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[jpdipity]

Wittand25 wrote...

Why would Duncan appraoch Eamon, a man he never met, to take care of the child ? And why would Eamon or Maric agree to this ?
Not to mention that the whole Goldana story must be the stupidest attempt at covering up a royal bastard in the history of Thedas.

Maric went to Eamon, not Duncan.  Duncan just watched him from afar.

From the book: 
Maric: "I can have him raised away from the court...But people are bound to wonder who his mother is.  Loghain will want to know.  The child will almost certainly want to know...What will we tell him?"
Fiona: "Tell him nothing.  Let him think his mother human, and dead"
Duncan: "I'll watch him...I can do that without arousing suspicion, make sure he's doing well.  Keep him safe.  I can even bring you news, from time to time."

The main goal was not so much to hide a "royal bastard", but to protect  the child from the stigma of being half-elf and from the pressures of being an heir to the throne.  Fiona wanted the child to live free of the things that have caused pain and unhappiness in both of their lives.

The death of Goldanna's mother was likely a great opportunity for them to fabricate a story and say that the child's mother was the now dead human.  The story obviously satisfied Eamon, Alistair and Loghain.

Modifié par jpdipity, 11 mars 2010 - 05:52 .

[Wittand25]

jpdipity wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...

Why would Duncan appraoch Eamon, a man he never met, to take care of the child ? And why would Eamon or Maric agree to this ?
Not to mention that the whole Goldana story must be the stupidest attempt at covering up a royal bastard in the history of Thedas.

Maric went to Eamon, not Duncan.  Duncan just watched him from afar.

From the book: 
Maric: "I can have him raised away from the court...But people are bound to wonder who his mother is.  Loghain will want to know.  The child will almost certainly want to know...What will we tell him?"
Fiona: "Tell him nothing.  Let him think his mother human, and dead"
Duncan: "I'll watch him...I can do that without arousing suspicion, make sure he's doing well.  Keep him safe.  I can even bring you news, from time to time."

The main goal was not so much to hide a "royal bastard", but to protect  the child from the stigma of being half-elf and from the pressures of being an heir to the throne.  Fiona wanted the child to live free of the things that have caused pain and unhappiness in both of their lives.

The death of Goldanna's mother was likely a great opportunity for them to fabricate a story and say that the child's mother was the now dead human.  The story obviously satisfied Eamon, Alistair and Loghain.

On the next page: "Let the boy have his chance to be free of both their legacies."
Fiona´s son was never supposed to learn about his father either, yet Alistair and everybody else with some influence in ferelden was fully aware of him beeing Maric´s bastard.
Not to mention that Duncan´s promise to look after the child would be a bit pointless if he is raised by Maric´s brother in law.

Modifié par Wittand25, 11 mars 2010 - 06:09 .

[jpdipity]

I don't see any mention of hiding his father's identity - it only says that the child will never know his mother and think that he is unwanted. So, Maric never publicly acknowledges the child and now the child will be free of Maric's legacy simply by not being an heir with the pressures of royalty.

[BeautyoftheBeast]

Wittand25 wrote...

jpdipity wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...

Why would Duncan appraoch Eamon, a man he never met, to take care of the child ? And why would Eamon or Maric agree to this ?
Not to mention that the whole Goldana story must be the stupidest attempt at covering up a royal bastard in the history of Thedas.

Maric went to Eamon, not Duncan.  Duncan just watched him from afar.

From the book: 
Maric: "I can have him raised away from the court...But people are bound to wonder who his mother is.  Loghain will want to know.  The child will almost certainly want to know...What will we tell him?"
Fiona: "Tell him nothing.  Let him think his mother human, and dead"
Duncan: "I'll watch him...I can do that without arousing suspicion, make sure he's doing well.  Keep him safe.  I can even bring you news, from time to time."

The main goal was not so much to hide a "royal bastard", but to protect  the child from the stigma of being half-elf and from the pressures of being an heir to the throne.  Fiona wanted the child to live free of the things that have caused pain and unhappiness in both of their lives.

The death of Goldanna's mother was likely a great opportunity for them to fabricate a story and say that the child's mother was the now dead human.  The story obviously satisfied Eamon, Alistair and Loghain.

On the next page: "Let the boy have his chance to be free of both their legacies."
Fiona´s son was never supposed to learn about his father either, yet Alistair and everybody else with some influence in ferelden was fully aware of him beeing Maric´s bastard.

