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[Borschtbeet]

So I am in the market for a new non-Bioware western RPG.  I have Divinity II Ego Draconis and it's pretty good.

One game that has me curious is Risen.  I have heard such polarized opinions of it.  Some claim it's trash while others say it is one of the best RPGs ever.

I've also heard the Xbox360 version is trash but that doesn't matter because I would get the PC version most likely.

[medlish]

It's pretty similar to Gothic if you played that because it's from the same developers. It took me a while to get into (mainly because of the combat system) but it's a great game. The combat system is the thing most people argue about. Some find it good, others hate it. I personally liked it. You have to be pretty careful against some creature types and blocking/dodging is very useful.



The atmosphere is great, the world is interesting, the graphics are also good.



I'd say look for some videos of the combat system and if you think it's OK go for it!

[Busomjack]

It's garbage. The controls are abysmal and the storyline is as generic as you could possibly imagine.

[medlish]

Busomjack wrote...

It's garbage. The controls are abysmal and the storyline is as generic as you could possibly imagine.

People with DAO avatars have no right to speak about generic storylines. And also no right to talk about controls. The controls are fine.

[Borschtbeet]

Heh, this is what I meant when I said polarized opinions. Still, thanks for the insight. I checked out the gameplay vids on youtube and it looks fine. I would rent the Xbox360 version but that probably isn't a good way to judge the PC version since it apparently sucks. Wish there were a demo.

[Arbiter Libera]

It's old-school, probably the best way to describe it, especially if you come from newer RPGs like ME2 or DA:O where you have mini maps, quests marked on your map with extensive descriptions, etc. Here you gotta keep track of all these things for yourself... basically like Gothic games, only it went more mainstream and has higher production values (that's not to say they're anything better than above average, especially the VA... good lord, couldn't you get better voice actors at least?).

I personally didn't like it for some reason. It lacked that distinct Gothic "charm", if that's what you'd call it.

Modifié par Arbiter Libera, 10 mars 2010 - 10:32 .

[AshedMan]

It's an "okay" game. I can't say anything too bad about it, but at the same time I can't say anything too great. I found that it satisfied my need for an RPG when there were no others around at the time.

[Phantom_1]

AshedMan wrote...

It's an "okay" game. I can't say anything too bad about it, but at the same time I can't say anything too great. I found that it satisfied my need for an RPG when there were no others around at the time.

This ,    dont expect from it A category title like DAO ,  ME or The Witcher.
It doesent have so rich story as those above does and amazing graphic  ,   tho it have all other elements of traditional rpg.

If you liked Divinity Ego Draconis there are chances you will like this to .

Btw combat is not sucky but rather hard ,   that was always part of Gothic series that you feelt very mortal in there and not like superhero like in some other games,  you have to watch for  your every step.

[Phil5000]

I'd say it's okay if you're in the mood for an RPG romp. It's very similar to the Gothic games, so you'll be right at home if you're familiar with them. Not as good as one and two of course, but maybe on a par with three, although not as big.

[Petehog]

I have a copy of Risen and I'll try to give you a more detailed review about the game. First off, it is better than Gothic 3. But it is nowhere as good as Gothic 2. If you have never played Gothic 1, Gothic 2, or Gothic 3, then you should actually get Gothic 2 instead..although the graphics are much too dated by today’s standards. Otherwise, give Risen a try but don’t shell out more than 30 dollars for it.

The story is very bland.

Usually a game grabs me by its story, its gameplay or its atmosphere. This game lacks a decent story. The gameplay is very good but it takes a great deal of patience to really enjoy it. Combat is very difficult in the beginning and unforgiving at times.

However, one thing I really love about Risen and Gothic 2 is the freedom you are given.
After a certain point in the game, you are literally thrown into the world with almost no direction and you can explore around. Although there is a main quest in the game, there are many sidequests to keep you interested and the game is nonlinear in many ways. You can literally walk around the entire world and it is a very large world.

It’s very nice to walk around and to see an uninhabited cave. You peer in and you see lots of treasure. You look down the cavern and you see corpses and more treasure and a large beast lurking around. So you have to decide whether you’ll come back later or whether you’ll try to run in there and steal something and run the hell away or whether you’ll fight it out. It’s really nice to have this kind of freedom as opposed to the typical, “No..you go here and do this and do that.”

The game is unique in that it’s not set up in a “level by level” basis. In other words, most RPGs have you go to other areas only when you pass a certain level, etc. Here, the whole world is there. The only thing stopping you is the large dragon blocking the door. If you’re strong enough to take it out, you can do so but you are given the freedom to do run, fight, observe, etc.

