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[Siufu]

Sorry I am not a native English speaker. And I tried to look for the meanings of the terms Arl and Arling from online dictionary, but couldn't find it. Can anyone tell me what does they mean? Thanks.

[MutantSpleen]

I think its Ferelden's equivalent of Earl



I think a Teryn is equivalent to a Duke in European monarchies

[Fycan]

Siufu wrote...
Sorry I am not a native English speaker. And I tried to look for the meanings of the terms Arl and Arling from online dictionary, but couldn't find it. Can anyone tell me what does they mean? Thanks.

I too have trouble with this.

so is it like:
King = Barrack Osama
Arl = Governator
Teryn = well I dont even know :S

this is so confusing and do The Arls and the Teryns both get a vote in the Landsmeet? or just the Arls..

[FeelThePaint]

It seems to me that Arl is just slightly changed from the true words. In Norwegian by example, a Jarl was the highest title you could achieve in the nobility class. in English, the word Earl was a Count, as in "the Count of.... the Earl of..."



"Count Dracula" is an example of the word being used.



And in DA:O it would be "the Arl of Redcliffe"



this would only be my guess though

[Fycan]

oh and people Vote for Teryns

and the Teryns vote for Arls

and Arls vote for King



right?

[zeektan]

King= over all ruler

Arls= high ranking nobles with a land to rule over

Teryn=mayors? =))

[Dokarqt]

Teyrns are higher up in the hierarchy compared to Arls.

I believe the power chain is King-> Teyrns(only two, gwaren and highever)-> Arls-> Banns.

Banns=barons, Arls=Earls.

Modifié par Dokarqt, 10 mars 2010 - 12:47 .

[caradoc2000]

Q: What did Arl Eamon give a Grey Warden to drink?



A: Arl Grey Tea, of course...

[Slarth79]

Teryns are like Warlords, second only to royalty. Arls are given a piece of land of importance to run, that was too far away for the Teryn to administor.

So the food chain is Royalty>Teryns>Arls>Banns>Knight.

[Fycan]

Slarth79 wrote...
Teryns are like Warlords, second only to royalty. Arls are given a piece of land of importance to run, that was too far away for the Teryn to administor.
So the food chain is Royalty>Teryns>Arls>Banns>Knight.

Teryn must be a War-lord? meaning they have to achieve something great in battle?
what about the Banns, do they have Lands of their own as well?
.. and Knights? isn't that just a military rank with no importance?

caradoc2000 wrote...
Q: What did Arl Eamon give a Grey Warden to drink?
A: Arl Grey Tea, of course...

no get

[Fycan]

I honestly thought it's Arls then Teryns because Arl Eamon didn't seem to have any respect over a Human Noble Warden. Also, if the Teryns have of higher rank than Arls, they should be given a vote at the Landsmeet, but the Human Noble's brother wasn't given that chance.

[Welder0]

Fycan wrote...

Slarth79 wrote...
Teryns are like Warlords, second only to royalty. Arls are given a piece of land of importance to run, that was too far away for the Teryn to administor.
So the food chain is Royalty>Teryns>Arls>Banns>Knight.

Teryn must be a War-lord? meaning they have to achieve something great in battle?
what about the Banns, do they have Lands of their own as well?
.. and Knights? isn't that just a military rank with no importance?

caradoc2000 wrote...
Q: What did Arl Eamon give a Grey Warden to drink?
A: Arl Grey Tea, of course...

no get

Google Jean-Luc Picard - favorite tea...

[CybAnt1]

I find the language of Ferelden very interesting. Apparently, given the fact that there are quite a few women knights as well as men (unlike actual medieval Europe, where it was rarer, a la Joan of Arc), they seem to use the non-gender specific "ser" instead of "sir" for both males & females.



"Bann" in Old English is actually a pronounced summons to marry.



Oh just noticed: the Wiki also has an article on the culture of Ferelden which seems to answer this (veddy interesting):

http://dragonage.wik.../wiki/Fereldans



Many of Ferelden's titles have real world analogues. The title "Ser" is likely based on the real life English honorific "Sir," which is bestowed upon British knights. The title "Bann" is likely based on the real world title "Ban," meaning "lord" or "master," which was used in Hungary and certain Slavic kingdoms during the Middle Ages. The title "Arl" is most likely based on the real world British title "Earl," from the orignal Anglo-Saxon title. "Teyrn" is also an actual real world title, being the Welsh for "petty king", or "tyrant."



In terms of ranks of English nobility, it seems Ser = Sir, Bann = Baron, Arl = Earl, Teyrn = Duke, and King = King. A Baron would rule a Barony, an Earl would rule a Earldom, a Duke a Duchy, a King a Kingdom (and an Emperor an Empire.



