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the CE: a monetary shortcoming (a rant)


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Just to point out, CE would refer to the Collectors Edition of ME2...the following is a rant on why i regret buying it.  So, lets take a stroll down memory lane (pic) and figure out what exactly the 'pro's' of payin an extra $10 (+$5 for shipping if you had to order it like me, since all the stores were sold out like crazy, and +$50 if you try to buy it in mint condition on amazon.com today)  are:

The full version of Mass Effect 2

"WOW...really?  Cuz i woulda thought that i might have gotten a magically elongated version since its a CE!...or maybe a slightly slimmed down version because of all the cool extra stuff that I'm getting instead!" /sarcasm  But srsly, theres a solid $50 expendature right there (assuming your PC, like me).  Meaning the other stuff will easily total up to $10-$15, right?...right?

Bonus in–game Collectors' Edition weapon and armor

...and what wonderful bonus items they are.  A scary suit of armor that might  have looked decent on a renegade...that is, if you could take off the helmet for the sake of your prominent human face covered in scars...otherwise, with the helmet, you really don't even look human - while you work for that pro-human group and/or your human military buddies..."dur durrr?"  Then you have that assault rifle which its use is limited to maybe 1/4 of your squad members and only a Soldier PC.  It also can't really compete with the weapons that already exist in the game...and honestly looks un-natural while its straped to your back.  I mean, even if these items were any good, EA/Bioware is assuming that in-game items are actually worth monetary value...which would be quite the incompetant notion aside from the very few 'special' die-hard ME2 fans (that realisticly could be considered incompetant).

48–page hardcover art book - and the bonus DVD featuring "Behind the Scenes" and "Making-of" video

I will credit the artbook with a few dollars of worth, but it's odd to include such a thing when you are releasing it alongside a very weak* bonus-content DVD that could easily contain the virtual recreation of said book, and are printing high quality lithographs and posters featuring the best that the art book had to offer - in proper form no less; am I now supposed to present the art book as my...i dunno...coffee table centerpeice?  *And this bonus DVD:  Storytime - the first one i ever bought was Halo 2, and it was great; took you into the world of the Bungie game developers in their offices, working long hours - the stress of it all, the good and bad times, the fun free times they had, etc.  It also showed specifics on how they went about graphically designing the game (which as I'm currently studying the feild in college, im extremely interested in all that).  My 2nd and 3rd bonus DVD purchases were Dragon Age and ME2 - what a let down (i.e., monetarily worthless).  Every single piece of content that is on these DVD's I could easily find on the net...either through imageboards or streaming from the games own websites.  There was no "Behind the Scenes" documentary...some of the devs talked breifly on how the "Making-of" went down, but really..."ME2 - the darker mysterious middle episode" sums it up, as if every trilogy doesn't have the same middleground atmospheric plot...sure it differs in the charachters and the fine detailing but its all too damn similar - and having the personal pleasure of instantly watching and listening to all that raving on my TV as aposed to my PC monitor is supposed to be worth something?

Limited Edition Cerberus Network card granting access to bonus content

This came with every new copy of the game, right?  I mean, as much as i love it, it's not CE specific, so it can't really contribute to the worth of the CE...

Issue #1 of the Mass Effect comic book by Dark Horse comics

A nice (if not small) little addition to the ME2 universe...the only problem is that there is no reason why this couldnt have been added into the game - though given, it couldn't have been depicted fully since its from the perspective of another besides Shepard.  **A one-sentece summary of the comic spoiler-free: A past friend is looking for you(Shepard) and has a small adventure of his/her own while looking.**  And since, I'm assuming, this comic is canon material, i would assume that all the run-ins that this old friend has with ME2 charachters on your behalf would translate at least somewhat into the in-game ME2 universe...the only reference is a single, one-time dialogue option when you run into this old friend in ME2 as Shepard, which many have reportingy missed.  Not only that, but if you want the whole story, which this first comic conveniatly introduces you and raises your curiosity to, you'll have to go out and buy the other 3 issues ($10.50 plus tax), meaning if you cared enough to buy the CE, your gonna wind up buying these comics which you may not have even known about if you didnt buy the CE in the first place.  So, origonally I would have considered this comic something to give the CE some extra worth...but really, between its plot holes, the possibility that it could have been significantly included in the game and yet was chosen not to be, and continued cost of $10+, its more of an expense than anything worthwhile when considering the CE, and sneakily just allows EA and its subsidiaries to profit that much more. (Don't get me wrong, I'd like Bioware to profit for producing excellent material (exactly why i dont buy-used or pirate games), but this is just rediculous...)

