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[ArcanistLibram]

Banns elect teyrns.

Teyrns appoint arls.

[sparkxl]

Super_Cat wrote...

An Arl is like a noble person. And Arlings is what you call their babies.

I thought an arling was the wife of an arl?

[LadyDamodred]

At this point in Ferelden culture, Banns do not elects Teyrns. The teyrnirs have long been decided and are hereditary positions. The same holds true for all the arlings and the bannorn as well. People have already posted snippets from the wiki explaining this. Basically, the ranking nobility goes King -> Teyrn -> Arl -> Bann. As for why your HN character doesn't get a vote at the Landsmeet, remember your family had been stripped of its land and titles, and they were given to Howe. They are restored to Fergus at the end of the game.



As far as Ferelden culture goes, this is from the wiki:

"Ferelden is loosely based on the real-world medieval England. Human characters from Ferelden speak with a distinctive English accent. More specifically, Ferelden seems to be based on the culture of the Anglo-Saxons, with some Norse influence as well. Like medieval England, Ferelden was conquered by a neighbor (namely Orlais), however they managed to thrust out the Orlesians after eighty years. Ferelden is essentially what England would have been like if the Saxons had ousted their Norman conquerors in around AD 1200, a few generations after conquest, like Ferelden repelled Orlais. The developers have specifically compared Ferelden to England in "AD 1200" for this reason."



http://dragonage.wik...m/wiki/Ferelden



Use the wiki. It is your friend. http://dragonage.wik...Dragon_Age_Wiki

[Gabey5]

Teryn holds the big chunks of land and within those lands arl holds smaller chunks under the teryn

[npbh]

sparkxl wrote...

Super_Cat wrote...

An Arl is like a noble person. And Arlings is what you call their babies.

I thought an arling was the wife of an arl?

as far as i know an "arling" is the land the arl owns.

Which seems to be the correct meaning   As can be read from this  part of the codex entry posted earlier in the thread:

The king is, in essence, the most powerful of the teyrns. Although
Denerim was originally the teyrnir of the king, it has since been
reduced to an arling, as the king's domain is now all of Ferelden. But
even the king's power must come from the banns.

Modifié par npbh, 10 mars 2010 - 04:19 .

[L33tuberpwner]

King=King

Teyrn=Duke

Arl=Earl

Bann=baron

Freeholder=Yeoman

[Dokarqt]

sparkxl wrote...

I thought an arling was the wife of an arl?

That would be an arlessa.

[Vim]

Nhadalie wrote...

The main reason Arl Eamon has so much power for an Arl is because of where Redcliffe is. Someone mentions that Redcliffe is in the middle of an important trade route. Making whoever owns the land a bit more powerful than other Arls.

Everyone has pretty much covered it pretty well. There's the King/Queen, then the Teryns are just below them. The Arls are just below the Teryns, and the Banns are just below the Arls. And knights and other people sworn into any of their services are just below the Banns.

I'm assuming that Teryns control large parts of Fereldan, and they appoint the Arls over certain sections of it. The Arls further appoint Banns to look over parts of their lands. Though in most cases, it's less of appointing them, and more of inheriting/family tradition.

Mostly correct.  The King & the two remaining Teryns can appoint Arls & Banns, but Arls can not appoint Banns. As per the codex entry which edeheusch was kind enough to post:

The arls were established by the teyrns, given command of strategic fortresses that could not be overseen by the teyrns themselves.Unlike the teyrns, the arls have no banns sworn to them, and are simply somewhat more prestigious banns.

So arls aren't exactly like earls in our own world.  English earls did have barons sworn to them. Fereldan arls on the other hand seem to be just particularly prestigious banns who have command of a strategic fortress.

Modifié par Vim, 10 mars 2010 - 04:51 .

[Siufu]

npbh wrote...

sparkxl wrote...

Super_Cat wrote...

An Arl is like a noble person. And Arlings is what you call their babies.

I thought an arling was the wife of an arl?

as far as i know an "arling" is the land the arl owns.

Which seems to be the correct meaning   As can be read from this  part of the codex entry posted earlier in the thread:

The king is, in essence, the most powerful of the teyrns. Although
Denerim was originally the teyrnir of the king, it has since been
reduced to an arling, as the king's domain is now all of Ferelden. But
even the king's power must come from the banns.

So arling is like province? Actually I have this question when I am reading the description of Vigil's Keep:
"Amaranthine was the first of the Fereldan arlings to fall to the
Orlesian occupation. As the port city burned, its ruling family, the
Howes, fled to the countryside to wage a guerrilla war against the
invaders that lasted for generations. No matter how enormous of a
bounty the Orlesians promised, they could not rid themselves of the
wily Howes and their ever-growing number of sympathizers.
The Howes chose the ancient fortress of Vigil's Keep as their primary
base of operations, hiding the entire rebellion within the vast complex
of storage rooms and caves beneath "The Vigil" -- right underneath the
noses of their oppressors. When the Orlesians were finally ousted, it
was at Vigil's Keep that the flag of Amaranthine was first raised
again, amidst cheers of victory. Vigil's Keep became the new home of
the Howes.
But after years of faithful service to the kingdom, Arl Rendon Howe's
ambition brought about his death and his family's ruin. Now Vigil's
Keep and the arling of Amaranthine belong to the Grey Wardens.
The walls of the Vigil have been manned since the time of the Avvar
barbarians. The griffon banner is only the most recent in a long chain.
How long will the Wardens' colors fly?"

Thanks.

[Suicider_11]

why does amaranthine have a city and redcliffe doesn't? or am i wrong?

[Alikain]

Suicider_11 wrote...

why does amaranthine have a city and redcliffe doesn't? or am i wrong?