Now let me ask you a question- What is the chances of that being kept a secret forever? Honestly, Secrets are rarely secrets anymore. Eamon could have possibly known since he was placed in Eamon's care (he was Rowan's brother as it was) which could have led to questions being asked by Alistair (because it's only normal for a kid to want to know his parents) and Eamon elected to tell him the truth. And not everyone truly knows- Loghain didn't know, Isolde didn't know, and probably most of the Nobles didn't know. Just because a select few knew doesn't mean everyone in Fereldan knew.

It's a stalemate at that point. You can argue that Alistair's either Fiona's child or not, but looking at Maric throughout the books- his personality doesn't fit with the type of king who would just disregard another bastard child. He was way too caring about what happened to his kid. Also, Maric doesn't seem the type to strike up a fancy with a serving girl, and then leave her to die at childbirth. That's not his personality.

Now, unless there's a secret plot between Bioware about surprising everyone with another Maric baby, I seriously doubt that Maric had two children out of wedlock.

[Wittand25]

BeautyoftheBeast wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...

jpdipity wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...

Why would Duncan appraoch Eamon, a man he never met, to take care of the child ? And why would Eamon or Maric agree to this ?
Not to mention that the whole Goldana story must be the stupidest attempt at covering up a royal bastard in the history of Thedas.

Maric went to Eamon, not Duncan.  Duncan just watched him from afar.

From the book: 
Maric: "I can have him raised away from the court...But people are bound to wonder who his mother is.  Loghain will want to know.  The child will almost certainly want to know...What will we tell him?"
Fiona: "Tell him nothing.  Let him think his mother human, and dead"
Duncan: "I'll watch him...I can do that without arousing suspicion, make sure he's doing well.  Keep him safe.  I can even bring you news, from time to time."

The main goal was not so much to hide a "royal bastard", but to protect  the child from the stigma of being half-elf and from the pressures of being an heir to the throne.  Fiona wanted the child to live free of the things that have caused pain and unhappiness in both of their lives.

The death of Goldanna's mother was likely a great opportunity for them to fabricate a story and say that the child's mother was the now dead human.  The story obviously satisfied Eamon, Alistair and Loghain.

On the next page: "Let the boy have his chance to be free of both their legacies."
Fiona´s son was never supposed to learn about his father either, yet Alistair and everybody else with some influence in ferelden was fully aware of him beeing Maric´s bastard.

Now let me ask you a question- What is the chances of that being kept a secret forever? Honestly, Secrets are rarely secrets anymore. Eamon could have possibly known since he was placed in Eamon's care (he was Rowan's brother as it was) which could have led to questions being asked by Alistair (because it's only normal for a kid to want to know his parents) and Eamon elected to tell him the truth. And not everyone truly knows- Loghain didn't know, Isolde didn't know, and probably most of the Nobles didn't know. Just because a select few knew doesn't mean everyone in Fereldan knew.

It's a stalemate at that point. You can argue that Alistair's either Fiona's child or not, but looking at Maric throughout the books- his personality doesn't fit with the type of king who would just disregard another bastard child. He was way too caring about what happened to his kid. Also, Maric doesn't seem the type to strike up a fancy with a serving girl, and then leave her to die at childbirth. That's not his personality.

Now, unless there's a secret plot between Bioware about surprising everyone with another Maric baby, I seriously doubt that Maric had two children out of wedlock.

Katriel in the first book, his behavior towards the nobels involved in the murder of his mother, .. he is not really a knight in shining armor, he was not very caring about Cailan till the end of the Calling either.
Who says that he knew much about the dealings with Goldana and her mother in the first place ?

The way I think the story goes: Shortly before his arranged marriage with Rowan he had an one-night-stand with the maid. The pregnancy would have lead to an embaressment for both Rowan and a competition for the child she was pregant with, so it got arreanged that Eamon would take care for the maid and her child ( Maric might even never knew of Goldanas existance ) After the woman died in childbirth Eamon got rid of the troublemaking Goldana (ingame it is cleary showen that such an behavior is not out of character for him)
The child from the Callin is I suspect more intented as a tool for future books or games  to bring back the possible storylines to a canon ending that could be used in future titels of the franchise.

[SurelyForth]

Wittand25 wrote...

Katriel in the first book, his behavior towards the nobels involved in the murder of his mother, .. he is not really a knight in shining armor, he was not very caring about Cailan till the end of the Calling either.
Who says that he knew much about the dealings with Goldana and her mother in the first place ?

