superimposed wrote...
Well, to be honest you could do without Miranda. She was appointed overseer, but TIM had all the details and the project worked out. He would have revived you eventually, with or without Miranda.
kraidy1117 wrote...
superimposed wrote...
Well, to be honest you could do without Miranda. She was appointed overseer, but TIM had all the details and the project worked out. He would have revived you eventually, with or without Miranda.
Um it was thansk to Miranda that Wilson did not kill us at the start. Without her, Shepard would be dead, again.
That would just make her even more centric to the plot. If that were to happen there would abviously be a possibility for her to redeem herself and coming from the perspective of a main vilain would definitely seal her role as most prominent npc.varel1 wrote...
As I stated in a previous thread, I suspect that Bioware is setting the character of Liara up in the same mould as Aribeth in NWN, i.e. "good" being eventually corrupted by becoming obsessed with thoughts of revenge. So it is my suspicion that Liara survives ME2 to become "evil" in ME3.
There's only one thing Tali does in the series that is absolutely plot-crucial and that is the geth memory core part from the beginning of ME.crimsontotem wrote...
Many fans have debated about this topic for such a long time and it is still a one of hot issues. But juding by the flow of the storyline of the game... Let's face it... It's Tali.
Why? Here's evidence...
1. Tali has been with Shepard in every series (and most likely in the third one)
2. She was in 'love' with him ever since they met in the Citadel (thanks for the typo)
3. Unlike other heroines in any Mas Effect series... she is the only one who has a love scene theme song coming in when She and Shepard is sharing their feeling (not a sex scene)
4. Dat Ass...
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Modifié par Shavon, 10 mars 2010 - 02:18 .
FlintlockJazz wrote...
AndroLeonidas wrote...
Just out of curousity... did you play the first game. Your comments seem to imply that you did not.
Yes I did, but of course since I have a different perspective of a character I must not have amirite?
Liara is a plot device, not a leading character. And her help would have been worthless if you had not exposed Saren to begin with due to Tai's evidence. And for maleSheps they would never got the beacon message by accident if Ashley had not activated the beacon, rendering everything else inconsequential (if you are playing femShep then you are already playing the leading heroine). What Liara does to get Shep's body is background story and is really not important since its a throwaway line in the game that many people don't even get, and doesn't even fit in with many people's playthroughs regardless. Anderson plays a bigger role than her also, so no she is not the most important character outside of Shepard, and the Devs have also stated that Kaidan/Ash are also going to be important in ME3.
Plot Device =/= leading heroine. Hell, if we were to go by this logic then TiM is the leading hero, Aria should be classed as a main character, Wilson should be the main sidekick (he resurrected Shepard after all), etc.
Oh, and many people don't get told that Liara recovered their body, since its a choice that is apparently easily missed.
Modifié par GenericPlayer2, 10 mars 2010 - 02:27 .
Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...
Yeah, thankfully many have hit the nail on the head already: Though you wouldnt know it from her utterly crap ME2 role that was a complete embarrassment, Liara is the most important character in the trilogy other than Shepard. Far more important than Tali easily. The only reason Tali has even been suggested is because of her horde of fanboys, but face facts, she isnt that important.
The comic book has some massive flaws, but one definite strength is that without the events it depicts, there is no ME2, and no more Shepard.
I said "obviously a possibility for her to redeem herself" because she is a love interest with a considerable fanbase. Just imagine if she was turned into an unredeemable vilain and thus forcing an end on her romance subplot, what do you think the reaction among the players would be? Bioware aren't dumb enough to pull something like that considering that, just because of how popular femshep is, Liara might actually be the most romanced party member, and if not she is probably second behind Tali.varel1 wrote...
Why "obviously a possibility for her to redeem herself"?
In NWN it was not until the second expansion pack that you could redeem Aribeth, and even then it was only her ghost!
I would agree with you on the "most prominent npc", but that is somewhat different from "main heroine".
Modifié par St Mael, 10 mars 2010 - 02:34 .
Barquiel wrote...
kraidy1117 wrote...
Miranada did..........
...and Mordin^_^
spacehamsterZH wrote...
Barquiel wrote...
kraidy1117 wrote...
Miranada did..........
...and Mordin^_^
Well... yeah, okay, point taken about Mordin, but Miranda? She's in charge of the Lazarus Project, but I don't remember it ever being said that it was her idea, she just runs it on behalf of Cerberus... right?
superimposed wrote...
Again, the measurement is by their contribution to the progression of the story, not what you want to read in to it.
Liara, out of all the females, has contributed the most to that progression.
GenericPlayer2 wrote...
FlintlockJazz wrote...
AndroLeonidas wrote...
Just out of curousity... did you play the first game. Your comments seem to imply that you did not.
Yes I did, but of course since I have a different perspective of a character I must not have amirite?
Liara is a plot device, not a leading character. And her help would have been worthless if you had not exposed Saren to begin with due to Tai's evidence. And for maleSheps they would never got the beacon message by accident if Ashley had not activated the beacon, rendering everything else inconsequential (if you are playing femShep then you are already playing the leading heroine). What Liara does to get Shep's body is background story and is really not important since its a throwaway line in the game that many people don't even get, and doesn't even fit in with many people's playthroughs regardless. Anderson plays a bigger role than her also, so no she is not the most important character outside of Shepard, and the Devs have also stated that Kaidan/Ash are also going to be important in ME3.
Plot Device =/= leading heroine. Hell, if we were to go by this logic then TiM is the leading hero, Aria should be classed as a main character, Wilson should be the main sidekick (he resurrected Shepard after all), etc.
Oh, and many people don't get told that Liara recovered their body, since its a choice that is apparently easily missed.
I'm sorry but why is Liara's help in ME1 a plot device and Tali's isn't? In ME2 Liara is the one who gave your body to Cerberus, while Tali - well she is not important at all - you don't even have to recruit her. She even fails at keeping her squad under control at Freedom's Progress - which she paid the price for in my game by not getting Veetor.
You'd think if there were 'dire' consequences to her dying for ME3, the devs would have at least put her in the first 4 dossiers! You get TWO chances to for her to die, one is by being left on Haelstrom and the other is on the collector ship! This does not sound like a character that will be integral to ME3.
Its implied that Miranda has the right abilities to do the project and get the people and tech necessary to rebuild Shepard. Miranda was placed in charge of Project Lazarus and its whole goal was to find out if it was possible to bring back Shepard and to actually do it if possible. TIM did not have plans and project already worked out.superimposed wrote...
Well, to be honest you could do without Miranda. She was appointed overseer, but TIM had all the details and the project worked out. He would have revived you eventually, with or without Miranda.
Jebel Krong wrote...
superimposed wrote...
Again, the measurement is by their contribution to the progression of the story, not what you want to read in to it.
Liara, out of all the females, has contributed the most to that progression.
how? because she knew of ilos? tali had the evidence of saren being a traitor that kick-started your investigation. neither brought anything of substance to #2.
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