original game.

3) She's the only main character who can't die.

4) Liara is the major character of the Redemption comics and is responsible for Shepard being brought back.

5) She has a fairly significant and personal role in ME2, moreso than the other original cast save for the two recruitables.

[Zulu_DFA]

Let's face it.



Tali sucks, even through her enviro-bucket.



And the main heroine is Gianna Parasini.

[Estelindis]

As Liara is the one party member who cannot die, and the only one to get a comic series, I'd have to say she's the main heroine (in a male Shep game; second to FemShep, otherwise!).

Modifié par Estelindis, 10 mars 2010 - 12:27 .

[JRCHOharry]

I agree with most here, its Liara, she contributes a lot to the story in Mass Effect 1 and without her you wouldn't have found the conduit. Tali just finds the evidence you need to prove Saren is guilty and take him out of the Spectres.

However I did find it terribly cute when Tali admits she is in love with you. D'aawwww.

[spacehamsterZH]

Rodriguer2000 wrote...

spacehamsterZH wrote...

I hope we're not being set up for some canonical love interest that we all have to end up with in the end. That would be uber-lame. If that DID happen, I'd say the chances for it being Liara are better because she's still alive in everyone's ME3, but I really hope this will be left up to us.

why you think we wont have a choice?<_<

OP seems to be implying that.

If we're talking about which female character will have the most impact on the plot in ME3 irrespective of romance, I'd have to go with Liara. It seems pretty likely that she's not a squaddie in ME2 to make sure she's alive in everyone's ME3. She's also kind of been set up as having become tougher and more mature in ME2.

Speaking of which, I really don't understand why some Liara fans are foaming at the mouth about ME2. If anything, they've elevated her from a starry-eyed little girl that was just standing around doting on Shepard to someone with spunk and determination, and she's literally the only major female character in the whole series that has been safe from death so far. And people feel like Bioware hasn't done right by the character?

[DarthCaine]

Like we didn't have enough crappy Tali threads ...

[SimonTheFrog]

@ Topic: why for male Shep?

My female Shep adores Tali... it's embarassing to watch sometimes (they should get a room).

[Cutlass Jack]

Wow after reading that title I was really impressed it wasn't a thinly disguised Liara thread. Not the usual route for a thinly disguised Tali thread. Of course most of those are anti-tali, but I digress.

But seriously it will be different for every game. And the only true 'main Heroine' is FemShep.

[Errol Dnamyx]

Tali behaves like a spectre groupie tbh. Every other female character is more important to Shepard than her tbh.

[SimonTheFrog]

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

Tali behaves like a spectre groupie tbh. Every other female character is more important to Shepard than her tbh.

Yeah... well... there's moral support 

We'll see what ME3 brings, but in ME2 her role was kinda limited to being cute...

[spacehamsterZH]

SimonTheFrog wrote...

We'll see what ME3 brings, but in ME2 her role was kinda limited to being cute...

She didn't have much of an impact on the main quest, but then neither did anyone else. I actually thought Tali was one of the most improved characters in ME2, she's actually interesting this time and you learn a lot about Quarian culture in her loyalty quest. In ME1 she just meandered between boring and annoying for me.

[Cutlass Jack]

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

Tali behaves like a spectre groupie tbh. Every other female character is more important to Shepard than her tbh.

Heh yeah. Like Shepard even would have been made a Spectre without her help. He'd have still been grounded at the Citadel if it weren't for her.

[Xandurpein]

I totally love Tali's character and Tali will definitely be the main LI for my Shepard in ME3. But if you look at the plot then I think Liara is the main heroine, regardless of whether Shepard returns her feelings or not. The only other possiblity is Ashley if she is alive.

[kraidy1117]

No, to me its Liara and Miri. Tali is like a little sister. Liara and Miri went throught hell to get Shepard back and revive him while Tali just went back to the fleet..... also Miri has DEM ******, DEM LIPS, DEM HIPS, DEM ASS, DEM LEGS I can go on and on. To you Tali might be the main heroine but I look at the characters that gave up alot to help Shepard and the universe and that goes to Liara and Miri.

[kraidy1117]

spacehamsterZH wrote...

SimonTheFrog wrote...

We'll see what ME3 brings, but in ME2 her role was kinda limited to being cute...

She didn't have much of an impact on the main quest, but then neither did anyone else. I actually thought Tali was one of the most improved characters in ME2, she's actually interesting this time and you learn a lot about Quarian culture in her loyalty quest. In ME1 she just meandered between boring and annoying for me.

Miranada did..........

[rumblefv]

There is no single main heroine in the story arc (not counting female Shephard). Every character with the exception of those left out of the suicide mission in ME2 were expendable. If any, it should be Shephard's mom. She gave birth to the universe's greatest hero. So when can we meet her??????

[kraidy1117]

rumblefv wrote...

There is no single main heroine in the story arc (not counting female Shephard). Every character with the exception of those left out of the suicide mission in ME2 were expendable. If any, it should be Shephard's mom. She gave birth to the universe's greatest hero. So when can we meet her??????

She is only alive or xsist in spacer origin.

[rumblefv]

kraidy1117 wrote...

rumblefv wrote...

There is no single main heroine in the story arc (not counting female Shephard). Every character with the exception of those left out of the suicide mission in ME2 were expendable. If any, it should be Shephard's mom. She gave birth to the universe's greatest hero. So when can we meet her??????

She is only alive or xsist in spacer origin.

Ah yeah. Forgot about that.

[superimposed]

Shepard's Mum exists in all origins, but in one she's dead and in the other disappeared.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Yeah, thankfully many have hit the nail on the head already: Though you wouldnt know it from her utterly crap ME2 role that was a complete embarrassment, Liara is the most important character in the trilogy other than Shepard. Far more important than Tali easily. The only reason Tali has even been suggested is because of her horde of fanboys, but face facts, she isnt that important.

The comic book has some massive flaws, but one definite strength is that without the events it depicts, there is no ME2, and no more Shepard.

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 10 mars 2010 - 01:38 .

[Barquiel]

kraidy1117 wrote...

spacehamsterZH wrote...

SimonTheFrog wrote...

We'll see what ME3 brings, but in ME2 her role was kinda limited to being cute...

She didn't have much of an impact on the main quest, but then neither did anyone else. I actually thought Tali was one of the most improved characters in ME2, she's actually interesting this time and you learn a lot about Quarian culture in her loyalty quest. In ME1 she just meandered between boring and annoying for me.

Miranada did..........

...and Mordin^_^

[kraidy1117]

Barquiel wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

spacehamsterZH wrote...

SimonTheFrog wrote...

We'll see what ME3 brings, but in ME2 her role was kinda limited to being cute...

She didn't have much of an impact on the main quest, but then neither did anyone else. I actually thought Tali was one of the most improved characters in ME2, she's actually interesting this time and you learn a lot about Quarian culture in her loyalty quest. In ME1 she just meandered between boring and annoying for me.

Miranada did..........

...and Mordin^_^

Mordin and Miridan where in my mind where the two most importent squadmates int he game. Without them you would not have even go to the Collector base.

[superimposed]

Well, to be honest you could do without Miranda. She was appointed overseer, but TIM had all the details and the project worked out. He would have revived you eventually, with or without Miranda.