The way I think the story goes: Shortly before his arranged marriage with Rowan he had an one-night-stand with the maid. The pregnancy would have lead to an embaressment for both Rowan and a competition for the child she was pregant with, so it got arreanged that Eamon would take care for the maid and her child ( Maric might even never knew of Goldanas existance ) After the woman died in childbirth Eamon got rid of the troublemaking Goldana (ingame it is cleary showen that such an behavior is not out of character for him)
The child from the Callin is I suspect more intented as a tool for future books or games  to bring back the possible storylines to a canon ending that could be used in future titels of the franchise.

He's not a knight in shining armour, but he did love Katriel and Rowan (in different ways). He was a bad father to Cailan, because of Rowan's death, but it tore him apart. I think the fact that he can recongnize and admit that he wasn't being a good father, and his reaction when Fiona shows up with thier son, indicates that he's far from being callous.

I don't think there is any way that Alistair can be older than Cailan, because that would make him at least 30 and, given his characterization in the game, that would be The Saddest Thing.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 11 mars 2010 - 06:37 .

[Sandtigress]

Wittand25 wrote...

Katriel in the first book, his behavior towards the nobels involved in the murder of his mother, .. he is not really a knight in shining armor, he was not very caring about Cailan till the end of the Calling either.
Who says that he knew much about the dealings with Goldana and her mother in the first place ?

The way I think the story goes: Shortly before his arranged marriage with Rowan he had an one-night-stand with the maid. The pregnancy would have lead to an embaressment for both Rowan and a competition for the child she was pregant with, so it got arreanged that Eamon would take care for the maid and her child ( Maric might even never knew of Goldanas existance ) After the woman died in childbirth Eamon got rid of the troublemaking Goldana (ingame it is cleary showen that such an behavior is not out of character for him)
The child from the Callin is I suspect more intented as a tool for future books or games  to bring back the possible storylines to a canon ending that could be used in future titels of the franchise.

On the other hand...he was only with Katriel because he didn't realize that Rowan would mind - he never considered themselves more than just betrothed.  He offered to break things off with Katriel when he realized that it had hurt Rowan, remember.  Later on, I think he honestly fell in love with Rowan and at the least dedicated himself to her at the end of the Stolen Throne.  A one-night stand before their marriage feels too out of character, to me.

Maric never didn't care about Cailan - it killed him that he wasn't treating his son the way he deserved, but he couldn't help himself with how lost he felt about losing Rowan.  He left with the Wardens in part because he wasn't the father that Cailan deserved him to be.

If Alistair was indeed conceived pre-wedding, that makes him near thirty, which means he spent nearly 20 years training as a templar (we know that he was shipped off to the monestary at age 10), which just doesn't seem all that likely.

[BeautyoftheBeast]

Gaider's even said that Alistair is in his early 20s. I just wish I remember where I had seen it. So no cookies for you in thinking that Alistair is older.

And Maric regretted killing Katriel every day after he did it. That doesn't seem like a cold-blooded killer to me, it seems like a man who felt a betrayal so hard he made a brash decision before thinking of it (personally I was all too happy to see that chick die.)

He also had total justification for killing the Nobles who killed his mother. My HNF killed Howe for killing her parents- and I made her my sweetest, goody too shoes character to date- so why is that not too hard to fathom that he would want revenge? I know I would if I was in his position. That's not enough justification for him not giving a **** about having another bastard kid.

Modifié par BeautyoftheBeast, 11 mars 2010 - 06:45 .

[Wittand25]

Sandtigress wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...

Katriel in the first book, his behavior towards the nobels involved in the murder of his mother, .. he is not really a knight in shining armor, he was not very caring about Cailan till the end of the Calling either.
Who says that he knew much about the dealings with Goldana and her mother in the first place ?

The way I think the story goes: Shortly before his arranged marriage with Rowan he had an one-night-stand with the maid. The pregnancy would have lead to an embaressment for both Rowan and a competition for the child she was pregant with, so it got arreanged that Eamon would take care for the maid and her child ( Maric might even never knew of Goldanas existance ) After the woman died in childbirth Eamon got rid of the troublemaking Goldana (ingame it is cleary showen that such an behavior is not out of character for him)
The child from the Callin is I suspect more intented as a tool for future books or games  to bring back the possible storylines to a canon ending that could be used in future titels of the franchise.

On the other hand...he was only with Katriel because he didn't realize that Rowan would mind - he never considered themselves more than just betrothed.  He offered to break things off with Katriel when he realized that it had hurt Rowan, remember.  Later on, I think he honestly fell in love with Rowan and at the least dedicated himself to her at the end of the Stolen Throne.  A one-night stand before their marriage feels too out of character, to me.

