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[adam_grif]

But, to be on topic, 200 years ago we were using gunpowder weapons. We still are. Mass Effect isn't THAT far away. I don't find it hard to believe at all that they still use a variation of gunpowder weapons at all.

The first recorded use of firearms operating with cartridges was in 1260 A.D., by the Mamluks. It was paper, and used a different sort of gunpowder, and the design of the gun was different too. But this gives you an idea of scope. People still using something we have today in the future isn't "low tech", because the thing we have today might simply be the best thing for the job. The assumption that something better "must" come along in the future is unfounded.

[Zulu_DFA]

Some modern prototype rifles and machineguns are still developed to use standard 7.62x51mm ammunition, that was introduced in 1908. And that's more than a century!

But railguns are developed too.

And anyway, if something like eezo is found, it'll be a breackthough in technology, which will make gunpowder obsolete.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 12 mars 2010 - 07:11 .

[AdamBoozer]

adam_grif wrote...

Love how your combacks are post a source and NAH UH!

The burden of proof falls on the person who has made a positive assumption. If this wasn't the case, then I could claim any number of things, varying in degrees of plausibility, and according to you it would be your job to prove that it isn't true. For instance:

I am the king of the sovereign nation of Luna. I have a super-mega-ultrafortress, but you can't see it because it's on the dark side of the moon and is also cloaked.

Prove me wrong.

Element Zero or neutronium:
Was about to put it all together but wiki already did it for me.

No go, the only connection to "Neutronium" (a substance made of neutrons) is that neutronium has an atomic number 0, if such a thing were to exist. You would assume that Element Zero would also have said atomic number, if it exists, by it's name, although that's not a certainty. That said, this doesn't give you any useful information because there are many other factors in play.

Specifically, Eezo functions by running a current through it. The idea that you can run an electrical current through neutronium is completely hilarious, since electrical currents are the exchange of electrons running through electrically non-neutral substances. Neutronium is electrically neutral by definition, since it's comprised solely of neutrons, which are electrically neutral. Eezo is some kind of exotic particle, Codex says it's what happens when matter is exposed to radiation from a star going supernova. It's most assuredly not neutronium.

Those are some must reads for quantum mechanincs really.

I'm not sure why you were bringing that up (didn't read the whole thread), but understand that the way it was used in Mass Effect is impossible, because QE can't be used for superluminal information transfer. Quantum Computers and the information passed around in their interior are all limited to lightspeed or slower, as is everything else.

Papers on the No-Communications Theorem should prove enlightening if you'd like to read them. The Wiki article has the formulations, but it's engaged in some kind of edit war between people with conflicts of interest, so trusting info on it implicitly is not advised.

Cool Rail Gun:

If you're trying to show that ME is "low tech" you're failing, because the Navy's railgun prototypes are all only good for one shot before needing their barrels repaired. The Dreadnought's firing things at .013 C is also far beyond the scope of any railgun ever made, and it being able to fire every 5 seconds represents a level of material science that blows the contemporary stuff out of the water.

Laser defence system:

Still in testing. "We currently use" in your previous posts was simply wrong. They are nowhere near being ready to be fielded actively.

One nice thing and nothing i have said was directed at you but ill bite.

one if you said that there wouldn't be much in way of scientificly proveing that not to be true any of us could do. Being as far as we know the reapers don't have cloacking tech even though it's possible because they can harness enough power to bend light around there ships none of the ships have it that we know of. So yeah you could actually say that. lol as far fetched and crazy as it sounds. BUT the diffrence is what I am saying is all out there I just didn't feel like gathering it for people that post in this thread because it didn't seem worth it honestly. I save my efforts for people who are actually in the scientific community. For instance if my friend Josh Dickson played this he would blow even me away with the amount of main stream theorys he knows. I simply can't read and understand them as fast as him. Hes kind of a Good Will hunting type guy brillant when it comes to math and pysics.

Well I realized that I didn't say bioware did a good job on it but I look at it like this All of these other science fiction's are all using this and some of them are using it as armor some as a power source so the people on wiki like me agree that this is what they were talking about beause there simply is nothing else named Element zero. "If it smells like, feels like, and taste like ****, it usually is." lol But wouldn't you agree that this is way more probable then it being dark matter something we don't even know what it is or if it exist. At least we know what the best eezo is. The star going super nova is just more proof that it is in fact neutronium. If you don't know what I mean by that I can try to help you by finding a link for you to read but it's hard to explain in laymans terms. Has to do with the radiation. Personally I think netronium is impossible or would be like anti matter in that very little of it would exist because neutrinos in it's creation of the particles smashing together contantly in the star would carry off some of it.

NO NO NO  not mass effect it's how we currently use it. We can only assume how mass effect use's it because they are so far ahead of us progress wise. This is just what we think now for quantum mechanics.

