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I still don't get how the weapons are low-tech. They fire grain-sized rounds at velocities that escalate versus today's traditional ballistics aided by rounds capable of compensating for gravity, weather and wind (which can then be modified to strike vital areas of the body). Revelation (the first ME book) addresses this point to a T. No matter how much armour technology (hard-suits) may advance, it will never become enough to match weapons technology. Essentially, for every step forward armour takes with kinetic barriers and ablative armour, weapons technology takes two.
If hard-suits are so weak, then why is it if you put them into modern times they would easily be ten times better than Dragonscale armour and the like and in contrast, if you put Dragonscale armour into Mass Effect, the chances of it being effective are incredibly low.


If we just had the hard suits, where would the force from the bullet dissipate to?

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Can't find my tank system. But I know it's out there because

You'll have to forgive me for finding it excessively difficult to believe that anyone without a security (you, not your mom, won't make any assumptions about her) clearance is working for Raytheon.

And if your mom really is a Raytheon employee I can't stress enough to delete that line because people tend to get fired over showing government projects to people without security clearances; hell, it was only last month that old engineer got slapped with espionage charges because he had documents from his military projects molding away in his attic.

Edit: actually it was last year, time flies when you're busy being distracted by the economy.

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Pandaman102 wrote...

AdamBoozer wrote...
Can't find my tank system. But I know it's out there because

You'll have to forgive me for finding it excessively difficult to believe that anyone without a security (you, not your mom, won't make any assumptions about her) clearance is working for Raytheon.

And if your mom really is a Raytheon employee I can't stress enough to delete that line because people tend to get fired over showing government projects to people without security clearances; hell, it was only last month that old engineer got slapped with espionage charges because he had documents from his military projects molding away in his attic.


The news just loves to exaggerate.

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Basically:

quantum computing, communications -> good theory, we are unable to make it work efficiently in real life;

laser defense systems -> prototype mounted on 747, cant be mounted on tanks because of energy requirements, we have other technologies that work just fine;

rail guns -> they work, useless at the current stage of technology;

element zero -> who cares that it was used in other fiction? We are talking about mass effect technology in correlation to current human tech. There's nothing that would suggest that eezo could be used in the same way as it is used in me universe.

anti gravity -> no one has seen it yet. That means there's no proof that we are able to produce such phenomenon. Conspiracy theories might be true, but might as well be not.






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Star Wars is that way >>>>>

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KainrycKarr wrote...

Star Wars is that way >>>>>


This is a Mass Effect thread, go to starwars.com or something if you want star wars

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CmdrFenix83 wrote...

adam_grif wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Stephenc13 wrote...

 Not low tech as in the technology with ships and relays, but the weapons and armors are pretty low tech. Military gear = low tech in the Mass Effect universe


Mass Effect 1 = guns with unlimited ammo
Mass Effect 2 = guns with thermal clip ammo
Mass Effect 3 = M-16, AK-47
Mass Effect 4 = flintlock musket.


This would be so awesome.


I don't remember who said it on here, but someone had a good post.  With the way Kinetic barriers work, it was found that bows/crossbows are the most effective method of weaponry, so Shepard goes back to those. :P


No, it won't work.

See, kinetic barrier worked that way in ME1 (and Shepard needed the armor stat). Now they are capable of protecting from sun rays, toxins and even nere-absolute-zero vacuum. Which means they work by magic now.

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Stephenc13 wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Star Wars is that way >>>>>


This is a Mass Effect thread, go to starwars.com or something if you want star wars


Way to read.

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KainrycKarr wrote...

Stephenc13 wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Star Wars is that way >>>>>


This is a Mass Effect thread, go to starwars.com or something if you want star wars


Way to read.

Yup no problem

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Zulu_DFA wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

adam_grif wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Stephenc13 wrote...

 Not low tech as in the technology with ships and relays, but the weapons and armors are pretty low tech. Military gear = low tech in the Mass Effect universe


Mass Effect 1 = guns with unlimited ammo
Mass Effect 2 = guns with thermal clip ammo
Mass Effect 3 = M-16, AK-47
Mass Effect 4 = flintlock musket.


This would be so awesome.


I don't remember who said it on here, but someone had a good post.  With the way Kinetic barriers work, it was found that bows/crossbows are the most effective method of weaponry, so Shepard goes back to those. :P


No, it won't work.