Maric never didn't care about Cailan - it killed him that he wasn't treating his son the way he deserved, but he couldn't help himself with how lost he felt about losing Rowan.  He left with the Wardens in part because he wasn't the father that Cailan deserved him to be.

If Alistair was indeed conceived pre-wedding, that makes him near thirty, which means he spent nearly 20 years training as a templar (we know that he was shipped off to the monestary at age 10), which just doesn't seem all that likely.

25-27 Maric and Rowan married in the year two or three the game takes place in the year 30, and it is not clear how much time was between Alistair´s recrutment and his joining.

[SurelyForth]

Wittand25 wrote...



25-27 Maric and Rowan married in the year two or three the game takes place in the year 30, and it is not clear how much time was between Alistair´s recrutment and his joining.

Alistair says that he was recruited six months before Ostagar. His DA wiki piece (here)makes it pretty clear that Alistair is fairly young (he's referred to as such at least three times and is called out for not being as experienced as the other fighters at the tournament).

Modifié par SurelyForth, 11 mars 2010 - 07:02 .

[Wittand25]

SurelyForth wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...



25-27 Maric and Rowan married in the year two or three the game takes place in the year 30, and it is not clear how much time was between Alistair´s recrutment and his joining.

Alistair says that he was recruited six months before Ostagar. His DA wiki piece (here)makes it pretty clear that Alistair is fairly young (he's referred to as such at least three times and is called out for not being as experienced as the other fighters at the tournament).

He joined six months before Ostagar, after the joining of Alistair ( and the others who joined with him ) Duncan still had the time to travel to Denerim for Daveth, Highever for Jory and to wherever he picked up the pc. Stressing that Alistair is young in the wiki page you linked is meaningless unless you know how old the more expierienced fighters were, a twentysomething admits thirtysomethings is considert young afterall.

[Marso40]

If Alistair is indeed Fiona's child, I wonder whether or not he was born with some vestige of the taint. Fiona was a Grey Warden, and it makes sense that Alistair would have a higher than normal chance of surviving the joining.



As to the age issue, I think it's clear he is Cailan's younger sibling. In RTO Eamon's note mentions that Anora is 30-something and still hasn't produced an heir, and apparently she and Cailan were raised together. I know that doesn't pin down Cailan's age in any meaningful way, but I think he is definitely older than Alistair.

[SurelyForth]

Wittand25 wrote...


He joined six months before Ostagar, after the joining of Alistair ( and the others who joined with him ) Duncan still had the time to travel to Denerim for Daveth, Highever for Jory and to wherever he picked up the pc. Stressing that Alistair is young in the wiki page you linked is meaningless unless you know how old the more expierienced fighters were, a twentysomething admits thirtysomethings is considert young afterall.

So Alistair is lying about when he was recruited? If his tournament was in Denerim (which it probably was, since it was overseen by the Knight-Commander of Denerim) all Duncan has to do is travel to Highever and wherever he recruits the PC.

If Alistair was in his late 20's/early 30's, I don't think he would be referred to as "a young initiate" unless the apprenticeship for templars is incredibly long (which doesn't make sense when you consider that it would be far more efficient for the Chantry to get their templars avowed and addicted as young as possible).

Modifié par SurelyForth, 11 mars 2010 - 07:32 .

[Wittand25]

SurelyForth wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...


He joined six months before Ostagar, after the joining of Alistair ( and the others who joined with him ) Duncan still had the time to travel to Denerim for Daveth, Highever for Jory and to wherever he picked up the pc. Stressing that Alistair is young in the wiki page you linked is meaningless unless you know how old the more expierienced fighters were, a twentysomething admits thirtysomethings is considert young afterall.

So Alistair is lying about when he was recruited? If his tournament was in Denerim (which it probably was, since it was overseen by the Knight-Commander of Denerim) all Duncan has to do is travel to Highever and wherever he recruits the PC.

If Alistair was in his late 20's/early 30's, I don't think he would be referred to as "a young initiate" unless the apprenticeship for templars is incredibly long (which doesn't make sense when you consider that it would be far more efficient for the Chantry to get their templars avowed and addicted as young as possible).