No I wasn't trying to make it look low tech. I was just showing that because there was an arguement over the ones on our ships now being better then rail guns could be and this one actually broke a reccord so I had to show it. I actually saw this a couple years ago so vast improvements have likely been made.

Yes there in testing but more of there calibrating the lens on those bad boys. There going to replace the current missle defense system we have now. I had the priviledge to work on one and I have to say they are amazeing. I wish I could tell you more but this is a goverment computer and they have programs on it that don't allow me to talk about certin things. Much of the computer is actually blocked off to me lol. For a goverment computer this thing is out dated too.

[AdamBoozer]

I have heard rumors just rumors at my work that the DD in america is working on prototype plasma weapons. Just rumors around my work though. So would be intersting to see 200 years later what our tech really would look like.

[chester013]

Stephenc13 wrote...

You guys arent seeing what i mean,
Modern days, we have dragon scale body armor, which greatly minimizes recoil and damage from the bullet... 100 years from now, that technology will be 100 times better.

Kinetic barriers are of course tech for that time

Mass accelerator guns? we already have rail guns, 100 years from now, the technology would better improve.

Rail guns aren't exactly man portable, the only ones rumoured to be in existence are mounted on battleships. Portable rail gun that suspends a round in zero gravity? Force fields? Seems high tech to me.

[AdamBoozer]

Rumored? I just showed a video of it chester. But yeah the only ones powerful enough to do big damage are mounted on navy vessels. But in space these would be devastating.

[Zulu_DFA]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

No, it won't work.

See, kinetic barrier worked that way in ME1 (and Shepard needed the armor stat). Now they are capable of protecting from sun rays, toxins and even nere-absolute-zero vacuum. Which means they work by magic now.

/wave @ Douchebag Shepard

I would have prefered everyone stayed in their combat suits just like in ME1, myself.  I, myself, don't agree with the lore behind the game mechanics changes.  However, I enjoy ME2's combat infinitely more than I did ME1's, so I'm willing to let this slide.

 Consistency is the last thing I would expect from a talimancer.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 12 mars 2010 - 07:19 .

[AdamBoozer]

yes cmdfenix has a point though. ME1 was way more scientifically accurate then me2. This is probably because they worked for years on it. I don't know.



So really though would like to see a mix between mass effect 1 and 2 with a bunch of new things for me3.

[fanman72]

Stephenc13 wrote...

You guys arent seeing what i mean,
Modern days, we have dragon scale body armor, which greatly minimizes recoil and damage from the bullet... 100 years from now, that technology will be 100 times better.

Kinetic barriers are of course tech for that time

Mass accelerator guns? we already have rail guns, 100 years from now, the technology would better improve.

I don't think anyone can accurately predict technological changes 200 years from now.  There's a reason it's called science FICTION.  Remember back in the '50s where everybody thought we'd have moon bases by now, but woudl probably cry witchcraft if they saw our technological advancements in computers, internet, etc??  Technology often develops in unexpected ways.  Do you seriously believe if in the future we find new life forms they'll be as humanoid as turians, salarians, and that communication will be easy?


  Just enjoy the story for what it is.  

Modifié par fanman72, 12 mars 2010 - 08:21 .

[sandman7431]

If you think there's anyone alive who can accurately predict what state of the art weapons technology will be like in 200 years, you couldn't be more wrong.  There's no way to accurately predict the nature of warfare beyond maybe 10 years from now.

[sandman7431]

fanman72 wrote...

Stephenc13 wrote...

You guys arent seeing what i mean,
Modern days, we have dragon scale body armor, which greatly minimizes recoil and damage from the bullet... 100 years from now, that technology will be 100 times better.

Kinetic barriers are of course tech for that time

Mass accelerator guns? we already have rail guns, 100 years from now, the technology would better improve.

I don't think anyone can accurately predict technological changes 200 years from now.  There's a reason it's called science FICTION.  Remember back in the '50s where everybody thought we'd have moon bases by now, but woudl probably cry witchcraft if they saw our technological advancements in computers, internet, etc??  Technology often develops in unexpected ways.  Do you seriously believe if in the future we find new life forms they'll be as humanoid as turians, salarians, and that communication will be easy?


  Just enjoy the story for what it is.  

Exactly

[Lambu1]

yeah, where's my flying car that 40 years ago was predicted to be here 10 years ago. 



and mass effect guns are closer to coil/gauss guns than rail gun


railgun explanation:
http://science.howst...n.htm/printable

coil gun explanation:
http://www.powerlabs.org/coilgun.htm

Modifié par Lambu1, 12 mars 2010 - 08:34 .