What is really disappointing though is the graphics. They are terrible. Well, let me take that back. The character models are terrible. The locations themselves are beautiful. Beautiful sunsets, gorgeous streams of water, buildings are beautifully rendered. However, the people are terribly designed. They are marginally better than graphics of Thief 1/System Shock 2. They are worse than Thief 3 graphics. What is also a bit disturbing is the fact that all of the “talking human” characters have the same faces. There is no variety. So Bill will have the same face as Bob, etc. If you ever thought Dragon Age didnt' have the best graphics, you'll realize Risen has worse graphics.

The game takes about 12 hours to get really interesting. Specifically, in Harbor City is where the game really starts to pick up. If you will buy this game, I should mention that the “selling” of items in the game is oddly managed. In other words, if you have an item that is worth 500 gold and you talk to a merchant, he will say that he will “take your 500 gold”…what this actually means is that every person you talk to..has unlimited amount of gold and you can sell your items and they will always give you gold back. Much of what I’m saying doesn’t make sense, but it will make sense and will save you eons of time if you actually buy the game.

If you will buy the game, learn to quick-save a lot. The combat system is faulty. Take advantage of it. Save after every creature, after every successful blow. Pretty soon your skills will improve to the point, you don’t need to do that. But the game is unforgiving at times. Just like in Gothic 2, if you fight with a human, they probably won’t kill you. But they’ll knock you down and steal all your possessions.

Overall, the game structure is like this:

F for first impression

Then the game stays that way for about 12 hours.

After about 12 hours, the game moves to a B- and then to an A- (Harbor City is an awesome level)

Then the game moves down to a B.

Then towards the end (Titan armor quest), the game moves back to an F.

The game is a great RPG that will give you about 60+ hours of gameplay..of which 30 hours will be fantastic (A+) material..but the rest will be (F) material.

I feel sorry for the guys (Pirannha bytes)..because they make great games but they just need more funding. They need a better graphics engine, and a team of good writers..because their overall gameplay is fantastic but their weaknesses really bring the game down.

Modifié par Petehog, 11 mars 2010 - 02:11 .

[Gandalf-the-Fabulous]

medlish wrote...

It's pretty similar to Gothic if you played that because it's from the same developers. It took me a while to get into (mainly because of the combat system) but it's a great game. The combat system is the thing most people argue about. Some find it good, others hate it. I personally liked it. You have to be pretty careful against some creature types and blocking/dodging is very useful.

The atmosphere is great, the world is interesting, the graphics are also good.

I'd say look for some videos of the combat system and if you think it's OK go for it!

I have never played Risen but if the combat is anyting like Gothic 3 I would stay away, the combat in that game was absolutely horrible, if you have a sword and the guy you are facing is unarmed run the other way because you will get your arse handed to you, it is the same with creatures once they get one attack in you cant retaliate because they can attack faster than you can recover from the stagger effect of their last hit. The best way to fight is to go in unarmed, weapons are overrated.

[AshedMan]

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...
I have never played Risen but if the combat is anyting like Gothic 3 I would stay away, the combat in that game was absolutely horrible, if you have a sword and the guy you are facing is unarmed run the other way because you will get your arse handed to you, it is the same with creatures once they get one attack in you cant retaliate because they can attack faster than you can recover from the stagger effect of their last hit. The best way to fight is to go in unarmed, weapons are overrated.

Blocking and timing your attacks with weapons is pretty important in Risen.  Later in the game I just fireballed stuff into oblivion.  

[FollowTheGourd]

Borschtbeet wrote...
Wish there were a demo.

Wasn't there a PC demo? I seem to recall getting shipwrecked and then running around punching the local wildlife. Never really got around to finishing that.

[Gandalf-the-Fabulous]

AshedMan wrote...

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...
I have never played Risen but if the combat is anyting like Gothic 3 I would stay away, the combat in that game was absolutely horrible, if you have a sword and the guy you are facing is unarmed run the other way because you will get your arse handed to you, it is the same with creatures once they get one attack in you cant retaliate because they can attack faster than you can recover from the stagger effect of their last hit. The best way to fight is to go in unarmed, weapons are overrated.

Blocking and timing your attacks with weapons is pretty important in Risen.  Later in the game I just fireballed stuff into oblivion.  

Yes but that tactic is all but impossible when figting against a man with fists or a creature in Gothic 3 as they unleash their flurry of blows you will not get a chance to attack, the only way you can take them out is from range with either a bow and arrow or spells.