[It's] all housed in a premium tin package with exclusive artwork

It's simple: I go out to buy a game so i can play said game.  It is the responsibility of the developers/producers/manufactuerers/whoever to encase said game in a proper package to make sure it withstand the ride to the retailer, and then the consumers home.  The cut-out cardboard frames of the old 8"x11" boxes with enclosed jewel cases 15-20 years ago worked fine; rarely the case might get cracked...but hey, the disc itself remained undamaged, which is all that mattered - they would have sold the jewel cases seperatley if they didnt need the boxes to lure the customer in via descriptions and artwork.  Now, they're manufacturing heavy duty tin (heh...never again should 'heavy duty' and 'tin' be in the same sentence) cases.  They keep the disc's just as safe as before and can now feature pretty artwork...which is useless aside from it being an attraction for sales, benefiting not so much, you the customer, but much more so, them - the developers/producers/etc.  They even had to enclose everything in a paper-cardboard box due to the art book so the 'appreciation' of the case art couldn't be seen until after purchase.  Once again, how can this artwork really benefit or please me in any way being on the case?  Poster = win, Case = stupidity.  And besides, hardcore collector enthusiasts will want plastic-sealed copies...my case is already scartched up somehow and I havn't done anything to it.

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Wrapping all this up, it's the last time im getting a CE from Bioware unless they choose to change it up somehow.  I leave the boards to you all to add your thoughts and comments.  And to anyone who actually read all that, heres a cookie:  (::)

Modifié par Dsurian, 09 mai 2010 - 01:02 .


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Shatakai

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 Collector's Editions are so that fans can spend a little extra cash to help their developer. They get some cool bonus stuff to go with it, which is always nice. I personally didn't read the comic book, look at the bonus DVD, or even redeem the weapon and armor. I took a gander at the art book, which was cool and all, but not really important. I bought the CE because I love Bioware and their games and the way they are influencing the industry today, and I'd like to do whatever I can to insure that they are here to stay.




Plus, now I don't have to look at that horrid cover art. :sick:

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Amen. We all should pay respect to a dev who is (apparently) giving gamers our WAY overdue props/free stuff. If they keep it up we have some good times in the future.

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WrexEffex

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Somebody call the waaaaaambulence.

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I don't really know that you have grounds for complaint unless you didn't know what was in the Collector's edition before you bought it.  I find that hard to imagine since a little research revealed it to me on launch day, and I took a look, decided I didn't want it, and got the regular edition instead.  The only game I've bought a collector's edition of was Fallout 3, and that was because it was well worth it.  It came with a lunchbox and a vault boy bobble-head, the former of which I use to take my lunch to work every day and the latter of which I keep on my desk as a conversation piece/paperweight.
Bottom line: the value of something is determined by the purchaser.  A barbie may cost twenty dollars, but it isn't worth twenty dollars to me because I don't want it and have no use for it.  BioWare sets the price of the CE, and if it's not worth the cost to you personally, I have to wonder why you bought it.  A little research on the internet should have told you what it contained.

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WrexEffex wrote...

Somebody call the waaaaaambulence.


Sorry, but is this kind of considered funny?  Did I miss that?  When did rudeness and casual cruelty become substitutes for wit?  It isn't even original; it's heavily over-used.

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Bob5312 wrote...

WrexEffex wrote...

Somebody call the waaaaaambulence.


Sorry, but is this kind of considered funny?  Did I miss that?  When did rudeness and casual cruelty become substitutes for wit?  It isn't even original; it's heavily over-used.



"rudeness and casual cruelty"? Get off your high horse.

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Lol. Waaaaambulance. Horses. You guys are silly.

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Bob5312 wrote...

WrexEffex wrote...

Somebody call the waaaaaambulence.


