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[Pauravi]

adam_grif wrote...

Asking him to solve problems to "prove expertise" or what have you is not relevant to whether he's right or not. He's wrong, of course, but that isn't why he's wrong.

As you said before, he needs to back up his claims with sources. You don't need to say anything else, the burden of proof falls squarely on him.

True enough.

[Zcorck]

Well in Mass Effect we're kinda evolving along the path the Reapers' has chosen for us and countless other races. Like Legion said, by choosing to follow the path Nazara(Sovereign) has laid out for the heretics, their future no longer remains their own but that of Nazara. Well, at least he and Sovereign explained it in better detail and more eloquently. =/

[The Capital Gaultier]

The titular "mass effect" is very, very, very, very advanced. That said, you are correct that is one of the few differences between Mass Effect technology and modern technology. When you understand what the writers mean by mass effect fields, though, the implications are astounding. It may not seem a lot different, but it's quite startling in the idea's difference.

[Aesaar]

Mossa_missa wrote...

Low tech? You do relise the weapons shooting tiny, tiny led at incredible speed. Making ammo almost absolete but the weapons gets owerheated. If we had that sort of guns today I doupt a tank wuld last long against the sniper variant.

 The size and mass of slugs would prevent infantry weapons from dealing much damage, regardless of whether or slugs get through a tank's armor.  Precisely why AT weapons in both games are either large-bore projectile cannons assisted by mass effect fields (the Mako's main gun), or missile launchers.

Modifié par Aesaar, 11 mars 2010 - 09:10 .

[Jigero]

You do know that the basic ideas behind guns hasn't changed in over a 100 years right? Sure we made tweaks here and there but the concept has been around for centuries and has remain virtually unchanged.

[Computron2000]

The ME universe is in someways low tech if you advanced current tech by 200 years. For example, we can now do fusion though getting the output power to be more than input is a problem (might be solved within 3 years). Managing a closed system, self feedback loop is the major fusion issue now. But if we project it to 200 years, fusion power sources would be viable and compact. We would not see Cain or the missile launcher heavy weapons in this case nor would infantry assaults be used in any warfare.



However ME's background solves this nicely by introducing the mass effect tech that seduces all races to use as part of the Reapers' plan, through its incredible usefulness and having samples to reverse engineer available.

[Zulu_DFA]

Stephenc13 wrote...

 Not low tech as in the technology with ships and relays, but the weapons and armors are pretty low tech. Military gear = low tech in the Mass Effect universe

Mass Effect 1 = guns with unlimited ammo
Mass Effect 2 = guns with thermal clip ammo
Mass Effect 3 = M-16, AK-47
Mass Effect 4 = flintlock musket.

[jklinders]

Well if you REALLY want strangely anachronistic tech, try reading Dune. In that classic piece of sci fi goodness we have technology so very advanced...that everyone is fighting with swords. Oh and kinetic barriers that go boom if you are stupid enough to hit them with a "lazgun".

[Karstedt]

jklinders wrote...

Well if you REALLY want strangely anachronistic tech, try reading Dune. In that classic piece of sci fi goodness we have technology so very advanced...that everyone is fighting with swords. Oh and kinetic barriers that go boom if you are stupid enough to hit them with a "lazgun".

YES! I want a sword!

[Lambu1]

Pauravi wrote...

AdamBoozer wrote...

Im not going to go into detail for you. DO YOU'RE OWN WORK! damn. You think you would of got the message. 

I'm not asking you to explain how the crap works, just CITE A DAMN SOURCE.  A scientific one.
You're talking about all this technology that just doesn't exist, and you just want me to take your word for it??  Show me some data!  Some studies!  Some proof!



Anyway, I don't believe you know the current leading theories either, and if you did you couldn't understand them.  Everything you know about physics you learned by reading SciAm and reading conspiracy theories on the internet.

this! 
boozer you cannot come on here saying that anti gravity works without citing a source.  why would tanks use a laser antimissle system when the directed explosive charges used now are far more effective.  some of us here may actually be interested in these theories and would like to know more but you just saying it is without out sources and telling others to search does not help your position. 

in closing , cite sources or it didn't happen!


/thread necromancy

[CmdrFenix83]

Aesaar wrote...

Mossa_missa wrote...

Low tech? You do relise the weapons shooting tiny, tiny led at incredible speed. Making ammo almost absolete but the weapons gets owerheated. If we had that sort of guns today I doupt a tank wuld last long against the sniper variant.

 The size and mass of slugs would prevent infantry weapons from dealing much damage, regardless of whether or slugs get through a tank's armor.  Precisely why AT weapons in both games are either large-bore projectile cannons assisted by mass effect fields (the Mako's main gun), or missile launchers.