My guess is redcliffe have a city too but we never saw it. the reason for saying that is there are only four Arling in the whole of Ferelden. these been the Arling of Amaranthine, Arling of Redcliffe, Arling of Westhills and Arling of Southreach.

Modifié par Alikain, 11 avril 2010 - 07:10 .

[Loc'n'lol]

Most likely because Amaranthine has a trading port and Redcliffe is of no particular interest to major trade routes. If I remember correctly Gwaren has no cities either and it's still a Teyrnir.

[Hayes1987]

So I've spent the last hour and a half reading these posts and the wiki. And I am now left with only one question. It's been made clear that arls do not have the banns sworn to them but if that is true why must the assorted banns and such swear fealty to the new arl of Amaranthine?

[Emerald Melios]

Suicider_11 wrote...

why does amaranthine have a city and redcliffe doesn't? or am i wrong?

Redcliffe mostly has a village at a mountain pass. Amaranthine was originally a small fishing village before it became a major port city.

[KJandrew]

Alikain wrote...

Suicider_11 wrote...

why does amaranthine have a city and redcliffe doesn't? or am i wrong?

My guess is redcliffe have a city too but we never saw it. the reason for saying that is there are only four Arling in the whole of Ferelden. these been the Arling of Amaranthine, Arling of Redcliffe, Arling of Westhills and Arling of Southreach.

No there is FIVE KNOWN Arlings, you missed out Denerim but there is certinatly more these are just the ones that have been named. as to the Redcliffe having a city thing, as far as i'm aware it's just the village the thing that makes an Arling is the fact that it has a large castle which both Amaranthine and Redcliffe have and both had villages it's just Amaranthine grew under the Orleasian occupation while redcliffe stayed small.

Modifié par KJandrew, 11 avril 2010 - 09:18 .

[Alikain]

KJandrew wrote...

Alikain wrote...

Suicider_11 wrote...

why does amaranthine have a city and redcliffe doesn't? or am i wrong?

My guess is redcliffe have a city too but we never saw it. the reason for saying that is there are only four Arling in the whole of Ferelden. these been the Arling of Amaranthine, Arling of Redcliffe, Arling of Westhills and Arling of Southreach.

No there is FIVE KNOWN Arlings, you missed out Denerim but there is certinatly more these are just the ones that have been named. as to the Redcliffe having a city thing, as far as i'm aware it's just the village the thing that makes an Arling is the fact that it has a large castle which both Amaranthine and Redcliffe have and both had villages it's just Amaranthine grew under the Orleasian occupation while redcliffe stayed small.

You are right about  Amaranthine under Orleasian occupation and that why the city was build. the truth about the arling if i understand it right are strategic fortresses that a teyrns could not oversee themselves.

The reason i didn't i too Denerim out is because it the capital of Ferelden and i wouldn't call it an arling.

[Poleaxe]

Hayes1987 wrote...

So I've spent the last hour and a half reading these posts and the wiki. And I am now left with only one question. It's been made clear that arls do not have the banns sworn to them but if that is true why must the assorted banns and such swear fealty to the new arl of Amaranthine?

Because it's very difficult to make consistant lore.

[Hayes1987]

Yes I suppose your right Poleaxe.

[Rallas1292]

As of Origins there are 5 Arlings that are known but I would remove the Arling of Amaranthine upon Awakening as it is under Grey Warden control and despite the breaking of the rules the Grey Wardens are supposed to remain independent of politics. Amaranthine is such a big city compared to Redcliffe for multiple reasons. First of all upon Orlesian occupation they built up docks to improve trade and transport chevaliers. The second reason is Amaranthine was the capital of Orlesian Ferelden.

Redcliffe was more of a military outpost established by one of the now defunct Teryns.(Judging by location it may even possibly be Highever.) that's why the town never grew to the size Amaranthine grew too.

Denerim used to be a Teryn until Calenhad unified the kingdom upon which it was reduced to an arling as the king's territory was the whole kingdom.

This is a guess but the possibilities for the reason of the banns swearing loyalty to the Wardens can be 

A. In the case of the Human Noble you could have became Teryn of Highever(Instead of Fergus or you married Anora or Alistair making them obviously forced to swear fealty.)

B. Perhaps the banns are supposed to swear loyalty to the Wardens as they own their territory.

C. It was just a slip up by bioware.

Modifié par Rallas1292, 12 avril 2010 - 04:21 .

[KJandrew]

Alikain wrote...

KJandrew wrote...

Alikain wrote...

Suicider_11 wrote...

why does amaranthine have a city and redcliffe doesn't? or am i wrong?

My guess is redcliffe have a city too but we never saw it. the reason for saying that is there are only four Arling in the whole of Ferelden. these been the Arling of Amaranthine, Arling of Redcliffe, Arling of Westhills and Arling of Southreach.

No there is FIVE KNOWN Arlings, you missed out Denerim but there is certinatly more these are just the ones that have been named. as to the Redcliffe having a city thing, as far as i'm aware it's just the village the thing that makes an Arling is the fact that it has a large castle which both Amaranthine and Redcliffe have and both had villages it's just Amaranthine grew under the Orleasian occupation while redcliffe stayed small.

You are right about  Amaranthine under Orleasian occupation and that why the city was build. the truth about the arling if i understand it right are strategic fortresses that a teyrns could not oversee themselves.

The reason i didn't i too Denerim out is because it the capital of Ferelden and i wouldn't call it an arling.

Denerim is considered an Arling hence why Howe describes himself as "Teyrn of Highever and Arl of Amaranthine and Denerim" and why in the City Elf Origin Vaughan is described as the Arl's son

[jsachun]

Modern Day Equivalent in Republican Government.



King = President.

Teryn = A governor or a senate who is a leader of a political party.

Earl = A state Govenor or a senate

Bann = Mayors

Landsmeet = Senate or the house of representatives.