It is not uncommon to wait till an initiate is in his/her twenties to allow them to take the final and binding vows. If Duncan got Daveth and Alistair at the same visit of Denerim, why was Alistair in the group that joined six month ago and Daveth had to wait several months for his joining at Ostagar ? And Alistair was old enough to participate as guard in an Harrowing an task that definatly is not handed out to teenagers.
I never claimed that he was in his thirties anyway I said mid to late twenties.

[SurelyForth]

Wittand25 wrote...

[It is not uncommon to wait till an initiate is in his/her twenties to allow them to take the final and binding vows. If Duncan got Daveth and Alistair at the same visit of Denerim, why was Alistair in the group that joined six month ago and Daveth had to wait several months for his joining at Ostagar ? And Alistair was old enough to participate as guard in an Harrowing an task that definatly is not handed out to teenagers.

I never claimed that he was in his thirties anyway I said mid to late twenties.

The Warden compound is in Denerim. Duncan could have gotten Daveth at any point between Alistair's joining and whenever he went to get Jory (or even after Jory, if Duncan ran back to Denerim before setting out for the PC).

Having initiates at a Harrowing is more than likely a good "hands on" training, since it's a highly controlled and well-supervised environment. And, if Alistair is older than Cailan, he would have to be close to 30.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 11 mars 2010 - 07:59 .

[BeautyoftheBeast]

Wittand25 wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...


He joined six months before Ostagar, after the joining of Alistair ( and the others who joined with him ) Duncan still had the time to travel to Denerim for Daveth, Highever for Jory and to wherever he picked up the pc. Stressing that Alistair is young in the wiki page you linked is meaningless unless you know how old the more expierienced fighters were, a twentysomething admits thirtysomethings is considert young afterall.

So Alistair is lying about when he was recruited? If his tournament was in Denerim (which it probably was, since it was overseen by the Knight-Commander of Denerim) all Duncan has to do is travel to Highever and wherever he recruits the PC.

If Alistair was in his late 20's/early 30's, I don't think he would be referred to as "a young initiate" unless the apprenticeship for templars is incredibly long (which doesn't make sense when you consider that it would be far more efficient for the Chantry to get their templars avowed and addicted as young as possible).

It is not uncommon to wait till an initiate is in his/her twenties to allow them to take the final and binding vows. If Duncan got Daveth and Alistair at the same visit of Denerim, why was Alistair in the group that joined six month ago and Daveth had to wait several months for his joining at Ostagar ? And Alistair was old enough to participate as guard in an Harrowing an task that definatly is not handed out to teenagers.
I never claimed that he was in his thirties anyway I said mid to late twenties.

In that case, he would have to be in his late, late twenties because Cailan (in the note during RTO) is near thirty and Anora was about to turn thirty. It still doesn't jive.

[Wittand25]

SurelyForth wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...

[It is not uncommon to wait till an initiate is in his/her twenties to allow them to take the final and binding vows. If Duncan got Daveth and Alistair at the same visit of Denerim, why was Alistair in the group that joined six month ago and Daveth had to wait several months for his joining at Ostagar ? And Alistair was old enough to participate as guard in an Harrowing an task that definatly is not handed out to teenagers.

I never claimed that he was in his thirties anyway I said mid to late twenties.

The Warden compound is in Denerim. Duncan could have gotten Daveth at any point between Alistair's joining and whenever he went to get Jory (or even after Jory, if Duncan ran back to Denerim before setting out for the PC).

Having initiates at a Harrowing is more than likely a good "hands on" training, since it's a highly controlled and well-supervised environment. And, if Alistair is older than Cailan, he would have to be close to 30.

Why Cailan is something between 25 and 27, Alistair can just a month older than him without any problem they share the father and not the mother afterall.

[nos_astra]

Cailan can't be near 30. The Calling is set in 9:10. DG confirmed that Cailan is 5 years old at that point, that would make him 25 at DAO (9:30). Anora is near 30 - that could be anything above 27. I believe it was confirmed that she's older than Cailan? Rowan died to years prior to 'The Calling' (9:08).

It is reasonable to assume that Alistair is the younger brother. That makes him between 20 and 25.
Alistair is either born between 9:05 and 9:08 or around 9:10.

Modifié par klarabella, 11 mars 2010 - 08:09 .

[Xandurpein]

Wittand25 wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...

[It is not uncommon to wait till an initiate is in his/her twenties to allow them to take the final and binding vows. If Duncan got Daveth and Alistair at the same visit of Denerim, why was Alistair in the group that joined six month ago and Daveth had to wait several months for his joining at Ostagar ? And Alistair was old enough to participate as guard in an Harrowing an task that definatly is not handed out to teenagers.

