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[cruc1al]

Hi there.

I wanted to find out how the sniper rifles in the game compare when taking out the armor of a heavy mech.

class: Infiltrator (no passive class skill bonuses).
Difficulty: Insanity.
Location: "Retrieve smuggled cargo" side mission.

I did the tests for both body shots and head shots. You'll also see the new heavy weapon in action - three shots and the shields are down

So, without further ado:

Sniper Rifle Anti-Armor Damage Comparison (HD)

Enjoy

Modifié par cruc1al, 12 mars 2010 - 11:32 .

[Kalec Stromhir]

Well done on this video. Fun to watch and good info too.

[_Dannok1234]

Thats a really great and informative video, keep it up. Wouldn't be a bad place to compare the other weapons that.

[Occams Razor 17]

Nice job minimizing variables. I was surprised at how effective the Viper was. Guess I dismissed it too quickly after seeing its inability to 1-hit KO.

Modifié par Occams Razor 17, 10 mars 2010 - 07:58 .

[ScroguBlitzen]

This is exactly why I take the Viper on my Vanguard. If ammo is no issue, nothing kills faster. (The video shows Widow slightly faster, but you miss a couple headshots with the Viper).

I really recommend the Viper for most any class as an advanced training weapon.

Good job on the video btw.

Modifié par ScroguBlitzen, 10 mars 2010 - 07:57 .

[cruc1al]

ScroguBlitzen wrote...

This is exactly why I take the Viper on my Vanguard. If ammo is no issue, nothing kills faster. (The video shows Widow slightly faster, but you miss a couple headshots with the Viper).

I really recommend the Viper for most any class as an advanced training weapon.

Good job on the video btw.

Thanks.

The viper is indeed great, but it's still not the best for Infiltrator, as it's easy to miss headshots with the viper. I've noticed another excellent function of the viper: crowd control. If you see many enemies close to each other, just spam the viper on them, changing target every one or two shots, and they won't be able to advance at all because of the impacts. Meanwhile, you'll strip the targets of shields or armor.

[cruc1al]

Dannok1234 wrote...

Thats a really great and informative video, keep it up. Wouldn't be a bad place to compare the other weapons that.

ty.

I have no particular reason to assume that either an assault rifle or a heavy pistol would top the sniper rifle at that distance, so I didn't include them in that video. But I will do a video later comparing the Carnifex and Predator to the Vindicator, just to see what the effect is for classes that can't get the sniper rifle until later in the game or choose to pick the assault rifle or shotgun skill instead. I might also include the Revenant. Another thing I might do is move closer to the mech and see how the damage done changes as accuracy and damage multiplier increase; after all, with assault rifles you're supposed to get as close as is convenient, rather than staying at a distance where the sniper rifle would be more effective.

I've also done an anti-armor damage comparison of Carnifex vs. Tempest as a response to claims that the Tempest is more useful against armor at close range. See my sig.

[ScroguBlitzen]

True. The Widow is the weapon for an Infiltrator. There is nothing like one shot, one kill.

For other classes though, the Viper is an excellent backup weapon especially since you don't have to be conservative with ammo... you can use it as a get out of jail free card.

Alternating on nearby enemies is great with the Viper, it's especially challenging to try and alternate headshots. Works pretty well because of the knockback animation... shoot one in the head, he gets knocked back, shoot another in the head and then by the time you get back to the first he's recovered and is back where he started from.

[_Dannok1234]

I already watched that first one, it was very good, think videos showing off different weapons might be very informative to a lot of people, who aren't sure of which is the best.

[sinosleep]

Hell yes. I've been a strong advocate of picking up the viper on vanguards but have only really showcased it in 1 or 2 vids since most of my stuff is charge and shotgun centric. The viper is hell of a weapon and if you aren't taking the claymore it does a damned good job of shoring up the vanguard's ranged combat when charge isn't available or isn't an option.

Modifié par sinosleep, 10 mars 2010 - 08:34 .

[Average Gatsby]

This video pisses me off more than anything.



Bioware, I own the incisor. Come on! Seriously?

[Lycidas]

sinosleep wrote...

Hell yes. I've been a strong advocate of picking up the viper on vanguards but have only really showcased it in 1 or 2 vids since most of my stuff is charge and shotgun centric. The viper is hell of a weapon and if you aren't taking the claymore it does a damned good job of shoring up the vanguard's ranged combat when charge isn't available or isn't an option.

Has anyone ever denied that having the Viper is helping is some situations? It's just that it makes you feel like a sissy for bringing a sniper rifle as a Vanguard

[Arhka]

Surprised that the Viper is that good. I wonder if Mantis/Widow would get faster with the reload trick. But then again, reload trick for sniper rifles is only good on large enemies like the Thresher Maw or the Human-Reaper.