Reread the codex on weaponry:

masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Mass_accelerator#Mass_Accelerators

A mass accelerator propels a solid metal slug using precisely-controlled electromagnetic
attraction and repulsion. The slug is designed to squash or shatter on
impact, increasing the energy it transfers to the target. If this were
not the case, it would simply punch a hole right through, doing minimal
damage.

[The Governator]

jgordon11 wrote...

Kinetic Barriers, mass accerators weapons and ceramic body armor. what are you expecting lazer beams and plasma guns?

The ceramic body armor is worthless.  It does not practically factor into damage mitigation.  Only the kinetic barriers and skin weaves (G-R-O-S-S) do.

[Sigma Tauri]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Stephenc13 wrote...

 Not low tech as in the technology with ships and relays, but the weapons and armors are pretty low tech. Military gear = low tech in the Mass Effect universe

Mass Effect 1 = guns with unlimited ammo
Mass Effect 2 = guns with thermal clip ammo
Mass Effect 3 = M-16, AK-47
Mass Effect 4 = flintlock musket.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with dueling a turian with a powdered wig.

[Stephenc13]

Everyone seems to be forgetting that they have access to alien tech.

that might not happen in 100 years

[Pandaman102]

Stephenc13 wrote...
Everyone seems to be forgetting that they have access to alien tech.
that might not happen in 100 years

But then you're making assumptions of when the aliens started developing mass effect weapons and applying human standards to the rate of development despite 1) humans holding the convenient cliche of being the fastest developing race and 2) development of weapons on Earth isn't as fast as you're making it out to be.

[AdamBoozer]

Lambu1 wrote...

Pauravi wrote...

AdamBoozer wrote...

Im not going to go into detail for you. DO YOU'RE OWN WORK! damn. You think you would of got the message. 

I'm not asking you to explain how the crap works, just CITE A DAMN SOURCE.  A scientific one.
You're talking about all this technology that just doesn't exist, and you just want me to take your word for it??  Show me some data!  Some studies!  Some proof!



Anyway, I don't believe you know the current leading theories either, and if you did you couldn't understand them.  Everything you know about physics you learned by reading SciAm and reading conspiracy theories on the internet.

this! 
boozer you cannot come on here saying that anti gravity works without citing a source.  why would tanks use a laser antimissle system when the directed explosive charges used now are far more effective.  some of us here may actually be interested in these theories and would like to know more but you just saying it is without out sources and telling others to search does not help your position. 

in closing , cite sources or it didn't happen!


/thread necromancy

Nope kinda bored of contunuely showing how im right. . . Really anoying. Anyway if you want a source you didn't have to revive this thread you could of pmed me. I think I already won the arguement anyway since no one even searched what I was talking about. and pretty much your only arguement is NAH UH! No you got that from the previous poster and explosives are no where near as effect as the americans SHIELD system. The lasers are able to pre maturely destroy rpgs and anti tank weapons much faster and efficently then the older one the russians use. But that's another arguement Im not getting into.

Look if I actually went back too the literaly thousands of sites I gather information from then it would take me hours to post and no one goes to it. I use to post sources but with experence I saw most of the people on this board are not really good about that. In other scientific fourms I do post sources. But for you since you're wasn't total fail post like Pauravi usually is.

It isn't exactly gravity but a force acting on gravity but it's just easyer to say anti gravity so most people say that.
hers a couple of sources. I actually live in huntsville and that's how i know her.
http://keelynet.com/gravity/nasaag.htm
http://www.popularme...ch/1281736.html

[snappyfingers]

Stephenc13 wrote...

You guys arent seeing what i mean,
Modern days, we have dragon scale body armor, which greatly minimizes recoil and damage from the bullet... 100 years from now, that technology will be 100 times better.

Kinetic barriers are of course tech for that time

Mass accelerator guns? we already have rail guns, 100 years from now, the technology would better improve.

your assuming alot, but hell i will go with it, too lazy to refute.  Kick ass super gear would be pretty sweet to have, even if it cost 2 million credits, credits that you could get by selling off your excess resources at the local "trade n' swap".

talking about gear where you could walk up to a Mech, and falcon punch it in the "nuts" and watch it going flying into the startosphere.

[AdamBoozer]

Pauravi wrote...

AdamBoozer wrote...

Im not going to go into detail for you. DO YOU'RE OWN WORK! damn. You think you would of got the message. 

I'm not asking you to explain how the crap works, just CITE A DAMN SOURCE.  A scientific one.
You're talking about all this technology that just doesn't exist, and you just want me to take your word for it??  Show me some data!  Some studies!  Some proof!

No actually that is what it is. type in element zero on google see what you find. There are many science fictions that use it. Star trek used it for gods sake lol.

In case you hadn't noticed, this is Mass Effect.  It doesn't matter what it was elsewhere.
This is irrelevant to the technology discussion anyway.

No actually it did work and she "dissapeared". If it didn't work she wouldn't of gotten all those goverment grants.