[Vaenier]

I expected their internet would be alot better in the future, but we are still stuck getting crappy written emails instead of holo recordings.

their guns suck. very impractical design. no integrated inferred scopes, no under-slung grenade launchers, highly inefficient ammo systems, bullets that are way too tiny, numerous useless glowing lights to give away your position, massive recoil...

Ships are complete wastes of space. Compare our subs and cruisers to these ships, look how much space is wasted in space ships that could be used for more weapons, armor, generators, storage... In our modern ships, use use every square inch of the ship, what happened to the future.

And still on ships, why is the bridge all the way on the nose? That is the worst place to put it, it should be safely in the middle of the ship, space combat is done with sensors and computers, windows are structural weaknesses.

Armor... If only they installed a ****ing camera on Shep's suit, then we wouldnt be in such a mess now. And they need an ammo bag. 4 mags is pathetic.

Why do they not have any orbital defense platforms around the citadel? Those + Eezo = bye bye Reapers.



If its worth doing, its worth over doing. ^.=.^

[RigAudio]

Why the heck are all the screens monochrome. It's the FUTURE. We need 64 million colour, full 3D screens.

[Lambu1]

Vaenier wrote...

I expected their internet would be alot better in the future, but we are still stuck getting crappy written emails instead of holo recordings.

hehe, i can see it now,  Morlan pops up and screams "YOUR 2 SMALL!!"

[Vaenier]

Oh ya, robots. Their security droids are worse then our current day prototypes... I expected so much more from the mechs... Again, more brightly glowing useless lights, giving away their position.

[Cpl_Facehugger]

Vaenier wrote...

Oh ya, robots. Their security droids are worse then our current day prototypes... I expected so much more from the mechs... Again, more brightly glowing useless lights, giving away their position.

I'd imagine that the crappiness of mechs comes as much from cultural reasons as it does technological ones. Nobody wants another Geth uprising on their hands, so they intentionally limit their security robots so that even if they do rebel, they can't do much more than walk towards you slowly like a killer C-3PO. Basically, in ME everyone has a vested interest in security robots being inferior to organic soldiers.  

I mean, look at Geth. They're fast and mobile and intelligent just like organic infantry. Only their flashlight heads are a strange design decision that I can't explain. 

Anyway, the biggest thing that seemed "low tech" to me in ME2 was the continued lack of cell phones or equivelents. For instance, why do I have to go meet Mouse when I should be able to call him up on my omnitool? It was a problem in ME1 too. Why track down Garrus across the damn citadel when I should just be able to go to C-Sec and ask "hey, can I have Garrus' communications number? I need to get in touch with him about the Saren case." 

[ramdog7]

Dragon scale armor is to expensive to give out to regular grunts

[Cpl_Facehugger]

ramdog7 wrote...

Dragon scale armor is to expensive to give out to regular grunts

Yeah. It's a huge pain in the butt getting enough scales. Fortunately there's one smith in Denerim who'll make you a suit of dragonbone plate if you can find the scales. 

Now, dragonskin armor, the real world product, is different. Its main problems are being heavier than competitors like interceptor, and having glue that tends to denature when exposed to heat and sweat. And what do you find in Iraq? Lots of heat and sweat. What's worse is that the dragonskin makers knew this, because the scientist who sold them the formula told them so, and rather than fix this, the dragonskin company through a hissyfit about how the government isn't supporting the troops. 

[AdamBoozer]

Dragonscale armor is not very good because they use glue to put the scales on there. That's why the U.S. didn't buy it. But if they can find a way around that then it will be great. Maybe molding it would be better.

[jbadm04]

Stephenc13 wrote...

You guys arent seeing what i mean,
Modern days, we have dragon scale body armor, which greatly minimizes recoil and damage from the bullet... 100 years from now, that technology will be 100 times better.

Kinetic barriers are of course tech for that time

Mass accelerator guns? we already have rail guns, 100 years from now, the technology would better improve.

http://tvtropes.org/...nsAreJustBetter

[sandman7431]

One legitimate critique is the monocromatic computer screens. They should use a holographic image system like Dead Space has.



Also if you look at the Army's XM25 smart weapon, they are already working on ways to make shells that can curve around abjects and strike a target. The aiming and shooting is a bit unimaginative in ME2 given the time-frame.

[Netzach]

It's like talking about the tech in battlestar galactica, star wars, or 2001. As it was said before, enjoy the history for what it is.

[Homey C-Dawg]

What i find interesting is how in the future of ME, no one seems to record things on video anymore. Everyone is recording stuff these days.

If I was Shepard, I would've whipped out my cell phone or something and hit REC when I talked to Saren/Sovereign so I could've shown to the Turian counselor and been like "dismiss this claim, b*tch!".

[Prophet of Rage]

WHERE MY GUNDAM AT, Y'ALL?