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[Besetment]

The thing that kills Thane for me is having Shredder Ammo as a bonus power so as soon as you do his loyalty mission you can forget about him ever taking advantage of ammo powers. He'll just switch to 1 point Shredder which is pretty much the worst ammo there is by a long way.



If you take Thane and Jack with both of their loyalty missions done theres no point rolling Shepard with any squad ammo. Both of them will just use their own instead so that squadmate combination is completely dead to me.

[hawat333]

Whenever you're against barriers or husks.

[Leon Zweihander]

Jack seems a gimped biotic since she has no instant cast ability to strip a defense bar unlike Thane, Miranda or Samara. What's worse, her only unique power of warp ammo is outclassed by Jacob or Grunt's incendiary ammo. She also has health and shields similar to Miranda while requiring to be close ranged because of her weapon.

[Bogsnot1]

Tlazolteotl wrote...

Oh, I forgot ... I always use her on the suicide mission ... as the biotic specialist.

Same here. For some reason, the final blast she lets out in the end cutscene looks far better coming from her, than from Samara. My mental voice-over for that has jack saying "Will you all JUST F**K OFF!!", whereas Samara just seems to let out a grunt in my mind.

[Tlazolteotl]

Bogsnot1 wrote...
Same here. For some reason, the final blast she lets out in the end cutscene looks far better coming from her, than from Samara. My mental voice-over for that has jack saying "Will you all JUST F**K OFF!!", whereas Samara just seems to let out a grunt in my mind.

It's not that ... at that point my Samara has ridiculous cooldown, Area Throw, Area Reave, and vindicator (possibly with a squad ammo power).
(Yes, you pull fans, my Samara build doesn't have pull)
She's so awesome I'm hard pressed to spare her for specialist duty.

[Mole267]

Datacakes wrote...

I've never found a use for Grunt. But perhaps he shines with some other class.

I'm playing a Sentinel on Insanity and I will say this, Jacob is my best buddy. I bee-line squad incendiary ammo from the start and put 1 pt in pull for him and horizon easy. Hell, I was level 10 when I did horizon on Insanity because of bug where I'm not getting the 25% xp bonus. If I had that bonus. This game would be too easy.

Jack is now gonna be my best buddy with Jacob situational only when taking Blood Pack. Jack is better for Eclipse and either works well for Blue Suns. I spec'd both of them for squad ammos plus their pulls set up my warp detonates. To a Sentinel they are very good squad mates to have in the game! They're probably not that usefull to Infiltrators/Soldier/Vanguards because they have ammo powers! But to a Sentinel, these two squadmates pack a mean punch. Swap in any other squadmate with-out ammo powers and Jacob and Jack are a fantastic edition.

So yes, every squadmate is usefull ... it depends on how you use them! Err, wait, I have yet to use Grunt and Thane for much of anything. They're pretty underused when I play.

I have to agree there, I definitely dislike Grunt the most.

Wrex was awesome in ME1, because he could kill things with a shotgun, and he had biotic powers. All Grunt can do is shoot. 

[sgtsavage10]

i dont really like jack i prefer Samara and if i am against husks then i just use zaeeds trusty inferno grenade : her powers are good but i just dont like her as a charcter

[thisisme8]

Mole267 wrote...

I have to agree there, I definitely dislike Grunt the most.

Wrex was awesome in ME1, because he could kill things with a shotgun, and he had biotic powers. All Grunt can do is shoot. 

And Charge Scions, knocking them over while he yells at them about being a Krogan.  And Concussive Blast.  And Fort.  Hell, I like all the characters.

[Kronner]

thisisme8 wrote...

Mole267 wrote...

I have to agree there, I definitely dislike Grunt the most.

Wrex was awesome in ME1, because he could kill things with a shotgun, and he had biotic powers. All Grunt can do is shoot. 

And Charge Scions, knocking them over while he yells at them about being a Krogan.  And Concussive Blast.  And Fort.  Hell, I like all the characters.

Thanks to you I like them all now too, Jack's Shockwave is really cool and useful, just tried it after watching your vid. Even Jacob is not that bad with Pull Field. And Tali, well I do not like her as a character, but she is ok in combat thanks to drone+energy drain.

[TheBellTolls4Me]

thisisme8 wrote...

Mole267 wrote...

I have to agree there, I definitely dislike Grunt the most.

Wrex was awesome in ME1, because he could kill things with a shotgun, and he had biotic powers. All Grunt can do is shoot. 

And Charge Scions, knocking them over while he yells at them about being a Krogan.  And Concussive Blast.  And Fort.  Hell, I like all the characters.

This, although I obviously have favorites. I used to see no point in grunt, but he's one of my favorites now. Come to think of it, I would imagine a combo of Grunt, Jacob/Jack, and Vanguard!Shep could be devastating in close range combat. Note I left out Tali, since she's not exactly devastating at close range.

Actually, we should have a topic about squad members.