See, kinetic barrier worked that way in ME1 (and Shepard needed the armor stat). Now they are capable of protecting from sun rays, toxins and even nere-absolute-zero vacuum. Which means they work by magic now.


I'm glad I wasn't the only one thinking "Wtf?" when the shields somehow blocked sun radiation...

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monkeycamoran wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Stephenc13 wrote...

 Not low tech as in the technology with ships and relays, but the weapons and armors are pretty low tech. Military gear = low tech in the Mass Effect universe


Mass Effect 1 = guns with unlimited ammo
Mass Effect 2 = guns with thermal clip ammo
Mass Effect 3 = M-16, AK-47
Mass Effect 4 = flintlock musket.


There is absolutely nothing wrong with dueling a turian with a powdered wig.


Don't forget to enchant your lead bullet to do additional frost damage.

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Stephenc13 wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Stephenc13 wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Star Wars is that way >>>>>


This is a Mass Effect thread, go to starwars.com or something if you want star wars


Way to read.

Yup no problem


Shepard with a laser sword.

#138
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KainrycKarr wrote...

Stephenc13 wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Stephenc13 wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Star Wars is that way >>>>>


This is a Mass Effect thread, go to starwars.com or something if you want star wars


Way to read.

Yup no problem


Shepard with a laser sword.


Don't you mean a flashlight?

#139
KainrycKarr

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Stephenc13 wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Stephenc13 wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Stephenc13 wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Star Wars is that way >>>>>


This is a Mass Effect thread, go to starwars.com or something if you want star wars


Way to read.

Yup no problem


Shepard with a laser sword.


Don't you mean a flashlight?


Nope, I mean a laser sword. Dead serious.

But, to be on topic, 200 years ago we were using gunpowder weapons. We still are. Mass Effect isn't THAT far away. I don't find it hard to believe at all that they still use a variation of gunpowder weapons at all.

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KainrycKarr wrote...

Stephenc13 wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Stephenc13 wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Stephenc13 wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Star Wars is that way >>>>>


This is a Mass Effect thread, go to starwars.com or something if you want star wars


Way to read.

Yup no problem


Shepard with a laser sword.


Don't you mean a flashlight?


Nope, I mean a laser sword. Dead serious.

But, to be on topic, 200 years ago we were using gunpowder weapons. We still are. Mass Effect isn't THAT far away. I don't find it hard to believe at all that they still use a variation of gunpowder weapons at all.



Actually we have gas powered weapons too. And even non-lethal lasers that could probably boil someone if they further improved it

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****** pleeze

#142
KainrycKarr

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Stephenc13 wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Stephenc13 wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Stephenc13 wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Stephenc13 wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Star Wars is that way >>>>>


This is a Mass Effect thread, go to starwars.com or something if you want star wars


Way to read.

Yup no problem


Shepard with a laser sword.


Don't you mean a flashlight?


Nope, I mean a laser sword. Dead serious.

But, to be on topic, 200 years ago we were using gunpowder weapons. We still are. Mass Effect isn't THAT far away. I don't find it hard to believe at all that they still use a variation of gunpowder weapons at all.



Actually we have gas powered weapons too. And even non-lethal lasers that could probably boil someone if they further improved it


Gas-powered is separate from what the weapon is firing.

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KainrycKarr wrote...

Stephenc13 wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Stephenc13 wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Stephenc13 wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Stephenc13 wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Star Wars is that way >>>>>


This is a Mass Effect thread, go to starwars.com or something if you want star wars


Way to read.

Yup no problem


Shepard with a laser sword.


Don't you mean a flashlight?


Nope, I mean a laser sword. Dead serious.

But, to be on topic, 200 years ago we were using gunpowder weapons. We still are. Mass Effect isn't THAT far away. I don't find it hard to believe at all that they still use a variation of gunpowder weapons at all.



Actually we have gas powered weapons too. And even non-lethal lasers that could probably boil someone if they further improved it


Gas-powered is separate from what the weapon is firing.

True, but what other efficient explosive is there to discharge a bullet from a shell? The only option we have now is to find another reliable way to shoot bullets.

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Zulu_DFA wrote...

No, it won't work.