[snip]



BTW, I do agree with those who see the historical analogy that the Tevinter Imperium is an analogue to our world's Roman Empire, and Ferelden is sort of like one of the many Dark Age kingdoms that arose after its collapse.



Indeed, if you want to take the position that Christianity helped cause the Roman Empire to collapse (after unifying it under Constantine), then I would say in that sense, yes, sorta, Andraste = Jesus. But maybe more a bit like Jesus + Spartacus.



I see a lot of Celtic flavor to Ferelden. A lot of people named "MacSo-and-so" and "Morrigan" was a Celtic (Irish) goddess. There's a definite Arthurian vibe to the mythos.

[MutantSpleen]

How many Teryns are there? I only counted 2 in DAO. Bryce Cousland and Loghain MacTir.



Why only 2 and what makes a Teryn greater than an Arl?

[Maria Caliban]

Fycan wrote...
Teryn must be a War-lord? meaning they have to achieve something great in battle?
what about the Banns, do they have Lands of their own as well?
.. and Knights? isn't that just a military rank with no importance?

No, they don’t have to achieve something great in battle, but Ferelden is a warrior culture and the arls and banns do fight among one another. A teryn with no military aptitude would not be able to hold power.

Yes, banns have their own land.

Fycan wrote...

I honestly thought it's Arls then Teryns because Arl Eamon didn't seem to have any respect over a Human Noble Warden. Also, if the Teryns have of higher rank than Arls, they should be given a vote at the Landsmeet, but the Human Noble's brother wasn't given that chance.

That would be because at the time of the landsmeet, the Couslands did not have Highever. Remember? Loghain gave it to Howe, and on his death it would pass to his heir.

[Slarth79]

Fycan wrote...

Slarth79 wrote...
Teryns are like Warlords, second only to royalty. Arls are given a piece of land of importance to run, that was too far away for the Teryn to administor.
So the food chain is Royalty>Teryns>Arls>Banns>Knight.

Teryn must be a War-lord? meaning they have to achieve something great in battle?
what about the Banns, do they have Lands of their own as well?
.. and Knights? isn't that just a military rank with no importance?

caradoc2000 wrote...
Q: What did Arl Eamon give a Grey Warden to drink?
A: Arl Grey Tea, of course...

no get

Banns do have lands although they vary in size. They swear to supply the Teryn with troops in times of war (the Teryn swears the same to the king), where as knights have very little political power they do own land as well (albeit not a lot.)

@Fycan - There was no Teryn at that point as Rendon Howe had the title, just before he died at the landsmeet. loghain is the only other Teryn.

There is only 2 Teryns - Teryn of Highever & Teryn of Gwaren (but Denerim is also considered a Teryn but is ruled by Royalty who appoint an Arl to run it for them)

[Maria Caliban]

MutantSpleen wrote...



How many Teryns are there? I only counted 2 in DAO. Bryce Cousland and Loghain MacTir.



Why only 2 and what makes a Teryn greater than an Arl?

"Teyrns arose from among the banns, war leaders who, in antiquity, had grown powerful enough to move other banns to swear fealty to them. There were many of these in the days before King Calenhad, but he succeeded in whittling them down to only two: Gwaren in the south and Highever in the north. These teyrns still hold the oaths of banns and arls. They may call upon them in the event of war or disaster and they are responsible for defending those sworn to them. "

[Super_Cat]

An Arl is like a noble person. And Arlings is what you call their babies.

[Evolution33]

I wonder also if it is like Western culture in the fact that to be considered free someone must own land. We hear a lot of how the elves aren't truly free, but their condition does not seem that much better than the peasants in Lothering. The elves may just be the Irish of Ferelden with the human peasants not really living any better than them but they can make themselves feel better by saying, "At least i'm not an elf." Also do the Arls of each city own the land in the Alienage are in fact some elves land owners and therefore somewhat more free than a human peasant.

[CybAnt1]

The more I think about it, the situation of the elves seems to remind me of Native Americans in the U.S. in the 19th century.



The Dalish are the ones that refuse to live on reservations, and thus will continue to live their life in the wilds, even though this brings them into constant conflict with the humans who consider them inferior (and would rather they settle down in one place).



The City (Alienage) Elves are kind of like Native Americans who have moved to urban cities ... and thus live lives of poverty & second-class status.



I can't think of a good real world analogy for the Dwarven culture, of course there probably couldn't be one.



People have said the Qunari are like the Ottomans -- I think I can see that.

[MutantSpleen]

Maria Caliban wrote...

MutantSpleen wrote...

How many Teryns are there? I only counted 2 in DAO. Bryce Cousland and Loghain MacTir.

Why only 2 and what makes a Teryn greater than an Arl?

