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[zykinwulf]

imma stab him... repeatedly

[Cauter]

the architect has to be one of the tevinter mages the tainted the golden city.

[Giant ambush beetle]

And It would explain the golden and black modifications on his body. (Golden & Black city)

[TotoroTori]

Cauter wrote...

the architect has to be one of the tevinter mages the tainted the golden city.

That's what I'm thinking, but I am wondering about the Disciples are they hybrids of former Grey Wardens?

[Rock N Roll Joe]

A vary good hypothesis Cauter but if that were true wouldn't the architect by now have learned Blood Magic that makes him as strong as the archdemon.



And in the book I have heard that the Architect lost a hand.

Wouldn't someone who lived that long be vary hard in every way to try and kill?

If your right though then I will be dissapointed since a Magisterlord, darkspan, and possibly a abomination, from what his apperance is like to me, would be like fighting a bulldozer while tied on the ground.



It's not gonna be like almost every other fight we were in except the last one in DAO.



I hope that the architect doesn't lose like every villan in the first game where the Gray Warden always got there just in time.

[Dark_Ansem]

has anyone else noticed that bioware shortened the slots in the Awakening "world update" page? this means even more juicy surprises maybe

[ShrinkingFish]

Lets keep in mind a couple of things about the Architect as he appeared in The Calling and the as he appears now in several respects.



1. It's been decades since we last saw him, since anyone last saw him as a matter of fact. We don't even know if his plans have remained the same or if his previous experience with humans hasn't changed his mind entirely.



2. It is most likely that we never got a full view of his plans in the book at all. The only times it was spoken of was to the ghouls and we heard it from their perspective. The Architect may have been lying and manipulating them the entire time. This is especially likely since as a ghoul loses their humanity and becomes more like the darkspawn it loses its capacity for anything other than the feelings of hate and regret. A being such as this would be easy to control if one knew where to hold the strings. I personally hold the opinion that he always had much grander plans than he revealed to any of his tools or allies, at least this is my hope as I'm a sucker for dynamic villains.



3. The regrowth of his hand is not that great of a shock. It has been said of the darkspawn that they possess incredible abilities to heal and regenerate on their own to the point that they have never developed their healing abilities because there is just no need for them. And the Architect has had a very long time to heal from his fight in the Tower of Magi. Otherwise he is still an incredibly powerful magical being and it is not that far of a stretch to imagine him being able to recreate his hand from the Blight.



4. His looks have predictably changed from that of the book and it is entirely likely that this shift in looks is simply what happens to such a powerful being over time. He has had a very long time to grow those things out of his head and get his face all malformed and it is believable that these changes come from his close association with the Blight and other forces that he is sure to control.



5. The Architect has little knowledge of man, and did not even know what a "day" was until he was told of it by one of the Grey Wardens. It is extremely unlikely that he has ever lived among men on the surface at any time, and if he did then he has no memory of those times.



This is all I have for now. But I agree with some earlier posts in hoping that the Architect does not die in this expansion and that Bioware saves him for further plots. Although, if we do get the chance to kill him, I imagine Bioware wont let us down and it'll be well concluded.

[Estelindis]

The Architect was my favourite character to read in The Calling - and one of the main reasons I'm buying Awakening in spite of not having Alistair in the party. Really looking forward to meeting this guy.

[Laurento]

TotoroTori wrote...

Cauter wrote...

the architect has to be one of the tevinter mages the tainted the golden city.

That's what I'm thinking, but I am wondering about the Disciples are they hybrids of former Grey Wardens?

I agree on both accounts, The Architect is probably a Tevinter Mage... maybe even the Archon at that time??

As for the Disciples, yes the they seem to be one in the same as those Grey Wardens who had their taint accelerated by The Architect having the appearence of Darkspawn yet able to think and talk independently. I'm sure he managed to pick up some stragglers/survivors at Ostagar, which begs the question of what really happened to Duncan?

But What I want to know is if The Architect will try tempt you in Awakening the same as he has other Grey Wardens, it would be cool having an ending where you actually become one of his Disciples.

Modifié par Laurento, 12 mars 2010 - 01:48 .

[nedweb]

In terms of Utha wearing armor/weapons--the way the game implements "Silent Sisters" seems to diverge from the book. The Silent Sister you fight in the arena uses armor and weapons. I had been hoping for an unarmed spec in the game, based on Utha in the book, but it seems it is not to be.



In general I give them some slack to interpret the artistic work of one man (Gaider's books) intot he artistic work of dozens/hundreds. Like making a movie--more folks have input into the collaboration. This is both in areas of looks and execution of something like the diea of a Silent Sister.



Ina ny event, for me 3/16 can't come soon enough.

[Tereval]

Honestly I'm starting to dislike modern game advertising, I know too much about again before I play it now. Takes away so many of the amazing moments when we know so much beforehand.

[exorzist]

Tereval wrote...

Honestly I'm starting to dislike modern game advertising, I know too much about again before I play it now. Takes away so many of the amazing moments when we know so much beforehand.

Ask me about it ...

[Archereon]

Haasth wrote...

bioware_fan wrote...

Is it just me or The Architect REALLY looks like a tevinter magister ?

That's kind of what I thought too, hence I think he is awesome. 

Has the theory that the Architect is one of the Tevinter magisters who originally went to the black city been brought up?

[Gorthaur the Cruel]

I wonder how he got his hand back? He barely looks like a darkspawn.

[Cauter]

Archereon wrote...

Haasth wrote...

bioware_fan wrote...

Is it just me or The Architect REALLY looks like a tevinter magister ?

That's kind of what I thought too, hence I think he is awesome. 