[kinsha22]

I found Jack alright on veteran, but I never take her on insanity. Maybe it's just me, but shockwave just doesn't work very well when everyone has armor or shields on. I also almost always take warp ammo if my shepard has biotic powers, so that almost limits her usefulness. If want someone with a shotgun, i'll usually take tali along with chikkita. Exploding drones FTW

[Axterix]

I've found Jack to be dependent on who you group her with.
Ran her with Grunt for a while and that didn't work out too well. Love Grunt, he's so tough, but with him Jack spent a lot of time napping.
So I tried her with Miranda. Miranda can boost the team's hp, helping keep Jack on her feet. And Miranda has the Overload ability, good for getting rid of shields, which in turn makes it easier for Biotics to their thing.
Now, on Insanity, the Crazy and the Cheerleader are ripping things up.

Modifié par Axterix, 13 mars 2010 - 11:44 .

[CrazyCatDude]

Eh. I took Jack to the Derelict Reaper once. She was pretty good there. Took her to the collector ship once, same thing. She's dead useful on Horizon during the final battle with all the effing husks.



But honestly, my general purpose squad is Miranda and Grunt, though I sometimes use Miranda and Garrus. I tried Tali and Mordin because I wanted to hear Tali's reaction to "Quarrian with a tummy ache" and those two are a surprisingly effective combo on Mordin's loyalty mission.



Ultimately, Jack's biggest use, to me, is as a biotic specialist on the collector base

[binaryemperor]

kinsha22 wrote...

I found Jack alright on veteran, but I never take her on insanity. Maybe it's just me, but shockwave just doesn't work very well when everyone has armor or shields on. I also almost always take warp ammo if my shepard has biotic powers, so that almost limits her usefulness. If want someone with a shotgun, i'll usually take tali along with chikkita. Exploding drones FTW

Yeah, Shockwave on insanity really just stuns people. I have wide shockwave on my shep. It does buy some time though as everyone in the room takes a single step back.

[Datacakes]

kinsha22 wrote...

I found Jack alright on veteran, but I never take her on insanity. Maybe it's just me, but shockwave just doesn't work very well when everyone has armor or shields on. I also almost always take warp ammo if my shepard has biotic powers, so that almost limits her usefulness. If want someone with a shotgun, i'll usually take tali along with chikkita. Exploding drones FTW

I took Jack and Mordin to the Collector ship on Insanity with my Sentinel and she did just fine.   I also took her and Miranda to recruit Tali and we cleaned up easily.   I took her with me on Miranda's loyalty.  I took her with me on Garrus' loyalty.  She has squad warp so with my Sentinel I dont need a bonus power because the Sentinel does really really good without one, as long as another team mate has a squad ammo.  It's almost too easy running this way with the Sentinel but its super fun.

[Serpenttt92]

F**cking use her right.

Extremly valuable killer...

Jack worked excellent with me.

[cachx]

On lower dificulties she's very good with husks. But on hardcore / insanity, even the varrens have armor. My extra power is always Warp Ammo so I see no use for her.

[clanhenderson8]

schneaks wrote...

She, like most characters, can be very situational.

Which is a nice way of saying "Only mostly bad."

[tonnactus]

CC-Tron wrote...

 Shockwave is not as useful as pull field..

Shockwave is a lot better then pull on long ranges.For example,grunts recruitment mission and the places with blue suns heavys.Pull misses there.Shockwave works always as intended.(insanity/engineer)

Modifié par tonnactus, 14 mars 2010 - 12:14 .

[ChaosBahamut]

Anyone who can kill those annoying husks in one hit, and knock back or stun other enemies easily, is worthy of my attention. (and worthy of my Shepard's attention *wink wink*)

[Razorsedge820]

Jack is best used as biotic support so do not expect her to roll over enemies. Shepard or your other companion will have to take on the assault duties to weaken the targets so Jack can go in for the kill. When enemies get to close her Shock wave comes in handy. If you want to keep Jack alive keep her close or away from combat with pistol until things lighten up then send her in with Shotgun.

[KhanQuest 419]

trobbins777 wrote...

she's pretty good for husks and other melee enemies. Other than that warp ammo is pretty awesome if you use it right.

thats about right. i find she tries to use her shotgun at insane ranges which is useless. i sure do love shockwave though.

[Peer of the Empire]

Max Thane's ammo power so that he becomes useful.

Modifié par Peer of the Empire, 20 mars 2010 - 01:02 .

[cxensign]

As I got better at the game, my opinion of the raw nuke powers has dropped steadily, and my opinion of powers that send vulnerable targets flying has risen.  I only really see the nuke powers as valuable for setting up the latter sorts of powers now; otherwise they're just marginal damage that might as well have come from a gun.  Jack isn't any more vulnerable than the other squishy characters, she just has ragdoll biotics instead of defense strippers.  Squadmate Shockwave is way better than squadmate Throw, and she can set up Warp explosions with Pull.

It's really just an issue of philosophy.  A lot of people love Miranda, because she has a bunch of the nuke powers that set up Shepard's abilities.  Jack's abilities on the other hand are stronger, but need to be set up.  For a gun-focused character that doesn't mind defenses as much, Jack is an excellent squadmate for applying the coup-de-grace; it just requires a different point of view.

[Bellero_Shield]

I blew it!

I screwed-up the chance to gain Jack's loyalty (picked Miranda over Jack-I was looking forward to her upgrade), Not enough paragon points so now she just sits on her bunk and pisses and moans when I try to chat her up.