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[KainrycKarr]

Tali is my favorite non-Shepard character by far, but Liara is clearly who Bioware wants to be the main heroine.



She has an entire comic series dedicated to her, for eff's sake.



I just hope they won't shove all the other LI's to the ground and make Liara the only real "happy ending" LI in ME3.

[KainrycKarr]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Ashley if you didn't kill her on Virmir or Liara.
All other females AFAIK can be killed. So if Miranda, Tali, Jack, Samara can't even make it to ME3 then I don't see how they could be the heroine of the series.

So how could ashley be the main heroine? she is just as likely to be dead as anyone else. Liara is the ONLY option if that is the logic being used.

[Suron]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

superimposed wrote...

It's Liara, actually.
She's compulsory in the first ME and is intrumental in the resurrection of Shepard in 2, not to mention she's now at war with the Shadow Broker.

That makes sense.

this.  Sorry but don't be blinded by the fact you may like one person over another.

Liara and Shepard meet in ME1 and start off ackward....fall in love...defeat Saren and Soveriegn...ME2 comes along..she's there when Normandy is destroyed.  Servives and is the ONLY person that doesn't give up on Shepard....find out that Cerberus can bring him back so she goes in risking her OWN LIFE to get his body back...paving the way for his rebuilding....and is now focused on the Shadow Broker due to his wanting to give up Shepards body and killing of her friend....From a story standpoint she is the most involved and makes the most sense.

Tali did what? went back to the migrant fleet with a crush that was only let out in ME2 because of FAN SERVICE?  I like Tali too...actually she's a hard toss up between her and Liara...and Tali's romance was the best done in ME2 imo...however overall story wise...sorry no.

Miranda? HAH....she only comes to be in ME2 and is obviously the result of some pervert dev....your "romance" with her boils down to a college-style rage-**** in engineering for anyone to see....she did become more in-depth with her loyalty quest.but as a main "heroine" or "love" of the main character? no...

Jack...no comment...she's not even a consideration considering the others she's up against..not as a main love interest...

Ashley? HAH she gave up on you and downright insults you when you first meet again......now truth be told..she is, even though personally I can't stand her, only second to Liara in a choice as main "love."  due to her overall affect on the story.

[epoch_]

Knoll Argonar wrote...

Okey, I lied, I didn't go =P

But please, did I really say Tali Romance was more important than those? =/ I just said it's the first they shove in your face. More important? No. More present or noticeable? Hell yeah, Jack's f*cking difficult to get, but also very rewarding.

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Ok, I might owe you a bit of an apology. I think I misunderstood your angle. And for the record, I love tali. So don't think I was trying to beat up on your for that. In fact, if they write ash/kaidan off again like the did in ME2, she'll even be what I consider my canon LI again.

[Bann Duncan]

Nastrod wrote...

Sky Shadowing wrote...

Nastrod
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Nozybidaj wrote...

Wow, a new Liara hate
thread in disguise as a tali love thread that isn't part of the main
Tali love thread where it belongs. I understand Tali fan's are jealous
because Liara is as close to "canon" love interest as there is out of
all the LI's, but come on, really?

You guys got what you
wanted, Tali is a LI in ME2 and they even wrote Liara completely out of
the game to give it to you. Is it really necessary to rub it in
everyone's face?

That is another point. If Tali is SO VERY
important to the story why was she not a LI in ME1? Bioware never
considered her as a LI for ME1 and they have said it before but they
just did it for the fans. If Tali is the "main heroine " why did it take
fans asking for her to become a LI for it to happen? Bioware writes the
story so they know where it is headed and at first saw no reason for
her to be a love for Shep.


Then again Liara is the only LI
squad member that can be a LI for male or female Shepard so no matter
what she can be a part of Sheps story.

Not true.
Tali was intended to be  a LI but Bioware took her out because they
didn't think people would like romancing a girl with "chicken-feet".
They were terribly, terribly wrong and fixed their mistake in ME2.

I
can't remember where the proof is, but I'm sure somebody can be along
in a moment to supply it.

IMO, there is no "main heroine" of the
story. Liara has a minimal role in ME2, and she's the only squadmate
(INCLUDING Shepard) who is guaranteed to survive through to ME3 (though
we know Shepard's death isn't canon).

I see whoever the player
chooses as his "one true love" out of the 2 or 3 LIs (ME3 might
introduce a new one) in the game as being the "main heroine" in the
series.

In the end, let's face it- every one of them are cast
members, characters to be used by the story and dropped as fit. Liara
was not a part of the story in ME2, apart from a small appearance and a
few low missions. Ashley could be dead, and just has a cameo (with hints
of a major role to play in ME3 if she's a love interest). If she's the
LI, she's a heroine. It's up to the player to determine which one lives
and which one dies (I would be surprised if ME3 didn't allow every
possible squadmate to die).