Has the theory that the Architect is one of the Tevinter magisters who originally went to the black city been brought up?

yes. it would fit, he doesnt follow the call of the old gods, has free will, and looks like a tevinter. also he prefers to not work with darkspawn that are mindless

[Wowlock]

There is a rumor that the Female Dwarf with The Architect would be Hespith ?



Well we didnt see what happend to her after Broodmother and she seems tainted and The Architect may has influance over her now. But I just read it from Dragon Age wiki.

[elliotthiyoha]

So, the darkspawn aren't only mindless, hideous, malicious, murderous, souless slaves of the Archdemon, they can talk aswell! Ah well. They die the same

[IronVanguard]

Archereon wrote...

Haasth wrote...

bioware_fan wrote...

Is it just me or The Architect REALLY looks like a tevinter magister ?

That's kind of what I thought too, hence I think he is awesome. 

Has the theory that the Architect is one of the Tevinter magisters who originally went to the black city been brought up?

Yes.
About 12 POSTS ABOVE YOURS. People never seem to read on this forum, thus we get 10,000 copies of every thread....

Never read The Calling, so I'm interested in what he's like. From all I've heard from that have read it.

[Behindyounow]

Its disappointing he doesn't look like a darkspawn.

[Sibuya Sempai]

ShrinkingFish wrote...

Lets keep in mind a couple of things about the Architect as he appeared in The Calling and the as he appears now in several respects.

1. It's been decades since we last saw him, since anyone last saw him as a matter of fact. We don't even know if his plans have remained the same or if his previous experience with humans hasn't changed his mind entirely.

2. It is most likely that we never got a full view of his plans in the book at all. The only times it was spoken of was to the ghouls and we heard it from their perspective. The Architect may have been lying and manipulating them the entire time. This is especially likely since as a ghoul loses their humanity and becomes more like the darkspawn it loses its capacity for anything other than the feelings of hate and regret. A being such as this would be easy to control if one knew where to hold the strings. I personally hold the opinion that he always had much grander plans than he revealed to any of his tools or allies, at least this is my hope as I'm a sucker for dynamic villains.

3. The regrowth of his hand is not that great of a shock. It has been said of the darkspawn that they possess incredible abilities to heal and regenerate on their own to the point that they have never developed their healing abilities because there is just no need for them. And the Architect has had a very long time to heal from his fight in the Tower of Magi. Otherwise he is still an incredibly powerful magical being and it is not that far of a stretch to imagine him being able to recreate his hand from the Blight.

4. His looks have predictably changed from that of the book and it is entirely likely that this shift in looks is simply what happens to such a powerful being over time. He has had a very long time to grow those things out of his head and get his face all malformed and it is believable that these changes come from his close association with the Blight and other forces that he is sure to control.

5. The Architect has little knowledge of man, and did not even know what a "day" was until he was told of it by one of the Grey Wardens [Bregan]. It is extremely unlikely that he has ever lived among men on the surface at any time, and if he did then he has no memory of those times.

This is all I have for now. But I agree with some earlier posts in hoping that the Architect does not die in this expansion and that Bioware saves him for further plots. Although, if we do get the chance to kill him, I imagine Bioware wont let us down and it'll be well concluded.

1. True, 2. True -- but Utha seemed an even more willing cohort than Bregan. He may have revealed more to her than anyone else. We, of course wouldn't necessarily know about that. 3. Pulsing purple mass of True. 4. Not necessarily. What's predictable about a darkspawn healing towards something more human looking? 

Three points to address:

• The Architect is not how we expected. I personally expected something more along the lines of a dessicated body moving with the grace and power of a buffed hurlock emissary. Something as mesmerizing as he is frightening to look upon. The voice on the other hand... SPOT ON!!! [<-- How do I triple underline this thing?]
• Utha looks even less like she did in the book than the Architect. Most of the stuff could've been done with the in-game engine, so it's not a matter of tech restrictions. Instead of her brown robes, she's wearing *spoiler*. Instead of wielding either a flail or her fists, they armed her with *spoiler*. Instead of her bald, since all her hair fell out when she was withered by the Architect, she's got *spoiler*. I don't think they got her eye color right either.
• The confusion of some people between the Architect and the Disciples early on is because the Disciples look like what a Withered (as in corrupted by the taint) Grey Warden should look like; or perhaps *logical, but still a spoiler*. The blood red eyes are especially key in this. The WGW and the Disciples however technically are not one in the same simply due to origin. WGWs were originally Wardens, whereas Disciples *again, logical, but still a spoiler*. If the Architect was experimenting with something like that, it could explain some of the physical discrepancies going from what Gaider wrote to what we see in Awakenings. I actually would've preferred something that has Awakening's style added to Gaider's original design.

All things considered though... We're just starting to explore Thedas. There should be plenty more world to discover, and room enough to fix discrepancies in later stories. To those who haven't read either book yet, highly recommended. 

Too bad this was posted in the "NO SPOILERS" board. It'd be easier talking about with spoilers in full effect.. not that some posters seem to mind... <_<

Also...

Wowlock wrote...

There is a rumor that the Female Dwarf with The Architect would be Hespith. 

Well we didnt see what happend to her after Broodmother and she seems tainted and The Architect may have influence over her now. But I just read it from Dragon Age wiki.

[Wowlock spellchecked/edited for clarity]
Yes. Hespith was tainted, but I think the process was intended to turn her into a Broodmother rather than a Disciple since we hadn't seen or even heard of the Architect at that point in the story. Short answer, the female Dwarf with the Architect isn't Hespith, it's *obvious, but yes.. spoiler.. ugh *.

Modifié par Sibuya Sempai, 23 mars 2010 - 11:48 .