Frankly, you're full of it.  Once again, show me some data.  How do you know it worked?

My point was nearly 200 years of improvement and we would have all those problems solved and we could use very powerful verions of them by then.

... and we do.

Actually I just hope people call me on it. So I can just lol all day at how you don't know and are ignorant and refuse to even do the work to know. I think it's really funny how stupid some people are out of choice. I think it's funny how I an 18 year old in high school who works part time for goverment contrators knows more then many mornic forum posters who don't even know the current leading theorys. You're only come back to everything I have said is NAH UH! basically. I thought that was pretty funny lol ******.

Use punctuation and proper English sentences, otherwise it makes you look ignorant.

Anyway, I don't believe you know the current leading theories either, and if you did you couldn't understand them.  Everything you know about physics you learned by reading SciAm and reading conspiracy theories on the internet.

Love how your combacks are post a source and NAH UH!

You are such a jackass. You want me too look up all the sources for you and you want me to actually proof read my post like a ****ing research paper in college. You are not worth that kind of effort. You be lucky if I gave you any sources at all. For one you ask for a source but you are ambiguous of what you want it on. The only clear one being the "anti gravity" which is posted.

Actually I know almost all the leading theories and I am continuly reading through them and watching their vids where ever I can find it. What is SciAm? I HATE conspiracy theories and that had absoulutely NOTHING to do with any of this thread at all. Is all you do is post troll post?

and we do? is that all you're posting? POST A SOURCE.

[adam_grif]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Stephenc13 wrote...

 Not low tech as in the technology with ships and relays, but the weapons and armors are pretty low tech. Military gear = low tech in the Mass Effect universe

Mass Effect 1 = guns with unlimited ammo
Mass Effect 2 = guns with thermal clip ammo
Mass Effect 3 = M-16, AK-47
Mass Effect 4 = flintlock musket.

This would be so awesome.

[CmdrFenix83]

adam_grif wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Stephenc13 wrote...

 Not low tech as in the technology with ships and relays, but the weapons and armors are pretty low tech. Military gear = low tech in the Mass Effect universe

Mass Effect 1 = guns with unlimited ammo
Mass Effect 2 = guns with thermal clip ammo
Mass Effect 3 = M-16, AK-47
Mass Effect 4 = flintlock musket.

This would be so awesome.

I don't remember who said it on here, but someone had a good post.  With the way Kinetic barriers work, it was found that bows/crossbows are the most effective method of weaponry, so Shepard goes back to those.

[Cascadus]

I still don't get how the weapons are low-tech. They fire grain-sized rounds at velocities that escalate versus today's traditional ballistics aided by rounds capable of compensating for gravity, weather and wind (which can then be modified to strike vital areas of the body). Revelation (the first ME book) addresses this point to a T. No matter how much armour technology (hard-suits) may advance, it will never become enough to match weapons technology. Essentially, for every step forward armour takes with kinetic barriers and ablative armour, weapons technology takes two.

If hard-suits are so weak, then why is it if you put them into modern times they would easily be ten times better than Dragonscale armour and the like and in contrast, if you put Dragonscale armour into Mass Effect, the chances of it being effective are incredibly low.

[mobomelter]

Seriously if kinetic barriers were real, war would be ridiculous. The fact that they made them personal sized is high-tech enough.

[AdamBoozer]

For those of you who are not just trolls. here are a couple of sources and places to read. If I missed something after you actually READ all that then ill find it if your not a troll and not even read any of that or care that the proof is right there. lol

Quantum Computing:
http://www.scienceda...90628171949.htm
http://www.scienceda...00205162953.htm

Quantum Entanglement Communication:
We are still working on the computers but.
http://plato.stanfor...es/qt-entangle/
http://www.didaktik....lish/index.html
http://www.physorg.c...ws63037231.html
http://physicsworld..../world-11-3-9-3
http://davidjarvis.ca/entanglement/
http://www.npl.co.uk...on-trapping-qip
Those are some must reads for quantum mechanincs really.

Can't find my tank system. But I know it's out there because me and my mom worked on the designs to it and the contracter we work for is making them.