Every character is equally important.
No character is MORE important.

In this interview they talk
about the the LI situation http://www.giantbomb...?podcast_id=138
it
is at the 24:00 mark. Tali was never ment to be a LI but with Liara
they knew from the start and she was designed that way.

*high
five* [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/cool.png[/smilie]

Go
get 'em! [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Wow, a new Liara hate thread in disguise as a tali love thread that isn't part of the main Tali love thread where it belongs. I understand Tali fan's are jealous because Liara is as close to "canon" love interest as there is out of all the LI's, but come on, really?

You guys got what you wanted, Tali is a LI in ME2 and they even wrote Liara completely out of the game to give it to you. Is it really necessary to rub it in everyone's face?

I agree. Liara is undoubtedly the most important character in the series after Shepard himself/herself. With her knowledge, it's not just right place, right time like Tali's is. By this I mean how Tali says after extracting the data that pretty much any Quarian could have done so, whereas Liara was the first Prothean history researcher to discover the patterns of extinction. Plus, Tali is one of the squadmates that you can refuse to let on your crew in ME.

I'm not really a Liaramancer either - I made my first Liara romanced Shepard a couple of days ago in a new ME run for ME2 after multiple playthroughs with Ashley simply to see where that storyline will go.

[epoch_]

Bann Duncan wrote...
 Plus, Tali is one of the squadmates that you can refuse to let on your crew in ME.

She's not actually. Udina makes you take her if you say no to her. The only good thing he ever did.

[Knoll Argonar]

epoch_ wrote...

Knoll Argonar wrote...

Okey, I lied, I didn't go =P

But please, did I really say Tali Romance was more important than those? =/ I just said it's the first they shove in your face. More important? No. More present or noticeable? Hell yeah, Jack's f*cking difficult to get, but also very rewarding.

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Ok, I might owe you a bit of an apology. I think I misunderstood your angle. And for the record, I love tali. So don't think I was trying to beat up on your for that. In fact, if they write ash/kaidan off again like the did in ME2, she'll even be what I consider my canon LI again.

Glad to see you understand my point. But please be carefull next time you tell someone that he's an idiot =P

Really, I think the only problem in this thread is the whole "heroine" word at the begining. Then people start whining because "no, Liara is more plot-related, she has the FORCE and never dies..." etc. Maybe the OP should have used some other expression instead.

And anyway, don't worry you'll see Ash/Kaidan as Squaddies in ME3 =P

[Bann Duncan]

epoch_ wrote...

Bann Duncan wrote...
 Plus, Tali is one of the squadmates that you can refuse to let on your crew in ME.

She's not actually. Udina makes you take her if you say no to her. The only good thing he ever did.

Thanks for pointing that out. I was mistaken, as I've never refused to take her (I quite like Tali - actually that's why I find her romance plot so creepy - to my Sheps, she's like a little sibling who they occasionally have to bail out of trouble)

[Raphael diSanto]

Oh yeah. I'm a confirmed Talimancer, but there's no doubt in my mind that Liara is Bioware's main gurl in this tv show.

My ParaShep's canon romance is Liara. (Paragade is Tali, Renegade is Jack)

Modifié par Raphael diSanto, 10 mars 2010 - 07:58 .

[GenericPlayer2]

I also wanted to point out that true heroes don't hide their faces. She could have gone with a transparent face plate on her mask but she didn't. What is she hiding?

Darth Vader, Jason, that chainsaw dude, and the list of masked villans go on. When a hero puts on a mask its temporary (e.g. Batman), but shifty and evil characters leave them on all the time. The only conclusion is that if you keep Tali alive, she will be revealed as an agent for the Reapers in ME3 . If you don't believe that then you haven't been paying attention to the game.

Modifié par GenericPlayer2, 10 mars 2010 - 08:06 .

[Sid66]

I would say that there are two main,heroines in the mass effect story they are Tali and Liara. Since Liara refuse to leave Shepard out there when the Alliance did, and gave shepard body to cerberus in the hope they could bring shepard back.



Tali because even though shepard was with cerberus and tali hates cerberus but she put her mistrust aside. And helped shepard anyway proveing that she has a good friend.