Sorry, but is this kind of considered funny?  Did I miss that?  When did rudeness and casual cruelty become substitutes for wit?  It isn't even original; it's heavily over-used.


Riveting tale chap

Love what you gots to say broski you should be a writer

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No, I agree, a waaaaaambulance should be called.



I'll dial 9-whine-whine.

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WrexEffex wrote...
"rudeness and casual cruelty"? Get off your high horse.


A truly stinging retort.  Very well, since you didn't like that one, and basic courtesy is apparently alien to you, let me try this:  Your comment is neither original nor funny, and adds nothing to the discussion.

Incidentally, regarding the monetary worth of the Collector's edition, I'm actually inclined to agree with the OP on the matter of in-game content like weapons costing actual money.  It's an interesting marketing tool, certainly, to allow people with promo-codes to download extra weapons, and the Cerberus network is a good idea for combatting the used-games industry, but I don't really like the philosophy of releasing most of a game at full price and then charging extra for the bits you left out.  It would be like a restaurant selling you coffee at full price and then making you pay extra for the cream and sugar.

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Bob5312 wrote...

WrexEffex wrote...
"rudeness and casual cruelty"? Get off your high horse.


A truly stinging retort.  Very well, since you didn't like that one, and basic courtesy is apparently alien to you, let me try this:  Your comment is neither original nor funny, and adds nothing to the discussion.

Incidentally, regarding the monetary worth of the Collector's edition, I'm actually inclined to agree with the OP on the matter of in-game content like weapons costing actual money.  It's an interesting marketing tool, certainly, to allow people with promo-codes to download extra weapons, and the Cerberus network is a good idea for combatting the used-games industry, but I don't really like the philosophy of releasing most of a game at full price and then charging extra for the bits you left out.  It would be like a restaurant selling you coffee at full price and then making you pay extra for the cream and sugar.


And yet you replied to it, distracting even more from the "discussion" you claim there is.

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From what I’ve heard a lot people were not all that impressed with the making of disc. I personally wouldn’t have minded to get a hold of a CE Mass Effect 2 game. Having the Collector armor and weapon would be nice to have I admit but I would have gotten it more for the art book, making of disc and comic.



My list of collectors edition games include Doom 3, Halo 2, Halo 3, Halo Wars, Mortal Kombat Deception and the best one out of them all Fallout 3.

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Darth Drago wrote...

From what I’ve heard a lot people were not all that impressed with the making of disc. I personally wouldn’t have minded to get a hold of a CE Mass Effect 2 game. Having the Collector armor and weapon would be nice to have I admit but I would have gotten it more for the art book, making of disc and comic.

My list of collectors edition games include Doom 3, Halo 2, Halo 3, Halo Wars, Mortal Kombat Deception and the best one out of them all Fallout 3.


I'm not big on collector's editions myself.  From what you've seen of the ME2 collector's edition, does it fall short of what comes standard in all the other ones you've bought?  I can only compare it to Fallout 3 (which was fantastic), since that's the only one I bought, but I've seen a number of them that come with action figures and so forth.  (A friend of mine actually bought two copies of one of the Halo games just so he could have two Master Chief helmets on his shelf.)

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This is the only collectors edition game I've ever bought. I enjoy the extras a bit but nothing to scream about. I am wonder how much everyone paid for a CE ME2 brand new because I pre-ordered mine from EA and it cost me just as much as a regular copy was going for at any retailer.

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Bob5312 wrote...

Darth Drago wrote...

From what I’ve heard a lot people were not all that impressed with the making of disc. I personally wouldn’t have minded to get a hold of a CE Mass Effect 2 game. Having the Collector armor and weapon would be nice to have I admit but I would have gotten it more for the art book, making of disc and comic.

My list of collectors edition games include Doom 3, Halo 2, Halo 3, Halo Wars, Mortal Kombat Deception and the best one out of them all Fallout 3.


I'm not big on collector's editions myself. From what you've seen of the ME2 collector's edition, does it fall short of what comes standard in all the other ones you've bought? I can only compare it to Fallout 3 (which was fantastic), since that's the only one I bought, but I've seen a number of them that come with action figures and so forth. (A friend of mine actually bought two copies of one of the Halo games just so he could have two Master Chief helmets on his shelf.)