Laser defence system:
http://www.boeing.co.../abl/index.html

Cool Rail Gun:


Element Zero or neutronium:
Was about to put it all together but wiki already did it for me.
"Quote wiki:
The term neutronium has been popular in science fiction since at least the middle of the 20th century. It typically refers to an extremely dense, incredibly strong form of matter. While presumably inspired by the concept of neutron-degenerate matter in the cores of neutron stars, the material used in fiction bears at most only a superficial resemblance, usually depicted as an extremely strong solid under Earth-like conditions, or possessing exotic properties such as the ability to manipulate time and space. In contrast, all proposed forms of neutron star core material are fluids and are extremely unstable at pressures lower than that found in stellar cores.
Noteworthy appearances of neutronium in fiction include the following:

• In Hal Clement's short story Proof (1942), neutronium is the only form of solid matter known to Solarians, the inhabitants of the Sun's interior.
• In Vladimir Savchenko's Black Stars (1960), neutronium is mechanically and thermally indestructible substance. It is also used to make antimatter, which leads to a fusion explosion accident.
• In Doctor Who (1963), neutronium is a substance which can shield spaces from time-shear when used as shielding in time-vessels.
• In Larry Niven's Known Space fictional universe (1964), neutronium is actual neutron star core material. Niven does not make assumptions about its strength, but imagines that small blobs of it could be artificially created under pressure, and their instability overcome by containing them in slaver stasis feilds.
• In the Star Trek universe, neutronium is an extremely hard and durable substance, often used as armor, which conventional weapons cannot penetrate or even dent.
• In the Star Wars expanded universe, neutronium is a metal used to make the Durasteel alloy.[citation needed]
• In the computer games Master of Orion (1993), Master of Orion 2 (1996), Master of Orion 3 (2003), and Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri (1999), neutronium is one of the strongest armor types. MoO1 - strongest; MoO2 & SMAC - 3rd strongest. MoO1 and MoO2 also feature "neutronium bombs", which are extremely powerful planetary bombardment weapons which causes damage due to gravitic effects.
• In Peter F. Hamilton's novel The Neutronium Alchemist (1997), neutronium is created by the "aggressive" setting of a superweapon.
• In Stargate SG-1 (1997), neutronium is a substance which is the basis of the technology of the advanced Asgard race, as well as a primary component of human-form Replicators; and apparently occurs naturally as a mineral in the crusts on some earthlike planets.
• In the game Mass Effect (2007) an element called Element Zero is the source of almost all technology in the universe.
• In Greg Bear's "The Forge Of God" (1987), alien aggressors inject two high-mass weapons made of neutronium and antineutronium into the Earth which orbit the Earth's core until they meet and annihilate, destroying the planet. "

[snappyfingers]

Boozer no one cares don't cater to the asses. dicks, pompous pricks, all we want to do is talk about sweet things that make the enemies go BOOM! BOOM! I don't give a damn about how realistic things could or could not be. ITS A DAMN GAME.

I know you get that, and i know people are frustrating but filling up half a page is enough, i believe you and i am sure your sources are good, and your ideas are grounded.

**** (forget) proving **** (things) to people on the this forum. its like trying to teach a 7th grader math proofs.  Its doable but buhhhhh, its tedious. 

Modifié par snappyfingers, 12 mars 2010 - 05:12 .

[Pandaman102]

AdamBoozer wrote...
Nope kinda bored of contunuely showing [...]

Not really interested in being part of this argument since it boils down to a lot of epeen waving, but you might want to consider the following points carefuly if you don't want to continue sounding like a self-important teenager who is furiously trying to defend his fantasies and lack of evidence through flames:

1) The burden of proof lies with whoever makes the statement, so you haven't "proven" anything by saying something that can't be verified and claiming you're right because nobody could find evidence that doesn't exist.

2) The government funding a research program doesn't prove what's being researched exists because they've funded research that proved something doesn't exist; research into UFOs (Project Blue Book), psychic spy programs (Stargate Project), and hypnosis using LSD (Project MKULTRA) are examples of such project.

3) You being 19 and working part-time in a government contractor is a poor appeal to authority because there are government contractors for toilet seats and wrenches; not that you would have the security of clearance to know anything since you a) don't have a college education and  aren't a commissioned officer.

4) If you really did have a photographic memory being able to at least cite where you read everything shouldn't be any more difficult than writing a paragraph's worth of baseless grandstanding.

5) For the love of God, use proper spelling.

And to address some assertions you made:
1) A quick Google search for a quantum computer with "77% acuracy" and runs "200 programs" gives me this thread as the top hit; so unless you can point out an article that says this the only one in the world to have made this claim is you (and don't say those are approximate numbers unless you're willing to admit to lying about having a photographic memory).

2) The Reaper MQ-9 UAV doesn't use a laser to destroy vans. It uses laser-guided bombs.

3) The Trophy APS (or the not-ready-until-2011 Quick-Kill APS) doesn't shoot down RPGs with lasers, it shoots it down with metal pellets (Trophy system basically has two shotguns on a turret connected to its targeting computer).

4) You are partially right about using lasers to shoot down missiles: as of last month the YAL-1 (the 747 mounted with a COIL laser for anti-missile use) is still in testing but only shot down two test missiles so far (one liquid fuel and another solid fuel); unfortunately preliminary results from a testing environment does not mean it will be effective in an actual engagement.

And I just realized I've written too much in an argument I don't really care about. Carry on.

Modifié par Pandaman102, 12 mars 2010 - 06:33 .