What I am asking is whether or not this is a problem in risen as well or if it has been fixed?

[Phantom_1]

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

AshedMan wrote...

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...
I have never played Risen but if the combat is anyting like Gothic 3 I would stay away, the combat in that game was absolutely horrible, if you have a sword and the guy you are facing is unarmed run the other way because you will get your arse handed to you, it is the same with creatures once they get one attack in you cant retaliate because they can attack faster than you can recover from the stagger effect of their last hit. The best way to fight is to go in unarmed, weapons are overrated.

Blocking and timing your attacks with weapons is pretty important in Risen.  Later in the game I just fireballed stuff into oblivion.  

Yes but that tactic is all but impossible when figting against a man with fists or a creature in Gothic 3 as they unleash their flurry of blows you will not get a chance to attack, the only way you can take them out is from range with either a bow and arrow or spells.

What I am asking is whether or not this is a problem in risen as well or if it has been fixed?

Combat in Risen is more like the one in Gothic 2 than 3,    but you need to time your blocks,   you need to time your strifes etc...
This game is all bout surviving its more bout player skills than skills of your character.

[Gandalf-the-Fabulous]

Phantom_1 wrote...

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

AshedMan wrote...

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...
I have never played Risen but if the combat is anyting like Gothic 3 I would stay away, the combat in that game was absolutely horrible, if you have a sword and the guy you are facing is unarmed run the other way because you will get your arse handed to you, it is the same with creatures once they get one attack in you cant retaliate because they can attack faster than you can recover from the stagger effect of their last hit. The best way to fight is to go in unarmed, weapons are overrated.

Blocking and timing your attacks with weapons is pretty important in Risen.  Later in the game I just fireballed stuff into oblivion.  

Yes but that tactic is all but impossible when figting against a man with fists or a creature in Gothic 3 as they unleash their flurry of blows you will not get a chance to attack, the only way you can take them out is from range with either a bow and arrow or spells.

What I am asking is whether or not this is a problem in risen as well or if it has been fixed?

Combat in Risen is more like the one in Gothic 2 than 3,    but you need to time your blocks,   you need to time your strifes etc...
This game is all bout surviving its more bout player skills than skills of your character.

Yes I got that but what I am asking is do unarmed people and animals still arse rape you with a flurry of blows that cannot be retaliated against once they have landed a hit on you?

[Phantom_1]

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

Phantom_1 wrote...

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

AshedMan wrote...

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...
I have never played Risen but if the combat is anyting like Gothic 3 I would stay away, the combat in that game was absolutely horrible, if you have a sword and the guy you are facing is unarmed run the other way because you will get your arse handed to you, it is the same with creatures once they get one attack in you cant retaliate because they can attack faster than you can recover from the stagger effect of their last hit. The best way to fight is to go in unarmed, weapons are overrated.

Blocking and timing your attacks with weapons is pretty important in Risen.  Later in the game I just fireballed stuff into oblivion.  

Yes but that tactic is all but impossible when figting against a man with fists or a creature in Gothic 3 as they unleash their flurry of blows you will not get a chance to attack, the only way you can take them out is from range with either a bow and arrow or spells.

What I am asking is whether or not this is a problem in risen as well or if it has been fixed?

Combat in Risen is more like the one in Gothic 2 than 3,    but you need to time your blocks,   you need to time your strifes etc...
This game is all bout surviving its more bout player skills than skills of your character.

Yes I got that but what I am asking is do unarmed people and animals still arse rape you with a flurry of blows that cannot be retaliated against once they have landed a hit on you?

That was case in Gotchic 3 which many ppl didnt like myself included.
But no now combat mechanic is much better    you cant be raped like that anymore .

[skilzlost]

well tbh i rather enjoyed risen, especially the huge difference in choice you can make with how you wana play it (ie choice of side from the start) i went rouge for ever and eventually joined the bandits ect.



i think it was a very fun game ok the combat system was way sloopyer than other games of this type and nothing like dragon age but ok..

[TippertonThistledown]

I'm playing it now and not all bad, there is a demo version available so I recommend you grab that and try it to see if you'll like the game.

[Angband21]

FollowTheGourd wrote...

Borschtbeet wrote...
Wish there were a demo.

Wasn't there a PC demo? I seem to recall getting shipwrecked and then running around punching the local wildlife. Never really got around to finishing that.

There is at risen.deepsilver.com/blog/pages/en/downloads/downloads.php