[cruc1al]

Arhka wrote...

Surprised that the Viper is that good. I wonder if Mantis/Widow would get faster with the reload trick. But then again, reload trick for sniper rifles is only good on large enemies like the Thresher Maw or the Human-Reaper.

Is that some sort of glitch?

[Grand_Commander13]

So, the rapid firing Viper is better than the Mantis for DPS? Rly? ;-)

Now measure the time taken to kill a three enemies that only take two Mantis headshots to kill, see how much different the times are. Burst damage still has its uses in real world DPS.

Excellent comparison though. I prefer the safety of the Mantis myself, but that Viper is a terror.

[GiroX-]

Good video. I enjoyed it. You should do something like that again, but against shields and some how barriers.

[cruc1al]

GiroX- wrote...

Good video. I enjoyed it. You should do something like that again, but against shields and some how barriers.

Thanks. You mean anti-shield for sniper rifles? I've done anti-shield videos for assault rifles, smg:s and heavy pistols.

Modifié par cruc1al, 10 mars 2010 - 09:33 .

[_Dannok1234]

Very nice list of videos, maybe all those threads praising the GPR for being so fantastic against shields compared to the other assault rifles will finally stop.

[OniGanon]

Just a thought. The Viper did well on the test, yet it has the lowest armour multiplier of any sniper rifle.

Makes me wonder how they would compare against a different defense, such as the YMIR's shields.

Modifié par OniGanon, 10 mars 2010 - 10:47 .

[WillieStyle]

Cruc1al, I'd just like to say thanks for the awesome videos you've been making lately. They are very informative.



One question: why do you conlcude that the Viper is best for non-Infiltrators when the Widow took down the YMIR Mech's armor faster?



One other point: it's impressive how well Bioware balanced this game. The Widow seems to be better than the Viper but not by so much that no one would ever consider the Viper.

Similarly, the Revenant seems to be better than the Vindicator, but some pick the Vindicator because it matches their playstyle.

[WillieStyle]

I wander if it'd be possible to perform the same test on an enemy that does the annoying "head wiggle" whenever they get shot in the head.

As an Infiltrator, the one reason I stuck with the Mantis until I got the Widow was that, despite the 60% slow-down in sniper mode, I simply couldn't chain head shots with Viper on most enemies.

[cruc1al]

WillieStyle wrote...

Cruc1al, I'd just like to say thanks for the awesome videos you've been making lately. They are very informative.

Thanks 

WillieStyle wrote...One question: why do you conlcude that the Viper is best for non-Infiltrators when the Widow took down the YMIR Mech's armor faster?

Because the Widow is not available for non-infiltrator classes (apart from the Soldier, but most of the time I would expect Soldiers to go for the Revenant).

WillieStyle wrote...

One other point: it's impressive how well Bioware balanced this game. The Widow seems to be better than the Viper but not by so much that no one would ever consider the Viper.
Similarly, the Revenant seems to be better than the Vindicator, but some pick the Vindicator because it matches their playstyle.

It's very easy to just look at the numbers you get from experiments such as the one's I've been making, and then conclude that this weapon is better than that. It's not so simple. It should always be kept in mind that the interpretation of any experiment should be done in the context of the experimental setting.

In the sniper comparison video, I shoot at a heavy mech. Most targets for snipers are not heavy mechs, but in order to get a good idea of the damage per second of rifles with different clip sizes, I had to choose a strong opponent. Against light enemies such as Blue Suns soldiers or regular Geth, I would expect the Widow to wipe the floor with the Viper, since the Widow can, with damage upgrades from ammo or class skills, kill light enemies in one shot. That means the damage per second is irrelevant - what matters is that you don't have to wait and reload to kill the enemy, it's already dead. But that's not to say Viper wouldn't be good at it's job.

With regard to the Vindicator vs. Revenant issue, I would say that, in spite of the higher pure damage per second of the Revenant, Vindicator is overall the better weapon, except for the soldier. Now, while the Revenant is available only to the soldier, the soldier also gets the sniper rifle, so it doesn't need the medium-range head shot accuracy of the vindicator. classes which don't get a sniper rifle would be better off with the Vindicator even if they could get the Revenant. But that's just my opinion; as you said, play style matters, and if you're the kind of player that likes to close in on a target quickly, the Revenant might suit you better than the Vindicator even if you're playing a class that can't get it.

Modifié par cruc1al, 10 mars 2010 - 11:18 .

[Comrade Bork]

Finally proof that the Viper can rock. I use it on my soldier all the time, and it is my best buddy aside from my Revenant.

[JediPilot0]

Nice vid. We need something like this for every weapon class.

[Serillen]

Nice work on the vids