I never claimed that he was in his thirties anyway I said mid to late twenties.

The Warden compound is in Denerim. Duncan could have gotten Daveth at any point between Alistair's joining and whenever he went to get Jory (or even after Jory, if Duncan ran back to Denerim before setting out for the PC).

Having initiates at a Harrowing is more than likely a good "hands on" training, since it's a highly controlled and well-supervised environment. And, if Alistair is older than Cailan, he would have to be close to 30.

Why Cailan is something between 25 and 27, Alistair can just a month older than him without any problem they share the father and not the mother afterall.

Not if Fiona is Alistairs mother. That doesn't fit the story in the books.

[Wittand25]

BeautyoftheBeast wrote...

In that case, he would have to be in his late, late twenties because Cailan (in the note during RTO) is near thirty and Anora was about to turn thirty. It still doesn't jive.

Eamon is generous with the age of Anora in his note. The note was written in the year 30 but Anora can not be born before the year 3 (possibly 2 but that would be a rather thight fit).
The writers were vage on purpose concerning all of the dates both in the books and the game so there is some space either way, but having Alistair beeing Fiona´s son does not make much sense with the Goldana quest and all the info both Alistair and Eamon give the player.

[kateri_t]

I would be inclined to think Fiona was his mother due to the circumstantial evidence in The Calling, but two things bother me about that:

1.) I'm sure it's mentioned that Alistair was born while Rowan was still alive, though just now I can't recall where - how reliable is this?

2.) If the baby Goldanna's mother had was NOT Maric's, why on earth would Goldanna be convinced that it was? She says that she knew at the time that "the baby was the king's."



Anyone want to speculate? I could put it down to inconsistencies in the writing, but since DG wrote Alistair's personal quest, and probably most of the Redcliffe-related dialogue, I doubt the inconsistency would escape him. So, hmm. Dunno.

[LOST_PriNcEsS_]

I replayed the ending of the game last night, at Eamon's place around the Landsmeet. Eamon talks about Anora/Calian and says something to the effect of how they were promised to each other, Cailan was an infant and Anora was in her "swaddling clothes," and I said to myself "Anora is older!?"

So there's my 2 cents.

Modifié par LOST_PriNcEsS_, 11 mars 2010 - 09:29 .

[SurelyForth]

kateri_t wrote...

I would be inclined to think Fiona was his mother due to the circumstantial evidence in The Calling, but two things bother me about that:
1.) I'm sure it's mentioned that Alistair was born while Rowan was still alive, though just now I can't recall where - how reliable is this?
2.) If the baby Goldanna's mother had was NOT Maric's, why on earth would Goldanna be convinced that it was? She says that she knew at the time that "the baby was the king's."

Anyone want to speculate? I could put it down to inconsistencies in the writing, but since DG wrote Alistair's personal quest, and probably most of the Redcliffe-related dialogue, I doubt the inconsistency would escape him. So, hmm. Dunno.

1. Alistair's codex says that Eamon raised Alistair to protect him from Rowan, and Alistair will say that "Eamon's sister was the woman that my father cheated on to make me." (or something). Loghain also says that Maric did not acknowledge Alistair out of respect for Rowan.

Mental gymnastics: Rowan died a few years before Fiona's baby was born. However, if Loghain never saw Alistair as a child, it would be fairly easy for Eamon and Maric to lie to misdirect Alistair and Loghain with the line about Rowan (this, of course, would require Alistair to not know exactly how old he is. As much as I love Alistair, I can see this being a pretty easy bit of business). The purpose of such a story is to keep Fiona, the Orlesian elven mage, as far off the list of potential bastard mothers as possible, since the kingdom might wig out over it, she wants the baby to be raised human and Loghain would freak if he knew the truth.

2. Goldanna was very young when her mother died, so she may have heard rumors or a passing comment about the king's baby and assumed that it was her mother's. Or, if Goldanna's mother was alive when Alistair was brought to Redcliffe, then Eamon may have been planning on using her as a wet nurse or nanny and she may have mentioned taking care of the king's baby, which could have confused Goldanna as well.

This is all such rampant speculation, though. I think it's like Klarabella said earlier, the book is retconning the game information.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 11 mars 2010 - 09:30 .

[kateri_t]

I thank you for your fine rampant speculation!

[Emerald Melios]

Xandurpein wrote...

So... if Alistair is not Fiona's then there is one more child of Maric's hidden away somewhere. Interesting.

Ten sovereigns says it is Anders.