Its been a while since I really looked at all of them but from what I can see about the Mass Effect 2 Collectors Edition its not to bad overall but like the OP points out some of the items listed are what everyone gets with the regular edition anyways. I had originally thought the Cerberus Card was an exclusive item to the CE version since it wasn’t listed as it being included at the store sites I looked it up on.

I would rate it as average but wonder just how many people got it to either sell online or just for the armor and weapon content.

I didn’t get that Halo helmet mega collectors edition. Lol. Doom 3 included the original Doom and Doom 2 and Mortal Kombat Deception came with Mortal Kombat 1. Halo Wars came with an exclusive vehicle. Some also came with art books and behind the scenes stuff as well and other ods and ends. But to date from the ones I have nothing beats the Fallout 3 Lunchbox with the bobble head and art book. I really should get around to watching that making of disc one day lol.

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I actually didn't have a problem paying the extra for the CE. I didn't get it for the cerberus network, the collector armor/weapon, or the artbook. I bought it for the game and the comic (cause I figured I wouldn't be able to find the comic in any comic shops around where I live... and I was right) Sucks I have to wait to get the trade paperback, but I'll wait and I'll wait to download Liara's mission that is suppose to come out shortly after the comic is over.

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My only gripe with the CE of Mass Effect 2 is the Bonus "Making-Of" DVD... because it's not a making-of documentary. It's 20 or so minutes worth of a long commercial. Really, the website has far, far more interesting developer videos ("The Art of Mass Effect", for example). The trailers/wallpapers sections ain't bad, but I can get these on the web. In HD, for free...



Seriously, I love making-of documentaries. I hope Mass Effect 3 will a have a decent no, a great one to compensate for 2's lackluster Bonus DVD...



Otherwise, the CE is fine I think.




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The online store I got mine from had it at... something like 5 USD moar than the regular version. Too good an offer to pass up. That said, I never actually fired up the bonus DVD, considering the things I've heard about it.



Your second point is not objective in any way whatsoever. You're claiming the armor is bad because YOU don't like it.



I'm also one of the few people who aren't bothered by the non-removable helmets.

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Being a game collector myself I've come to own some pretty awesome CEs - BioShock 2's comes to mind, it is exceptional -. ME2's CE is OK but I must admit that the carton box REALLY takes some points off. The first game was in a metallic casing. Why not this one?



I paid 100 euros for the CE and haven't regretted it, mainly for one reason: I love the game SO much I just had to own the CE. Otherwise its nice, but nothing special.



Just my thoughts on the subject.

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this is one of the best collectors editions out there. The art book is very nice, the comic also. The cover artwork is far superior to the standard edition. yes the collectors armour is strange looking but i liked using it on insanity, it certainly helped. The making of disc is a disappointment compared with ME1's. but i whole heartedly disagree with you on the collectors assault rifle.

Its easily the best AR in the game and the sound of it is phenomenal.

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jack3auer wrote...
but i hole heartedly disagree with you on the collectors assault rifle.

Its easily the best AR in the game and the sound of it is phenomenal.


:unsure:

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Rivercurse wrote...

jack3auer wrote...
but i hole heartedly disagree with you on the collectors assault rifle.

Its easily the best AR in the game and the sound of it is phenomenal.


:unsure:


i have looked at the comparison videos here and during my first soldier playthrough found the Collectors AR much better than the standard one and the geth pulse rifle almost a joke.   I tended to use heavy warp ammo.   the sound of it helps to makes it the best weapon IMO.

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Dunno what class you play as, but I take it you've never used the revenant with the accuracy upgrade?

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I have the ME1 CE, and the bonus disc that came with that was light years ahead of the ME2 CE disc. Better videos, Xbox themes and gamer pics, narrated art gallery (yes, narrated), and more... the ME2 disc was... 20 minutes of commercials advertising a game I'd already bought, and if I recall correctly, some PC wallpapers you can get off the website. Disappointing. And as the OP said, can't use the DLC armor if you want to see your face.



To be fair though, the art book was nicer than the Codex book you got with the ME1 CE, but I'd have preferred a more feature-packed bonus disc, and the option to purchase a proper-sized art book separately, like the one for ME1.