That my Tali is a love intesrt for a male shepard

[keegdarv1]

their is no "main" romance theyll all be treated pretty equal in ME3, each one at this point can be agrued as the "main" romance, theyll all have their story done and told in the last act, must likely theyll all be squadmates.



logic aside and that said, can someone explain Liara romance to me as it doesnt make sense to me, never ever saw her as someone that truely loved Shepard just saw her as someone that loved what Shepard was touched by.



oh and Tali people feel free to explain to me how you can romance Tali and not be creeped out or not feel like a selfish ass for taken advange of a girl with a crush on you and risking her life



am not hating on Liara or Tali just the way my mind sees it and cant find the logic in thier romances



to me if i had to pick a "main" romance for my Shepard I have to pick Ashley or Miranda, they both dont need Shepard in thier life they want Shepard in thier life, they are both strong enough to take care of themself and dont need a shoulder to cry on and are willing to stand up for themself and I believe that Shepard could only really fall in love with a strong women and both Ashley and Miranda fit that in my mind

[Onyx Jaguar]

I don't agree with this thread OP but I also strongly disagree that Liara is the most important NPC in the ME series. That is just smoke blown up your ass because she manages to survive both games. Hell her major role in ME was telling you where to go at the end and in ME 2 she has an awful cameo being ten kinds of useless.

[Onyx Jaguar]

People will project whatever they want on a given character, for some its Tali others Liara (and any other character). Saying one over the other is opinion not fact.

[keegdarv1]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

People will project whatever they want on a given character, for some its Tali others Liara (and any other character). Saying one over the other is opinion not fact.

So very true and thats all it will be until ME3 comes out

[eternalnightmare13]

You can complete the game without recruiting her.  If she were so important you'd have to pick her up.  She had an important part in ME1 albeit a small one.

crimsontotem wrote...

Many fans have debated about this topic for such a long time and it is still a one of hot issues. But juding by the flow of the storyline of the game... Let's face it... It's Tali.

Why? Here's evidence...

1. Tali has been with Shepard in every series (and most likely in the third one)

2. She was in 'love' with him ever since they met in the Citadel (thanks for the typo)

3. Unlike other heroines in any Mas Effect series... she is the only one who has a love scene theme song coming in when She and Shepard is sharing their feeling (not a sex scene)

4. Dat Ass...

[FlintlockJazz]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

People will project whatever they want on a given character, for some its Tali others Liara (and any other character). Saying one over the other is opinion not fact.

This.

End the thread now, there is nothing more that needs to be said.

[The Governator]

epoch_ wrote...

Bann Duncan wrote...
 Plus, Tali is one of the squadmates that you can refuse to let on your crew in ME.

She's not actually. Udina makes you take her if you say no to her. The only good thing he ever did.

Udina actually seems respectful to Tali and perhaps to Quarians in general (in that he does not deride them or sneer when he speaks of them).

[The Governator]

keegdarv1 wrote...



oh and Tali people feel free to explain to me how you can romance Tali and not be creeped out or not feel like a selfish ass for taken advange of a girl with a crush on you and risking her life

Shepard risks all their lives with many decisions.  Bringing them to war with the Collectors to stop attacks on human colonies is frought with danger.  He/she looks at the whole journey as a possible 'one way ride'.  If two or more people can place their trust in someone to risk their lives for war (though a good cause), why not accept that someone wants to risk her life to be with Shepard for love?  She clearly wants it (your love...stop it...) and seems overjoyed when you return her affections.  If she were going to die, why not let her die knowing love rather than die without that fulfillment.  I dunno, maybe it's the romantic in me, but life without love is no life at all.

[AM50]

Liara or Tali. They both have huge roles in the ME universe.

[Sky Shadowing]

FlintlockJazz wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

People will project whatever they want on a given character, for some its Tali others Liara (and any other character). Saying one over the other is opinion not fact.

This.

End the thread now, there is nothing more that needs to be said.

Agreed.

There are arguments for and against each side.

Arguing who is the main heroine of ME2 is like arguing who is the hero of Lord of the Rings, without having read Return of the King. Arguing it's Liara is like arguing it's Bilbo- very important in the first part (the Hobbit), but not nearly as important as in the trilogy (as Liara barely appears in ME2, only as a quest-giver). They're both guaranteed to survive through to the end (unless, of course, the Quest/Mission fails and everything is destroyed)(and, of course, we can't be sure in Liara's case).

Tali is not a good argument either, because her survival is not guaranteed. Some players will have her live all the way through to the end, while others will have her get shot or blown up. Now, for SOME people (myself and the other Talimancers) she will end up being the main heroine, because she'll survive.

I would say Joker is the closest thing we have to a "heroine", but in reality, he's more like Gandalf- very important, but not the focus of the story- in LotR. His survival is guaranteed through ME2.

You can't argue someone's a heroine on the basis of survival, because then technically somebody like, say, Faramir is the heroine of LotR- survives to the end, and plays an important part, but is not the hero/heroine.

I'd say we can't be sure until ME3 is over, but the fact of the matter remains- unless Bioware really screws the pooch, the player gets to determine who the "main heroine" is.

[The Unfallen]

In ME 2, even for a LI, she was just like "Oh wassup. Do some stuff for me." There wasn't any feeling behind her at all. Too robotic for my tastes.

[KnotEngaged]

There is no main heroine. All your arguments are for naught.