"Teyrns arose from among the banns, war leaders who, in antiquity, had grown powerful enough to move other banns to swear fealty to them. There were many of these in the days before King Calenhad, but he succeeded in whittling them down to only two: Gwaren in the south and Highever in the north. These teyrns still hold the oaths of banns and arls. They may call upon them in the event of war or disaster and they are responsible for defending those sworn to them. "

Thanks Maria.

Must have been one of the codex entries I missed.

There is so much lore in this game. :happy:

It looks like a monarch would not like the idea of Teryns as they could pose a real threat to his power. They are leaders who have their own banns and arls sworn to them instead of the King. I can see why Loghain was so powerful.  So was Howe an Arl sworn to Bryce Cousland?

[edeheusch]

The answer is in the CODEX:

Politics of Ferelden
Category: Culture and History
Number:     118 (+5WK)
Location:     Unlocked when entering the Gnawed Noble Tavern in Denerim Market District

To our neighbors, Ferelden seems utterly chaotic. Unlike other monarchies, power does not descend from our throne. Rather, it rises from the support of the freeholders.


Each freehold chooses the bann or arl to whom it pays allegiance. Typically, this choice is based on proximity of the freehold to the lord's castle, as it's worthless to pay for the upkeep of soldiers who will arrive at your land too late to defend it. For the most part, each generation of freeholders casts its lot with the same bann as their fathers did, but things can and do change. No formal oaths are sworn, and it is not unheard of, especially in the prickly central Bannorn, for banns to court freeholders away from their neighbors--a practice which inevitably begets feuds that last for ages.


Teyrns arose from amongst the banns, warleaders who, in antiquity, had grown powerful enough to move other banns to swear fealty to them. There were many teyrns in the days before King Calenhad, but he succeeded in whittling them down to only two: Gwaren in the south, Highever in the north. These teyrns still hold the oaths of banns and arls who they may call upon in the event of war or disaster, and similarly, the teyrns still hold responsibility for defending those sworn to them.


The arls were established by the teyrns, given command of strategic fortresses that could not be overseen by the teyrns themselves. Unlike the teyrns, the arls have no banns sworn to them, and are simply somewhat more prestigious banns.


The king is, in essence, the most powerful of the teyrns. Although Denerim was originally the teyrnir of the king, it has since been reduced to an arling, as the king's domain is now all of Ferelden. But even the king's power must come from the banns.


Nowhere is this more evident than during the Landsmeet, an annual council for which all the nobles of Ferelden gather, held for almost three thousand years except odd interruptions during Blights and invasions. The sight of a king asking for--and working to win--the support of "lesser" men is a source of constant wonder to foreign ambassadors.

--From Ferelden: Folklore and History, by Sister Petrine, Chantry scholar

Source.

Modifié par edeheusch, 10 mars 2010 - 01:56 .

[Loc'n'lol]

MutantSpleen wrote...

 So was Howe an Arl sworn to Bryce Cousland?

Technically, yes, but we all know how that turned out.

[kraidy1117]

MutantSpleen wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

MutantSpleen wrote...

How many Teryns are there? I only counted 2 in DAO. Bryce Cousland and Loghain MacTir.

Why only 2 and what makes a Teryn greater than an Arl?

"Teyrns arose from among the banns, war leaders who, in antiquity, had grown powerful enough to move other banns to swear fealty to them. There were many of these in the days before King Calenhad, but he succeeded in whittling them down to only two: Gwaren in the south and Highever in the north. These teyrns still hold the oaths of banns and arls. They may call upon them in the event of war or disaster and they are responsible for defending those sworn to them. "

Thanks Maria.

Must have been one of the codex entries I missed.

There is so much lore in this game. :happy:

It looks like a monarch would not like the idea of Teryns as they could pose a real threat to his power. They are leaders who have their own banns and arls sworn to them instead of the King. I can see why Loghain was so powerful.  So was Howe an Arl sworn to Bryce Cousland?

Yes, Bryce was the ruler of Highever and controled all the land there. The Banns and Arls gor permission from him to own seperate parts of it. Hows own Amerthine (spelling?) However some Arls like Eamon do own alot of stuff too. Eamon owns alot of the land in the south, as Teagan tells us.

[Nhadalie]

The main reason Arl Eamon has so much power for an Arl is because of where Redcliffe is. Someone mentions that Redcliffe is in the middle of an important trade route. Making whoever owns the land a bit more powerful than other Arls.

Everyone has pretty much covered it pretty well. There's the King/Queen, then the Teryns are just below them. The Arls are just below the Teryns, and the Banns are just below the Arls. And knights and other people sworn into any of their services are just below the Banns.

I'm assuming that Teryns control large parts of Fereldan, and they appoint the Arls over certain sections of it. The Arls further appoint Banns to look over parts of their lands. Though in most cases, it's less of appointing them, and more of inheriting/family tradition.