See, kinetic barrier worked that way in ME1 (and Shepard needed the armor stat). Now they are capable of protecting from sun rays, toxins and even nere-absolute-zero vacuum. Which means they work by magic now.


/wave @ Douchebag Shepard

I would have prefered everyone stayed in their combat suits just like in ME1, myself.  I, myself, don't agree with the lore behind the game mechanics changes.  However, I enjoy ME2's combat infinitely more than I did ME1's, so I'm willing to let this slide.

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CmdrFenix83 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

No, it won't work.

See, kinetic barrier worked that way in ME1 (and Shepard needed the armor stat). Now they are capable of protecting from sun rays, toxins and even nere-absolute-zero vacuum. Which means they work by magic now.


/wave @ Douchebag Shepard

I would have prefered everyone stayed in their combat suits just like in ME1, myself.  I, myself, don't agree with the lore behind the game mechanics changes.  However, I enjoy ME2's combat infinitely more than I did ME1's, so I'm willing to let this slide.


I don't get why they didn't make Miranda naked since kinetic barriers take all the punishment........
that is a joke

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I don't get why they didn't make Miranda naked since kinetic barriers take all the punishment........
that is a joke

What, you mean you didn't get the mod?

:innocent:

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Pandaman102 wrote...

Stephenc13 wrote...
I don't get why they didn't make Miranda naked since kinetic barriers take all the punishment........
that is a joke

What, you mean you didn't get the mod?

:innocent:


I'm an xbox player D:

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Stephenc13 wrote...

Pandaman102 wrote...

Stephenc13 wrote...
I don't get why they didn't make Miranda naked since kinetic barriers take all the punishment........
that is a joke

What, you mean you didn't get the mod?

:innocent:


I'm an xbox player D:

Don't worry, there actually isn't a mod of that... yet.

Hmm, actually, I wonder if I can edit the .ini so she can run around in her bra all day; and on that subject why is she using something as low-tech as a bra? It should be a mass effect field.

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Even the field needs a generator somewhere...

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Love how your combacks are post a source and NAH UH!


The burden of proof falls on the person who has made a positive assumption. If this wasn't the case, then I could claim any number of things, varying in degrees of plausibility, and according to you it would be your job to prove that it isn't true. For instance:

I am the king of the sovereign nation of Luna. I have a super-mega-ultrafortress, but you can't see it because it's on the dark side of the moon and is also cloaked.

Prove me wrong.

Element Zero or neutronium:
Was about to put it all together but wiki already did it for me.


No go, the only connection to "Neutronium" (a substance made of neutrons) is that neutronium has an atomic number 0, if such a thing were to exist. You would assume that Element Zero would also have said atomic number, if it exists, by it's name, although that's not a certainty. That said, this doesn't give you any useful information because there are many other factors in play.

Specifically, Eezo functions by running a current through it. The idea that you can run an electrical current through neutronium is completely hilarious, since electrical currents are the exchange of electrons running through electrically non-neutral substances. Neutronium is electrically neutral by definition, since it's comprised solely of neutrons, which are electrically neutral. Eezo is some kind of exotic particle, Codex says it's what happens when matter is exposed to radiation from a star going supernova. It's most assuredly not neutronium.

Those are some must reads for quantum mechanincs really.


I'm not sure why you were bringing that up (didn't read the whole thread), but understand that the way it was used in Mass Effect is impossible, because QE can't be used for superluminal information transfer. Quantum Computers and the information passed around in their interior are all limited to lightspeed or slower, as is everything else.

Papers on the No-Communications Theorem should prove enlightening if you'd like to read them. The Wiki article has the formulations, but it's engaged in some kind of edit war between people with conflicts of interest, so trusting info on it implicitly is not advised.

Cool Rail Gun:


If you're trying to show that ME is "low tech" you're failing, because the Navy's railgun prototypes are all only good for one shot before needing their barrels repaired. The Dreadnought's firing things at .013 C is also far beyond the scope of any railgun ever made, and it being able to fire every 5 seconds represents a level of material science that blows the contemporary stuff out of the water.

Laser defence system:


Still in testing. "We currently use" in your previous posts was simply wrong. They are nowhere near being ready to be fielded actively.

Modifié par adam_grif, 12 mars 2010 - 06:32 .